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[quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1355609884' post='1900653'] with so many of these posts appearing, it seems to me that us bassists are a sensible lot who put up with loads of sh*t from others [/quote] Or they're precious control freaks who want everything done their way.

I agee to a certain extent. CDs don't cost a lot. The OP was describing the situation where the audience dissapears before you've even played a note. If you want an audience you need to create a buzz. It's not simple but there are ways. What about pretty girls giving out or selling CDs and talking up the band. I mean if you've got pretty girls giving out CDs then you must be doing something right? I just think it's no good moaning that your potential audience is dissapearing before you've even played a note if you're not interacting with them from the moment they walk in the door. TBH I've seen bands who turn up, soundcheck and then hide in the back room and disappear as soon as they've finished, and I've seen bands who are at the door talking to potential fans as they come in and hanging around afterwards. Which bands get the most fans? If you're the type of band who don't want and don't care about having an audience then the first route is the way to go. BUT I'm yet to meet anyone who purposely goes out to play to an empty room. Just to be clear we are talking about a special situation "multi-band events" and you need to employ special tactics.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1355366526' post='1897519'] but your audience needs to be larger than that other band or bands who may play on the same bill... substantially larger... so what does it matter whther they stay or not? [/quote] If people leave before you play they don't get exposed to your music and you lose potential new fans. My take on this would be to give out flyers before you play that can be exchanged for goodies (CDs, etc) after you have played. If they leave after your first song, then they don't like you and wouldn't want a CD and you've not lost anything. You then get a strong message if people start leaving during your set or don't pick up a CD after you play.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1355358973' post='1897489'] all very true, but as i said it depends on what you want out of it. not everyone approaches bands in the same way. [/quote] I don't understand why anyone would be in a band, go to the effort of finding a venue or promoter to put on a gig, cart loads of stuff to a gig, do loads of practicing and get music honed with the aim of playing to an empty room. They may as well just get a rehearsal space. There are only three reasons I can see for playing in a band. 1. Entertain an audience. 2. Entertain yourself. 3. Further yourself as a musicain by playing with others. If you're not interested in no. 1, then what's the point in stepping outside the rehearsal room?

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1355356142' post='1897465'] i'd day primarily it's to entertain the audience ! i was going to type a big reply here but when it comes down to it there are as many reasons why people are in bands as there are people. the most i made from any gig in the 25 years i've played in originals bands would struggle to tickle £50, and the most i've played to (captive audiences aside) is ~150. i'm happy with that. i've made some people very happy with my music. rock on ! [/quote] Well yes, if you don't entain the audience they won't stay and won't bring their friends next time. But without the audience there is no one to entertain. So primarily you need an audience and you need to grow and widen that audience because tastes change and your music changes. Fans drift away and new fans come.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355354849' post='1897443'] That's not really my point at all but hey what the heck who cares [/quote] The OP was, or seemed to be, saying that bands and other band's fans weren't staying to listen to other bands play. The point I'm making is what is the point in travelling to a far off location, hoping there will be a few people come to see your band, if it's not to expose new people to your music, and get them to bring their friends? If you're just going to play to the same people who follow you round each time what is the point of playing non local gigs? What am I missing?

Just down a bit. Near Colchester.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355328932' post='1897023'] Some people would rather play their own music for free to a handful of people than a packed out venue bashing out mustang sally, if they did not we would have no new bands to do covers of at functions, not even sex on fire! [/quote] The object of playing gigs is to get exposure for your music to a new audience and grow your fan base. If you just want to play to your mates then stay local and do 3 or 4 gigs a year. It's a lot easier to retain that kind of audience as they don't have to travel and you're not overplaying your set. Learning your trade doing functions or playing covers in a pub band is a good foundation for any musician. It would be better if there was an MC who decided how much longer you play. Start at 20mins and if the audience like it add 10mins at a time. If the audience start to drift then it's everyone off the stage and next band on. I've been played at too many times. If the audience don't like your music, you won't win them over by blasting your music at them and shouting at them. If people don't like your music you need to ask them why and change, there's far too much self indulgent wailing out there. A lot of it on x-factor...

Unless it's a covers band playing well known good music, 2 hours of live music is about all most people can take. Even at festivals there is something else to do or see. If you're doing an outdoor gig and the weather is nice people will sit on the outskirts and talk etc. I think 3 bands each playing 30mins is enough. I've been to gigs to see a friend's band and stayed to watch the next band (who were dire). I would have left and not waited for the last band if I hadn't known the second band were only on for 30mins. However they overstayed their welcome and at 45mins I was ready to leave.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1355250818' post='1895981'] Anything to stop him doing the enigmatic, philosophical gazing over the horizon shots that he overworks - and was started by Neil Oliver along with striding across wildernesses with a pulling out helicopter shot. Brian Cox was talking about such images recently and said he was asked by a kid once what he was looking for. [/quote] Hopefully his answer was "No idea, ask the director." He's been on proper programs as well though and makes a good presenter for a keyboard player. Brian May comes across as a bit geeky, like one of those musos...

Depends on the drummer. If he is good with eye contact then on the right of him makes him look out to the audience more. I've played with drummers who permanatly look at their hi-hat and you can't get any eye contact. But then they're usually a lost case anyway. I don't mind on a personal level though.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1355073295' post='1893668'] Well this is one of those things that we just don't know. [/quote] Very good RIP - Great Xylophone player.

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1355137405' post='1894420'] So I watched the X-Factor final last night. It wasn't predicatably won by the boy band, or the crooner, or the gospel singer, but by someone who seemed to have an air of credibility about him - James Arthur. For all the poo-pooing of the X-Factor, this year it seems to have been decided on actual talent. Yeah I know some of you think the show is an omen of humankind's pending descent to hell in a handcart... but this year I think it's actually demonstrated that it's not always a format based solely on haircuts and sh1t-eating grins. Could that - dare I say - even be considered a positive contribution to music? A role model for young 'uns to follow? Nah, thought not. Make room in the handcart, will ya, I want to get comfy [/quote] I turned it over to Predators on Saturday night. The sight of a grown man with tattoos sitting in a bedsit crying is not really that entertaining for me. Far be it for me to say that was probably what clinched it for him. I am aware of the irony that I switched over to Predators in search of something more 'entertaining'.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1355067783' post='1893576'] +1, particularly the 'can my mate have a go on your bass?' scenario. (No, feck off out of it). [/quote] What? Even if he used to be in a band who were really good and used to do tours and stuff?

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1354992412' post='1892801'] This is exactly how the end of Capitalism will come about . [/quote] I suspect you are right. I suppose technically I didn't buy it, I was given it.

How odd. I have actually just bought some lettuce. When I got to the cashier there was no bar code, she couldn't find it in her list either and gave it to me for free. Life is weird.

[quote name='Seb_C' timestamp='1354887564' post='1891639'] Hendrix playing bass is always interesting because you can sort of tell it's a guitarist playing bass. Quite busy, not as tight as you would expect from a top class bassist (i.e. someone who was as good at bass as Jimi was at guitar). Spanish Castle Magic is another example of this. [/quote] Yes, that's what was confusing. According to the SOS link above he wasn't happy with the either piano fill or a traditional bass line. The Live Isle of Wight track is just not happening for me.

Cheers guys. I'll stop slaving over trying to cop JImmi's licks then. Just listened to live at Isle of Wight. I'm not that impressed will Billy Cox' line there but it's given me a few ideas.

Just trying to learn this. It's tricky! Hendrix played on the original. I'm not sure what I'm going to end up playing. Here's some gen on the original recording process: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov05/articles/classictracks.htm

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1354748135' post='1890075'] My sister works for Asda, and she said "Whoops" means they have ordered too many and they can't sell them, or aren't selling fast enough. Still, even at 37p, i wouldn't buy it, unless it was a joke. songs for ME nan? songs for [b][i]ME[/i][/b] nan? the poor chap can't even proofread the 4 words on his album cover, what are the chances he can sing? maybe he sings them all in a broad northern English accent? in which case, it would be a joke [/quote] Seriously? That's a very ironic post.

I looked at your FB page too. In my opinion you have too many photos that don't say anything. You need to have a good spring clean so that only your best action shots and group portraits are up. Delete all the old profile and cover photos. Good luck.

Depends what type of gigs you are looking for. Pub gigs? Get a demo and a basic video done, nothing fancy, just video a rehearsal from a tripod. Just needs to demonstrate that you can play. Then go knocking with it on a CD.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1354460220' post='1886148'] ... Barlow has a reasonable voice, so would expect more from him, justabout. ... [/quote] I'm really confused about Barlow. One moment he saying its a singing contest, the next he's saying it's not a singing contest, they're looking for the x-factor. If the judges don't actually know what they're judging on what's the point.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1354459736' post='1886145'] ... That's why in Britain today, there will be 10 million people wearing their SuperDry outfit in their magnolia homes with the clip framed Athena poster of a hunk with a baby above the mantlepiece, copy of Fifty Shades of Whatever on the Ikea coffee table, watching the X Factor, while eating fried chicken from a bucket, and looking forward spinning their Adele CD afterwards. Doesn't make them 'dumb' or worthy of hubristic criticism does it? [/quote] OI! Have you been peeking through my net curtains! You've missed my tattoos and Mondeo off your list there.

[quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1354457221' post='1886111'] It's a TV programme. It's scripted, edited, acted and produced in the same way as Coronation street, On the buses, or the News at ten. I'm sure they do what they need to in order to stay on the right side of the law as far as people paying to vote is concerned, but it's just an entertainment show for idiots. Do people really think the whole thing was put together in order to discover talent? [/quote] Are you seriously comparing X-factor to that high quality comedy On the Buses. Have you even seen the X-factor? Reg Varney would wipe the floor with most of the contestants. News at 10? Now don't get be started.....