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-AF5B-40FE-8F2C-E5C9B3A9760A.heicA recent acquisition means that I have to part with this excellent Barefaced speaker cabinet. As you are looking, you probably know the capabilities of these amazing cabs but the basics are: 10" driver; 250 watts @ 8 ohms (up to 500 clean); weight 7.5 kg; max SPL 119DB; only 15" (38CM) high. The full specs and general write up can be found here: https://barefacedbass.com/product-range/one10.htm. This cabinet has been used for practice in my studio, the odd band rehearsal and two gigs only. It is in excellent condition IMO. I can only find one small ding that has not gone through the tolex. I noticed one small white mark in one of the photos and a dark patch which I will clean off before handover. There are a couple of light abrasions on the metal corner plates where they have done their job. The tolex has not peeled, unlike many other examples but you can see the join between the sheets of tolex in some places: I don't know whether this is the early signs but so far, so good. It has never been subjected to anything like 250 watts, as I have used it with a Warwick Gnome running at no more than 1/4 volume (0.25 x 130 watts @ 8 ohms). Incidentally I am selling that as well if you are interested (they make an excellent and powerful little rig together). The One10 is plenty loud enough at small amp volumes due to its high sensitivity. The Roqsolid cover is the foam padded type and has done its job well. It is a little dusty in places but there are no rips, or pulls and the seams are all intact. The current price of the One10 is £449 and the lead time is 4-6 weeks. The Roqsolid cover costs £61 posted and takes about 3 weeks. Save yourself 40% off the new price and get them without having to wait over a month. You are welcome to try and buy in Fakenham, Norfolk. I can meet up within about 50 miles for a handover. I have the original box and can post/courier at buyers expense to the UK only. As an illustration, Parcel Force express24 would be about £20 to UK mainland with full insurance. Other couriers would be a bit more I suspect. That would be according to your preference. If you are interested in buying both the One10 and Gnome, I can do a package deal discount. PM me to discuss. I can accept a bank transfer, PayPal, or cash on collection/handover. I am not looking for trades on this. Thanks for looking. -
Yes, I’m going to take it easy, despite what Alex advises. I am hoping lock washers, or Loctite will make up for less torque. I’ll post the results when I have road tested my fix for a while.
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I’ve had an email exchange with Alex at BF and he said he wasn’t aware of woofers coming loose. If it was happening it was rare, so I guess they are still using the same fixings. He said to really put a lot of torque on the retaining bolts, making sure to use a good PZ2 screwdriver (they use torque drivers at the factory). I asked why they didn’t use Allen bolts and he said they had looked into it but it cost a lot more and slowed down assembly speed. He didn’t comment on my suggestion to use lock washers, or Loctite. He also said that they could sell me replacement fixings, if the ones on my cab are worn. I think I might look into replacing the bolts with stainless Allen bolts and using a drop of Loctite for good measure.
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@DGBassInteresting. I wonder if this is a general BF issue, or just with a particular series/build time. Unfortunately, the serial number is missing from my Two10, because it was converted to an S (4-12 ohm switch) at some stage, so I can’t tell if it was made around the same time as your cab. I might contact BF to find out if they came up with a fix. I’m thinking spring washers, or some kind of Nyloc captive nut.
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I had terrible farting noises at certain frequencies ( mostly B on the E string) from my BF Two10 shortly after I bought it secondhand. Thought I had been sold a pup but my local luthier/amp technician helped me track it down to a loose mounting bolt on one of the speakers. It had worked its way so far loose that the captive nut had come free from the back of the baffle board and when I turned up the volume, the rim of the speaker was vibrating against the board, making a terrible farting noise. We had to remove the speaker and relocate the loose captive nut on the board (fortunately it hadn’t chewed up the wood yet). We then refitted it and made sure all the bolts on both speakers were nice and tight. Quite a few of them were quite loose. It now sounds absolutely fine. I now tighten the nuts every couple of months to make sure it doesn’t happen again. I don’t know whether this is a specific BF issue: they mount the speakers from the front, rather than the back of the board but the retaining bolts do seem to loosen quite quickly. When I can raise the energy, I’m going to take each bolt out in turn and put Loctite on when I refit them.
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That’s really ingenious! Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, being a bit impulsive, I’ve already pulled the trigger on a combo, still I can always return it, if it is not a significant improvement.
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Thank you for the explanation. I did play with the EQ to try and resolve the perceived tonal change but without much success. Good to know what is going on. I also experimented with my other cabs: a BF Two10 and an Orange OBC112. The effect on the tone was similar with the Two10 but not as extreme with the OBC112, which is what drew me to conclude the port position had something to do with the perceived tonal changes on a stand. Just shows that knowing the theory can be more use than trial and error!
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Well, I’ve given the Markbass Tilt Stand a couple of tries and I have decided it’s not working for me and the BF One10. It put the cab in a great wedge monitor style position but all coupling between the cab and the floor was lost. This seemed to get rid of a large chunk of bass and make the mids very prominent. I think this would be less of a problem with a front ported cab but the One10 has the port on the bottom in portrait mode, so it just vented into the air rather than deflecting off the floor. I can see the tilt stand would work very well with Markbass cabs and combos in that fuzzy felt/carpet stuff, as they are front ported. Anyway, the Tilt Stand will be listed shortly, if anybody is interested. Ditto the One10, as I have decided to go for a smallish tilt combo. I’ll miss the One10 but needs must. Next IEMs!
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Mensinger Cazpar 5 - any decent offer it’s yours. - *SOLD*
Obrienp replied to Black Coffee's topic in Basses For Sale
Is it this one: ? In which case, there is a pretty good description in the above listing, including woods. Fortunately for my GAS, NI is a long way away. Surprised this hasn’t gone yet TBH. GLWTS. -
Looks like a much more expensive take on the Ibanez Mezzo. Is it that much better I wonder? They are advertising them on the Bass Direct website in 4 and 5 string versions. Anybody got the spare cash to find out how good they are? 😀
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Certainly worth a go. Thanks for the idea.
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I’m using a Warwick Gnome with this set up, so even more danger of it sliding off. It’s going to have to go on the ground but in cramped playing conditions there is a real danger of it getting trampled on. I have visions of a jack plug breaking off in the socket (I have had that happen with a pedal before), or worse the speaker socket on the amp getting mangled. I even considered an Ashdown Ant for the pedal board but over £300, for an amp with the same capabilities as my Warwick that cost half the price, seems excessive. WRT your drink: one of those drink holders that clips on a mic stand?
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Thanks for the suggestion. Similar stands are available in the UK. I went down the MB tilt stand route because it was half the price and folds flat but I may yet have to put out the extra cash on one like you suggest.
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The Markbass Tilt Stand arrived today. A quick try with the BF One10 at low volume suggested it might just work. I am not sure it would with a heavier cabinet, at high volume, without the Velcro attaching to the cabinet but the One10 is so light that it doesn’t seem to want to slide 🤞. It rests on the back edge of the cabinet, so I will put the whole assembly on my Auralex isolation pad, to stop any rattles. There is no way the amp head will stay on top of the cabinet given the angle of tilt. Trouble is it looks very vulnerable on the floor, especially if we are playing in cramped conditions. Perhaps I will have to put the head on my peddle board (Warwick Gnome) and use a long speaker lead: does that cause drop off, or latency issues? Next task is to sort IEMs 😳.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll give that a go if the Markbass stand doesn’t do the job.
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Doesn’t sound as though it is going to be very successful. Perhaps I should have hung onto the £35 and put it towards a kickback combo like the MB Marcus Miller 2 x 10 but whether it would operate well at such low volumes is anybody’s guess. I find BF cabs are sensitive enough to function OK even at those low volumes. I don’t know MB stuff well enough to know if it will do the same.
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Don’t apologise: it’s great you put the thread together and I guess it reflects your journey. I was hoping there was an easy solution; e.g. somebody would pop and say spend the £1200 on the Sennheiser system (plus £450 a pop for the extra 2 receivers) and you will be laughing but I suspect it is not that easy. We never have the luxury of a big stage but I am not sure I could manage a trailing lead these days, so wireless is definitely favourite. I did buy a super cheap 3 receiver set from G4M last year, to try with my other band but the guitarist/vocalist prefers a wedge monitor (mine as it happens) and the other two refused to wear them after the first try out. At least it means we have something to try out with this band, without spending more cash but I am certain the G4M system is not good enough to be “the answer”.
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Thanks for the heads up: I don’t recall seeing that in the blurb about it. TBH I was after that AER tilt stand, which is much cheaper but I could only find it at Thomann with £10 shipping, so went for the Markbass version from Rich Tone Music. I am surprised there are not loads of cheap knockoffs available but not in the UK anyway. I read somewhere that the Markbass version has metal plates in it, so I could use it with my Two10 as well, without worrying about rigidity but it sound like I will need to stick Velcro all over the cabs. If it is anything like my experiences with pedal boards, it will peel off the first time I separate cab from stand ☹️. I will just have to hope I find a good IEM solution and won’t have to worry about hearing my cab.
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This is very topical for me as one of the bands I play in is going very low volume on stage and letting the PA do the work: the rhythm guitarist/vocalist has developed tinnitus. Fortunately we can do this because the drummer uses an electronic kit. We did a gig on Friday evening using this low volume approach but it was a very cramped stage. I was standing right against the BF One10 cab I was using and couldn’t get on axes for the nearest wedge monitor because of where the lead guitarist had to stand. I couldn’t hear myself (especially anything on the D and G strings), or the rhythm guitar all evening. Most of the gigs we play are equally cramped, so it is a problem we need to fix. I’ve just ordered one of those Markbass Tilt System folding cabinet wedges, as a cheap alternative to buying a kickback cab/combo. I am hoping having the cabinet at an angle will help me hear myself, even when up close but I foresee issues with the amp head sliding off during the gig. I am sure Velcro or similar can sort that. However, all that is probably tinkering at the margins and the best way to solve this is to go down the IEM route. I posted about this in How Was Your Gig Last Night thread and was directed to the IEM topic linked by Phil Starr above. Agh! There is so much of it and there are so many conflicting opinions! A hard wired IEM system might work for the drummer but the rest of us have already got rid of guitar leads (partly to have fewer trip hazards on cramped stages). We are inclined towards a wireless system but there seem to be so many pitfalls and this gear isn’t cheap. It looks like it could be easy to make a very expensive mistake! Sorry for the word vom but sorting this problem doesn’t seem easy!
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Strange one on Friday evening: doing a favour for the committee of the Village Hall where two of the band live. We provided music for their pub night. Trouble was it had to be at a volume that would allow people to chat over a drink. Fortunately the drummer in this band uses an electronic kit, so we can turn the drums down! Still it is really weird playing at such a low volume, we couldn’t get any energy into the first set. Also a very small stage, so I had to stand right up against the BF One10 I used, with a Warwick Gnome running with the master hardly on at all. Everything DI into the hall’s tiny Yamaha Stage Pass PA (8” speakers I think). I couldn’t get close enough to my monitor because of where the lead guitarist had to stand, so I couldn’t hear myself, or the rhythm guitarist most of the evening. Fortunately, for the second set the dancing faction among the punters got their way and we were able to turn up a bit. Our energy levels went up and they repaid us by dancing for most of the set. Women of a certain age are great in an audience: they just want to have some fun and they don’t give a toss what anybody thinks of their dancing😀. We were doing this for free but it turned out that somebody had passed round a bucket (not to throw up into) and people had been pretty generous with their donations. It easily covered fuel costs and a couple of drinks each for the four of us. After the gig, the rhythm guitarist/vocalist, who is suffering with tinnitus, said it was really great playing at that stage volume and we should do it all the time 😱! We are now considering a wireless IEM system. Any advice/experience gratefully received.
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Mensinger Cazpar 5 - any decent offer it’s yours. - *SOLD*
Obrienp replied to Black Coffee's topic in Basses For Sale
Close to a straight string pull though. Reminds me a bit of the Ibanez Affirma’s headstock, in concept, if not appearance. I’m telling myself not to look at this but it’s so pretty! GLWTS! -
The Short Scale Bass Appreciation Society!
Obrienp replied to Baloney Balderdash's topic in Bass Guitars
Yep and I just saw an Epiphone press release about the Newport and El Capitaine introduction. It goes on about Epiphone having been at the forefront of innovation for 150 years, blah, blah….. now releasing new models the Newport and El Capitaine J200 basses. Innovation seems to mean re-releasing a model from the 1960s! Perhaps they meant the El Capitaine but a bass version of an existing jumbo acoustic (copy) doesn’t seem that innovative either. Anyway the Newport looks fun and if the neck wasn’t so wide I might be interested. Good to have another affordable short scale on the market anyway. -
The Short Scale Bass Appreciation Society!
Obrienp replied to Baloney Balderdash's topic in Bass Guitars
I agree with you. It looks like one of those cheapo unfinished necks you can buy on fleaBay with the paddle headstocks! -
The Short Scale Bass Appreciation Society!
Obrienp replied to Baloney Balderdash's topic in Bass Guitars
I would go for the DiMarzio Model One, or the Billy Sheehan version (DiMarzio 120 I think), which I have in a parts bass I built. Much less muddy than the Gibson but I think the Billy Sheehan one may have been discontinued. Somebody might have old stock though. -
For some reason I can’t see the image but I get the general gist. You can get it cheaper, if you shop around but it is still a lot for a Far Eastern made instrument. However, there aren’t many medium scale basses around, so perhaps that is driving their pricing strategy. I don’t think it is justified by the specification particularly but I imagine it is a small production run. I would still like to hear from anyone who has actually owned, or tried one.
