Pirellithecat

I already have a modded patch cable which when inserted into the "Insert" socket .... passes the inputted signal to that channel but then can be use to pass the signal to the input of a different channel - so 1 Bass input Split into 2 channels . I goes to FOH after EQ, the other to the monitor mix with, if necessary a different EQ. Any reason not to do this as an alternative to splitting the incoming bass input. Yes - but the issue is that if there is only 1 bass channel the EQ for FOH and Monitor have to be the same. Whilst I can "globally change my IEM EQ" all the instruments in that mix get the same EQ. So to get the bass sounding OK the guitars/vocals etc can sound awful in the IEM feed. I'm probably over complicating things ..... but I'll try the "Insert" route and if that's no good, I'll try a spitter before the input. And Yes ... The Panning thought was just a way of changing the balance of the inputs (when use as a "summed" Stereo Pair as David says. Tired so the explanations above may not make sense!!! 🙄🤣

Looks like I might have to give the ZAR's a try ............. My "fix", to get a dedicated Bass EQ into my IEMs, alongside the band mix works. I just use Output 4 for the band mix (3x Vocals, 2xGuitar, Ambient Mic and a little Kick and Output 5 for Bass. Each monitor mix EQ'd separately, then combined using a 2 Jack to single female Jack. So now there's an EQ'd FOH Bass "Mix", and a Dedicated IEM Bass Eq'd Mix. Works on the CQ 4 You app too.... i've listen to both via Mains out and they are very different. I also use a Pre Amp pedal/DI - a Digbeth, combined with a Behringer BDI21. I'll try it out at rehearsal tomorrow night ........... ! I know that the Excellent is the Enemy of the Good, but it's interesting checking this stuff out ..... Next stop ...... see my Audiologist and see about some Custom Fit IEM's. Thanks Al, Thanks Phil,

Hi, Mixed results with IEM's at the moment ...... Can get all the feeds to sound "good" in my ears ....... EXCEPT bass. Probably because I care more about how the bass sounds than just being able to hear and blend the rest of the band. The issue is a very "clanky" bass tone in the IEMs' but a great tone from the backline bass Rig, and the FOH. So, without IEMs the bass sounds good on Stage and FOH (as does the band). But, once the IEMs are in place the bass is completely different ... and not in a good way. The IEM's are Shure SE 215's via Xvive U4 wireless set. (I will get these (or replacements) custom fitted to my lugholes over the next week or 2). Just working up to using my new A&H CQ18T live so wondered whether the following might work well as I now have 8 Monitor Outputs - One monitor mix with "the Band, plus Ambient Mic" Another monitor mix for a specific Bass output. Combine the 2 Jack outputs using a lead taking 2 mono Jacks to an XLR connector - then Via XLR onto the Xvive Transmitter? I could pan the two channels if I need different balances or just change each channel volume?? If this isn't daft ....I'll give it a try over the next few days and report back! Thoughts?? Cheers Ian

Thanks Phil, THe IEM's are Shure SE215's - I'll start a thread .... I think I've found a way to do a specific EQ for the bass plus "The Band" into IEM mix. But could be completely wrong!!!!

Chalk and Cheese. Aim. Reduce stage Volume Send Bass to PA at around ?? 50% Use IEM's (plus "ambient" Mic) Result Initial resistance from band Sooo much bass reinforcement in room that it was problematic. But persisted with band members to stupidly reduce Bass/Mid Lows from Amps etc. Phenomenal sound out front - several comments from audience Bass/Kick drum .... great sound out front Sound levels on stage better - comment from band that they could ear everything!! IEM's ....... borderline disaster. Great Gig EQ'd aggressively to reduce bass frequencies - well done guitarists for helping at amp level and rewarded by many comments at the end - regulars to the venue came up and complemented us on the sound AND the volume! IEM's ok apart from the bass, which was very "clanky" and unpleasant........ So ..... I'll be along shortly on another thread asing about "How do you EQ IEM's so that the bass doesn't sound sh*t!) Same as outdoors .......... of course not!

Expect realism to rear its ugly head after next weekend's gig!!! I'll let the post know ..... hopefully pics and smugness ....🤞🤞🤞🤞

Absolutely! I recently rebuilt/modded an old Fender Power Jazz Bass Special, and it's fantastic......... but really full in the lower bass and harmonics. So I turned the bass EQ down a tad ....... not sufficient ....... Checked the spec on the Ashdown ABM 600, and the Bass Control centres at 45 Hz!!!!! So now it's basically "off"! And that's better except when the stage volume gets too loud ..... (107dB!) and then everything goes to mush! Too much bass boom and clangy upper mids .... ! Made worse by having to use ear defenders, ...... So, time to affect the things I can and not worry about the things I can't .... hence IEMs/Bass through FOH, = reduced volume on stage = hopefully less stage volume = better mix! Ever the optimist 🤣

I'd love to try this, but the venues we play have so little space usually there isn't any "centre"! to spare!! 🙄🤣

At the risk of "stuck-record-ness" The sub makes so much difference to the sound - much greater than upgrading from RCF 710's to 932's! A personal hearing "thing" probably, but I find the tops excellent, in comparison to eg Mackie 450's ......... so much clearer ...... BUT, with a very strong female vocalist (and a dreadful sound guy -me). I find that the RCF upper mid/treble is a tad "shrill" - which is why I upgraded in the first place. Hopefully I can get this sorted with the CQ18T ...........

Outdoor Gig Saturday. My glacially slow progress to find a bass tone that I'm happy with both on stage and front of house continues ......... Spent several hours prior to gig playing bass outside via my PA plus Bass rig, just to get the FOH tone sorted. Took a fair amount of time!!! And it didn't rain! Took the set up to the Gig, and was happy enough. Quiet on Stage, Loud enough out front, NO boominess (possibly because it was outside??) . Had a few sorties into the audience whilst playing and was surprised!! The combined Kick Drum /Bass via the PA was really good .... punchy as I've ever heard it. And the balance was great! We'll see how we get on in a indoor venue next weekend!!! The other major difference was that the stage volume was much lower ......... so I'm going to persist with gradually reducing on stage-bass levels and putting it via monitors for the members of the band who notice and would like more bass. Next steps are; 1) Custom-fit IEM's 2) Deploy my new Mixer (CQ 18T) live, so that I have a dedicated monitor mix, 3) Buy a Helix/Zoom B6, and if all works well, 4) Downsize my bass cab (to, in all probability, a LfSys Monaco.) And all this will probably change after next weekend's Gig 🙄 PS I've followed with interest the debate about having 1 or 2 subs, and was in the 1 Sub supporters club. However, The tonal balance, with one sub under one PA top, is noticeably different on the sub side of the stage, from the audience point of view. MUCH "better", fuller/full spectrum/less bright and just "nicer". (RCF 932's over a single RCF 705 mk II). Will try Sub centrally when I get the opportunity .... but the 2 sub solution is tempting ........

Thanks for that I was rather worried that with the weight of all the cables something like this might be a little vulnerable to tipping over. Thought something with 4 legs might be required ....... But if something this simple does the trick ........ 👍

Very dull topic……… just bought a CQ18T. What do people put these on when mixing from a small stage? Be great to have a bit more space but with a dozen XLRs connected I need a stable stand for it. 😬

Before condemning IEMs, I must point out that I have on more than one occasion, done exactly the same, ie not unmuting FOH ........ And none of the band noticed. And that was using wedges!!! I realised and rectified the issue and the band were none the wiser! I may have mentioned elsewhere that the band always want more in the monitors, with the resultant feedback issues !!!!! 😭

Thanks. Been experimenting with that. Hadn't realised that the Bass knob is centered on 45 Hz so am basically using it now as an HPF filter, and turning bit to minimum. Getting there ...... I think . .... Sometimes .........