Linus27

Thanks guys, thats a really great help. Really appreciate it.

OK, before I start, I don't really know what I am talking about and just using words that our singer has said We have some recordings done on our singers home studio which is basically a PC, small desk and something he calls Logic. The mixes are very rough and we would like to take the recordings to a studio and get a really good mix. Now he mentioned something about Protools being compatiable with Logic. So, can anyone recommend any good Protools studio around the south, thats fairly cheap that we can use to do some mixing as our singer is struggling to get a decent mix out of his setup and admits to not knowing enough about it. Sorry, if everything I just mentioned makes no sense but I know nothing about Protools, Logic etc either.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='483690' date='May 9 2009, 01:46 PM']Odd that 2 people have commented on the weight of Warwick basses and yet with my latest obsession in bass weight loss I've only found ONE bass that is lighter than either my SSI or SSII (yes the 2nd one is Afzelia which can be heavy)! I'm not here to stand up and defend all Warwick basses (regardless of the fact that I have 3 for sale ) and I've no idea what model the references were aimed at but I do know that the OP stated Warwick = heavy but would love to try a Spector; I've owned 2 Spector Euros and recently have tried 2 USA Spectors... ALL of the Spectors weighed more than EITHER of my Streamers! Not entirely different basses Warwick/Spector but it is amusing to see how prejudices can be formed Hmmm [/quote] Not prejudices, just perception. I think, I originally said why does it not look heavy but is. Again, perception. They look yummy, sleek and stylish but when you pick one up, my thought everytime is bloody hell, its heavy and feels solid. It's just that they don't look heavy. They look thin and light to me. The Spector, again, looks yummy, just like a Streamer but I have never seen one in the flesh so I can't comment on them. Its all just perception and certainly not prejudices.

[quote name='silddx' post='483631' date='May 9 2009, 11:40 AM']Musicman Stingray - Melinda Messenger Status - Katie Price Warwick - Germaine Greer Gibson Thunderbird/Flying V - Jodie Marsh Spector - Sara Palin Wal - Heidi Klum Fender Precision - Angelina Jolie Fender Jazz - Madonna Fender Telecaster - Hillary Clinton Fender Jaguar - Maxine Carr Yamaha - John Prescott Lakland - Pixie Geldof Sadowsky - Peaches Geldof Bass Collection - Myleene Klass Ibanez - Paris Hilton Washburn - Jerry Hall Alembic - Arsenio Hall Shuker - Royal Albert Hall Gordon Smith - Local Scout Hall[/quote] HAHA that is genuis although I question some of your connections :)

[b]Rickenbacker[/b] What a total mess, trying to be a guitar or look different, the morris dancer of bass guitars

[quote name='allighatt0r' post='483322' date='May 8 2009, 09:28 PM']So this is about what impression the bass gives you of the player and the night ahead?[/quote] Anything really. Just what ever springs to mind when you think of that bass from a personel perspective or the impression you have, despite never owning or even playing one.

Just a bit of fun and certainly not to be taken too seriously. What do certain makes of bass say to you? When you hear the name or someone tells you they own one, what springs to mine? Here are mine, [b]Musicman Stingray[/b] - Solid, reliable, perfect, will I get a good sound out of it tonight, hope its not in that horrible honey colour, best looking bass in the world. [b]Status[/b] - Expensive looking, the 1990's, graphite, plastic looking, looks cool in black, Will it be played around the neck and slapped? [b]Warwick[/b] - Yummy looks, necks too long, why does it not look heavy but is, love one but would hate playing it. [b]Gibson Thunderbird/Flying V[/b] - Why? [b]Spector[/b] - Yummy looking, must play one oneday, Sting. [b]Wal[/b] - The 1980's, a tree with strings, nice fretless sound. [b]Fender Precision[/b] - Punk, workhorse, obvious, simple, bland, boring but great, perfect bass tone. [b]Fender Jazz[/b] - Smooth, subtle, facinating, the smart bass. [b]Fender Telecaster[/b] - Yeah baby, you is the king, why did Fender change your looks as you are perfect. [b]Fender Jaguar[/b] - Either he knows something I don't or is trying to look different, must try one just see what all the fuss is about, where are the horns?, what are all those switches doing on a bass? [b]Yamaha[/b] - They make motorbikes, how can they make a bass sound good, some look nice, some look cheap. Nathan East. [b]Ibanez[/b] - Why do they look so cheap and thin yet sound so great?, Girls always seem to pick them to play. [b]Alembic[/b] - Who designed this thing, someone from King Arthur's day?, I like those round bridge things, Mark King, LED lights. [b]Washburn[/b] - Red, they are always red, starter bass but somehow good, pointing heads, still more red. [b]Lakland[/b] - Why are they copying everything Fender has done?, surprisingly great, is it going to fall apart?. [b]Bass Collection[/b] - Great bass lost to history usually played by girls. Looks uber sexy in black. Like I say, just a bit of fun

Your very welcome Boab. Really pleased she has gone to a great home. Such a great bass and looks to die for. Really hope you enjoy playing her.

Congratulations.

[quote name='jonny-lad' post='481355' date='May 6 2009, 07:44 PM']The tonal differences seem to divide opinions the most - some people don't get on with Mark Bass at all, some don't get on with Ashdown.[/quote] I think thats the bottom line here. With all amps, you either like how they sound or you don't.

[quote name='51m0n' post='479907' date='May 5 2009, 01:59 PM']Seems like you gave it a decent work out then! I think you are probably bang on about the cab though, the MB 4x10 doesn't shy away from the mid range at all, and a lot of people dont like its sound as a result. I dont think it accentuates them particularly, I do think most cab manufacturers tend to try and engineer in a little dip in response in the mids to clean thing up a bit, or the crossoveer does it. I think the MB cabs definitely colour the sound, whereas with a more neutral cab I prefer the output. Hence me going for Berg (once I heard it it totally convinced me). To be fair the VLE did exactly what it says on the tin though, And it does it in a slightly different way from a more conventional treble IMO, but if you dont like that kind of sound it will never ever be for you. Its good for dub, blues, old school rock and roll or any time when you cant get to the tweeter attenuator. VPF upto 9' O'clock is IMO like dialing in the head to where a lot of amps consider themselves flat - any more than this and you have lost so much mid info that you wont be heard anyway IME. I would say that the EQ is definitely as powerful as any non-sweepable out there, although I think the choice of 40Hz for the low shelving is nuts, 80Hz would be more appropriate for most situations, and again I personally think this is a bit of a reflection on the cabs... If Ashdown floats your boat then congrats for finding the sound that does it for you! Would have been interested to hear what you thought of the LMII into the Ashdown 4x10 though....[/quote] A lot of what you say is actually really really interesting. The point you make about dialling the VPF up is in your opinion what other amps are flat especially. I usually run my Ashdown and infact most amps flat. I hate mids and so keep things either flat or turn a little bit of treble and bass on or the mids down a little. I really do mean a little. When I plugged into the Ashdown ABM, I just set it flat and it sounded perfect right away. So its no surprise I liked the VPF filter What I should had done was tried the Little Mark with the Ashdown ABM 4 x 10 like you say. I think, the fact I was in there for 2 hours playing and had the whole room to myself, I kind of felt I overstayed my welcome. Still, I should had tried it.

[quote name='redstriper' post='479847' date='May 5 2009, 01:05 PM']Why don't you try gigging with your present rig before buying another?[/quote] My current rig with one cab only puts out about 180 watts. With two cabs I get 300 watts. My band has a very loud argentinian latin loving drummer, a percussionist and two guitarists and 3 vocals. At the rehearsal rooms, the 300 watt combos (which must be pushing out 180) have struggled. I also want to go down to one cab (thus the question about a single 2 x 10 or possible 4 x 10) and a larger head, something thats going to push out about 300 watts at 8 ohms and 500 at 4 ohms. 300 should easily be enough but I also have the scope to expand if I ever need to.

[quote name='Stylon Pilson' post='479880' date='May 5 2009, 01:31 PM']Methinks that the GAS fairy is currently lodging in Linus27's attic. S.P.[/quote]

[quote name='51m0n' post='479838' date='May 5 2009, 12:56 PM']Errr how on earth did you manage to conclude that an LM II is tonally limiting???? Really I cannot imagine how you came to that conclusion. I expect the filters werent off, but maybe the amp was bust. Honestly, I've never heard a better amp for my needs so to hear someone dismiss it like that is pretty weird to me, the eq section is super powerful, and the filters are a great solution to 90% of player's needs. I'm certainly not trying to suggest you should all be using MB gear but I am interested to find out why you thought it was so poor, in what way was it tonally limited?[/quote] OK, I'll try my best. It was running through the Markbass 4 x 10. I set every thing to flat and made sure the filters were turned off and played my Stingray with everything on flat. My initial reaction was it sounded ok. Very punchy but nothing spectacular. Nothing to make me go oh wow. I then played with the filters. First I tried the VPF and dialled it all the way from full to just a little bit on. This really sounded very good and I settled on 3 o clock for a nice punch tone. A really nice punchy, exciting sound. I then turned the VPF off and tried the VLE Filter. This sounded horrible, boomy, bassy and muddy. Would be great if you wanted to play dub music or maybe reggea. I then tried mixing both filters and again, this just sounded horrible. The VPF sounded great on it own. I then tried it flat again with both filters off and this showed how great the VPF filter is as flat, my initail thoughts of it sounding ok had now changed to ok to dull. The tone was very mid heavy which I really do not like. So I set about trying to improve this using the graphic and I could improve it but not to a standard that was acceptable for me to go wow. So I reset everything again and went back to the VPF filter and it then sounded very good. I could happily live with that one setting but I thought for a £500 head, it was a lot to play for just one setting. At this point I was a little dissapointed as I had high hopes for it so I decided to set the Ashdown ABM EVO III head up through the Ashdown ABM 4 x 10 to just get a reference in case it was some other factor like the room etc but the Ashdown immediatly sounded great. Shaping the sound was versatile, the tone, despite not being as punchy and more alive. The Markbass had a very tight, compact, punchy sound. The Ashdown was very wide, open and airy. To my ears, I prefered the tone of the Ashdown rig. I then tried the Ashdown MAG to compare again as this is what I own and it sounded like the ABM range but thinner and with less range but still very good. I don't think there is really anything wrong with the Markbass Little Mark head, its just a case off only finding one setting I was happy with tonally and any other setting really did not suit me. It may have even been the Markbass cab letting it down. I had high hopes for that also as it only weighs 25kg where the Ashdown weighs 36kg.

[quote name='cytania' post='478548' date='May 3 2009, 09:12 PM']Classic rock bass sound is 'pumpin eigths', you know 'ba-ba-ba-ba-ba'. Sixteenths is double that, a real fast rocker or punk type song. Playing these is actually harder than it sounds, your fingers sort of get bored and deviate. When I started bass I quickly latched onto boogie-lines and other classic rock'n'roll stuff but rock eigths seemed obvious, easy. How wrong I was. Getting that rock style consistent and on-the-beat has taken alot of the last year...[/quote] Glad I'm not the only one who knows this. A lot of people slag Adam Clayton off for his bass player. Yet, a lot of producers say that his timing is spot on. Not many bass players can play as tight on the beat and as consistant as he can.

[quote name='alexclaber' post='479174' date='May 4 2009, 06:03 PM']So how did you manage to decide without trying it? Alex[/quote] HAHA rumbled :) It was more a case of sticking with what I know best. After trying in Andertons The Markbass Little Mark II, Warwick Profet, Ashdown ABM and Ashdown MAG back to back, I found the MAG (which I already own) sounded great and suited my tone but the ABM range was just so much more tonally and much more adjustable. So it is the perfect upgrade from the MAG. The Markbass just sounded horrible and very limiting tonally. The Warwick actually sounded pretty good but worse than my MAG. I think the Ashdown tone just really suits me. I am very fussy and struggle to get a nice tone out of the Stingray and so far the Ashdown tone has been the best. Saying that, I borrowed an Ashdown Little Giant and despite sounding very good, did not sound better than my MAG. It had less scope tonally. So, yes I could try the Hartke but I thought it would be better to try some of the others out first rather than waste Paul's time. If the Ashdown ABM sounded no better or worse than my MAG then I would be trying the Hartke for sure. As it sounded better, then like I say, just sticking with what I know.

[quote name='alexclaber' post='479086' date='May 4 2009, 04:23 PM']Did you check out Pete's LH500 then? Alex[/quote] No, I didn't in the end. I did not want to waste his time in the end as I was still trying to decide what to go for.

[quote name='steve-soar' post='478465' date='May 3 2009, 07:46 PM']Brilliant response, "I will go with the 4x10" 4 ohm I hope?[/quote] I think the Ashdown ABM 4 x 10 only comes as 8 ohms.

[quote name='ashevans09' post='478466' date='May 3 2009, 07:47 PM']Nice cabs they are, had one for a while They weigh a ton though, watch your back! [/quote] Yeah, thats my only concern. 36kg for the Ashdown ABM 4 x 10. Still, if its going to be the best sound then I will have to put up with it. I think casters or a trolly may be required.

Thanks guys, appreciate the help. looks liek a fair few are turning 2 x 10's on their side. If only Ashdown made a 2 x 12 or a 3 x 10 Anyway, I think I will go with the 4 x 10.