Noisyjon

Hello All, Happy new year, etc. Right down to business. I'm thinking of getting my dream bass made by Jon and have hit a stumbling block with the pickgaurd colour. It's going to be a Classic Jazz bass with a trans white body with a natural non-tinted maple neck. I initially wanted a W/B/W scratchplate but am now thinking maybe a nice Tort or B/W/B jobbie. Any pictures and thoughts to help me out here please? Rock on, Cheers, Jon.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='112269' date='Jan 2 2008, 01:26 PM']Jon. I understand the implications but im just wondering if any of this has happened to anyone. While your right about being able to go and ask the DJ to prove he has a licence and if not switch to another freq im not sure there would be anything i could do on the night if i came across this situation. I have asked the DJ's at a couple of my gigs to switch off or change as it was clashing with my single freq GB system and got told they couldn't (or wouldn't). While i could report them it would probably have to be after the event and if i had paid to use a freq that i couldn't i would be forced back to square one. I agree it is a good idea to have a licence to avoid getting fined or whatever but i feel it might not be worth much on the night. Still, ill switch to a free, shared freq now that i know i shouldn't use the other but if i do have trouble ill risk one of the others (if i have to) Thanks again for the info[/quote] I don't personally know of anyone getting done...but there's a question for our fellow BC'ers? My oppo at work has been asked for his license while out on a job. He had one so that was OK! It's good to hear you are in the un-regulated range so won't have licensing issues. As for the 'on the night' value, it's not just the interference you may get at the venue that's sorted out beforehand it's the interference you may cause to others that is halted. For an example I know of - Radio telescopes and some radar services in the UK operate in the mid to high 500 MHz range. Without knowing you could interfere with them and their important work and not know about it. There are all sorts of things that can be around in the air where you are that you just don't know about. I think this is where the Channel 69 Shared license is spot on for us Guys with it's year long, UK wide coverage.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='111957' date='Jan 1 2008, 08:12 PM']Jon. Thanks for getting this subject out in the open. Very interesting reading. Im wondering though, outside of pro situations how many of us will ever pay for a license. You ive mentioned what freq's i use in the other thread and so i guess i should pay but as ive never had any problems i cant see me ever paying. I can always switch to one of the free freqs if i need to. I only use what i use because ive not had any problems so far and so will stick with that unless i have to change. Anyone actually ever get fined or charged for a one off gig?[/quote] Hi Dave, The bottom line is you need a license if you use anything outside of the un-regulated ranges, no matter what. As for fines & charges - It does happen. Imagine if you powered up at the Dog & Duck for a gig and unbeknown to you you are interfering with a TV distribution system in the tower block next door. All of a sudden there's hundreds of people complaining to Ofcom who come looking for the offender and there you are. They can not only confiscate the Wireless kit itself but the associated equipment with it if they require. It could be your whole rig or band's whole setup! It works the other way too. For example: If you have a license and at the gig DJ Bobby Dazzler is interfering with you, with his un-licensed funky wireless mic, then you can ask him for his license to prove he's 'legal'. When he doesn't have one you can take appropriate action. Usually asking them to go to the un-regulated range will do it, but if not then you have the option to report them. One of the reasons we are now losing radio sprctrum to Digital TV, Wireless internet & Mobile networks is due to many un-licensed users all over the UK using the radio spectrum and it going on un-noticed. If Ofcom could see a ton of licenses being issued for gigs & events then they might have thought twice about selling it off - who knows. By 2012 we will lose 806.000 MHz to 854.000 MHz due to the sell off. More food for thought for the next bout of radio spectrum sell off! Regards, Jon.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='110251' date='Dec 28 2007, 04:36 PM']Cheers for that Jon. I did a bit of research into this a short while ago as I purchased a couple of off the shelf units (on the 'free' frequency spectrum that you outlined) to use in a talent show we were putting on at the school where I work. Actually the research came much later than the show due to the fact that I received a communication through our school secretary inquiring if we had any wireless equipment and if it was on x to y frequency, if so then we needed to pay (through this company) the license fee! You guessed it the frequencies in question were the freebies. I contacted the seller of the units (SC) and was told that there was no license required for their use. I contacted the company trying to get the license fee from us and said that they were in the wrong and that we didn't need a license. A week later we got a very official looking letter saying that we needed to pay £XXX for the license, I contacted our local Authority legal Dept who very quickly got back to me to say that it was a ruse to scam money out of unsuspecting schools! Is this something you've come across?[/quote] I have not heard of this scam before. There are some scumbags out there aren't there. What happened after?

[quote name='WalMan' post='109930' date='Dec 27 2007, 04:44 PM']Thanks for the info. I really should read up more on this as we are running 2 guitar, 1 mic and 2 in ear wireless systems nowadays. When I got my first Nady kit ages ago I seem to recall I did actually get a licence for the first year (it was so long ago perhaps I only thought about it ) Having never had problems in all the years of using wireless - including playing next door to a police station and expecting, but not getting, someone coming in to say "will you stop bleeding over our airwaves!!") - I have never bothered since (though I know I possibly should. I seem to recall reading in the MU mag that there could be trouble brewing with the "free" bands being auctioned off?[/quote] Hi Walman, Now there's a question! A lot, if not all, of the frequencies wireless kit is manufactured on is being auctioned off. Ofcom has said that it will keep Channel 69 and the first part of Channel 70 'as is' in respect to the shared license and free to use spectrum. It will cause more complications as those who currently use sub 854 MHz won't be physically able to so will start having to use between 854 to 870. It's a bit brain bending and probably best to read the Ofcom review in the news section of jfmg.co.uk to get a better idea. As for your band's substantial wireless set up, if I were you I'd get those who use it to club together and stump up for a Channel 69 license to cover you all. What make if in ear monitors do you use just out of intertest? Regards, Jon.

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='109882' date='Dec 27 2007, 03:14 PM']interesting, I used to have one Trantec S2000 diversity unit that worked on 177Mhz and I never used it because the signal was full of interference and noise. The other two I still have are fine and come within the designated bandwidth I wonder if this is why rather than due to an electronic problem with the unit?[/quote] Could be the kit...Trantec are notorious in the Pro industry!!! Different companies do things slightly differently to each other so the Trantec may be less 'RF robust' than some others or just a bad example. What make are you using now out of interest?

[quote name='OldGit' post='107490' date='Dec 21 2007, 09:55 AM']+1 My unit has hundreds of frequencies so I'm hoping there will be a few left around that don't have Smashey and Nicey or QTV broadcasting on them. and it it all goes pear-shaped I'll just have to go back to a lead .. What's the TV industry doing about it? Actually if it seiously affects us maybe you could start a new thread about what it means and what we ma have to do?[/quote] Started a new thread now with a lot of info for you Guys. Regards.

Welcome to a quick (!) guide to Wireless systems and the law regarding using them. I am going to cover the Licensing side of things here and not go into any kind of comparison between different systems and the way they work as there are many of them out there and I don't use one so couldn't possibly comment on your particular make and model of system! A bit about me first. I worked for many years in the TV Broadcast industry and my speciality was specifying, licensing, tuning and installing radio mic and in ear monitor equipment for clients. All shows and programmes on TV rely on this equipment in some way during their creation. All the wireless gear that is available for muso's works on the same frequencies and comes under the same licensing bracket as my work related gear so thought I'd share my knowledge with you all as it seems apparent that a lot of gear is being used unlicensed and therefore possibly illegally. Here in the UK Ofcom look after it all via the PMSE (Programme Making and Special Events) department. You can look through their website for all of the information and costs, license application forms, etc here: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radiocommunication-licences/pmse The section of frequency spectrum we use is broken up and managed in 8 MHz wide 'Channels' and the accessible part for us is TV Channel 21 to 60, which is shared with terrestrial TV broadcasting. For example Channel 38 is between 606 and 614 MHz. Therefore Channel 39 is 614 to 622 MHz, Ch.40 is 622 to 630 MHz, etc, etc. The good news is that there are some free to use unregulated ranges you can use. There are 2 small windows - one in the VHF range: 173.800 to 175.000 MHz and one in the UHF range (part of Channel 70): 863 to 865 MHz. There's also the 2400 to 2483.5 MHz (2.4 GHz) range that is free to use and being utilized by many manufactures now. What this actually means is that they're basically a "free for all" for anyone to use so there is a more likely chance there will be interference issues. If you use ANY other frequencies outside of the above mentioned ranges then you need to license your equipment for use. The costs vary depending on the amount of frequencies required, the length of time that they are required for use and the type of license required. There are 3 license options available, which are: A) 'Shared' license. VHF: 175 MHz to 210 MHz is available on a 'shared' license basis. There is a group of 15 set frequencies that can be licensed across the whole UK for a year at £75 online or £85 through the office. UHF: 606 MHz to 614 MHz (Channel 38) is also available on a 'shared' license basis. You can tune your equipment anywhere between 606.500 and 613.500 MHz and be licensed across the whole UK. As a point of reference you can get approx. 6 - 10 pieces of equipment up and running in that range. Since March 2015 this now includes the ranges of 823 - 832 MHz and (excluding Northern Ireland) 1785 - 1805 MHz. The only disadvantage to the Shared license is that anyone/everyone in the UK can hold one, hence the 'shared' bit. This can increase the chances of interference at a venue, but makes it a lot less likely than if you were to operate in the unregulated license exempt ranges. The thing to bear in mind is that Comperes, DJs, etc could be on site with their radio mic's in this range. In the real world, and in that instance, you can work out moving frequencies between you to keep everything interference free. The costs for this are: Annually: £75 online/£85 through the office, Bi-Annually: £135 online/£155 through the office. B) 'fixed site' license. You can request specific frequency/s, or be given, a 'clean' one/s for the venue by OFCOM. It lasts a year at a specific venue for a specific frequency or frequencies and the important bit here is that this type of license can only be obtained by the property owner. This is worth bearing in mind if you do regular gigs at a venue and you're friendly enough with the Landlord to get him/her to book you something to use when you're there. The caveat here is that they will own the license, not you, so they can authorise anyone else to use it as they see fit. A basic 1 frequency fixed site license is currently £28 annually. C) 'Coordinated frequency' license. You can request a specific frequency, or be given, a 'clean' one/set for the venue by OFCOM. A basic license of 1 frequency at a specified venue for 48 hours (the minimum amount of time licensed) is currently £28. The heavy bit is that you could be either fined, nicked or have equipment confiscated if you get caught using unlicensed equipment. These measures, in my experience, are unlikely* but possible so worth remembering. *Just to add a more recent experience - I was on a job where one particular frequency was in use but had been forgotten about and not booked/licensed. There was an Ofcom representative on site helping someone else out and he had their super-duper portable spectrum analyzer and saw our frequency! After a brief discussion the gist of it was just pay & license it right here, right now and that's it this time but be more careful in the future please! If you're still with me, congratulations. I will try and keep this updated and as current as possible. Any questions the let me have 'em! Cheers, Jon. EDIT: General update October 2017.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='107515' date='Dec 21 2007, 10:30 AM']WOW, thanks john. Didnt know any of that stuff. Maybe that's why i have not had any trouble with 835MHZ at all the places we play. In fact ive only had problems with the GB system that i guess is using the more common freq. I always turn on the receiver and have the amp way down when i set up in case anyone else is might be coming through it. That gives me a good idea if i will be coming out of any other system. so far so good.[/quote] Indeed a tricky and complicated subject. I think a new Wireless/Radio Frequency thread may be in order, as suggested. Will have a think about it and set it up soon. Where do you think would be a good place to start from your point of view?

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='107482' date='Dec 21 2007, 09:43 AM']I know about the switchover but im not worried yet. what did you mean about the licences? I dont pay for any although i have been told it would be a good idea. Am i missing something?[/quote] Basically there is a License Exempt band that is between 863.100MHz and 864.900MHz. Everything else needs a license of some kind. Between 854.000MHz and 862.000MHz is called a 'Shared & Co-ordinated radio microphone' band and is an annually or bi-annually issued license. All other UHF frequencies (Between 470 - 854MHz) are charged on a sliding price scale depending on the amount of frequencies and length of time they are to be used. A basic license of 1 frequency (e.g. 835.500MHz) at a specified building for 48 hours is £24. For the full info check out: [url="http://www.jfmg.co.uk"]http://www.jfmg.co.uk[/url] Regards, Jon.

[quote name='Jase' post='107434' date='Dec 21 2007, 01:45 AM']Think they go back as far as 95/96, not 100% certain though.[/quote] My '95 USA P has the string through bridge. American Highway Series don't have a string through bridge but a Badass 2 instead! Like the others have said the Vintage series doesn't have string through bridges either. Hope that helps?

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='106612' date='Dec 19 2007, 06:04 PM']Yeah, i use a long lead just in case the system goes down as well. I can understand the problems in a pro situation like TV etc but for my gigs i have no trouble. I tend to use 835mhz for my WMS400 if i dont have any trouble and my GB is set at 854.9mhz i believe.[/quote] Wow - you must earn well at gigs to pay for all those radio licences. BTW when the digital TV switchover happens 835MHz (along with many other frequencies) is going to be taken over. Maybe time to sell the gear while it's still got some value.

Fair comments guys and like I said if you need to use 'em for your gigs then fair do's. I agree that there is no noticable difference between a good wireless system and a lead these days. I'm coming from the angle that I work in the TV industry and specialize in wireless mic systems and am very aware of the problems that go with being wireless. Hence my previous comment. As a matter of interest what frequencies do you guys operate on?

IMO I wouldn't use Wireless RF gear at all, unless it was the only option!

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[quote name='Tee' post='99372' date='Dec 5 2007, 09:26 AM'][/quote] Rock and indeed Roll!!! What about Duff McKagan? He's done, and still is doing, some cool playing with a P + a Pick (OK a PJ pickup combo admittedly, but close enough IMO ;-)