mrtcat

Just sold a Micro Thumpinator to Gary. Lightening quick payment, great company and a super smooth transaction.

Separating subs at outdoor gigs is far more important than at most indoor gigs. Yes in an ideal world you'll separate at both but in reality, unless your indoor gig is in a really well acoustically treated space, there will be so much reflected sound that you won't really find many noticeable dead spots caused by phase cancellation.

Lots of great info already given. All I would add is that its worth considering a Blue Acoustic system. Hand made here in the UK using top quality components. Designed to out perform similarly priced big brand gear and you can speak to them directly to discuss which of their setups would suit you best.

Big thanks to everyone who offered advice. I've had time to follow the tips properly and it has completely transformed the foh bass sound. As a side note, the Darkglass Anagram has blown me away with its features. Fully parametric 6 band eq, proper high pass filters that allow you to choose the slope type and can be added wherever you need them and just a load of great core sounds.

I use my DAW to check and correct the levels of all of my patches so they're all very much equal in terms of output level.

I rarely use the amp these days as we all use iems so, on most occasions, there's no stage monitor sound at all.

Understood, ill try that today and see how it goes. That may be the "fettling" I need.

So i used Bill's suggested approach to great effect. Instead of playing an open A i set up a new patch in the anagram with no blocks and connected to both my amp and the mixer. I set amp eq flat and removed any eq on either the channel or main out on the mixer. I then used a pink noise generator and used the sound analyser app to listen to the pink noise through my amp and cab. I took a screenshot and then sent the pink noise through the PA. I used the global eq in the Anagram to get the PA sounding as close to my cab as possible by matching the graphic eqs as closely as I could. It was quite surprising just how much mid and treble I had to add to get them close. The greenboy cab is definitely not lacking in the mids / high mids and highs. I had a gig tonight and ran the Anagram into the PA. I used a preset without a cab sim and it sounded much better. Our guitarist mixes and he noticed a considerable difference. I think it still needs a bit of fettling but its definitely much closer to what I want now.

Thanks so much Bill, that makes perfect sense. I've downloaded the app and will give it a go today.

We have a great PA (rcf 932a x2 and rcf 905 sub x2) and a capable mixer (XR18) and yet im never happy with the bass sound through PA. I have a Darkglass Anagram which sounds amazing for recording direct into a PC and awesome on the multi track live recording we take direct from the desk at gigs. It also sounds perfect in my iem mix. My amp is a Darkglasd M900 and my cab is a greenboy F112. That setup sounds killer too. Why is it then that the bass sound coming out of the PA just always seems to sound a bit woolly and soft and lacking those lovely clean piano type lows. Even if I turn all processing off on the desk it seems to sound like it lacks the clean weight of sound and crisp top end. Do I just need to be braver with the eq or is it something in the PA speakers that hates me?