Tilt back combo positioning

[ped]

We played a really great gig yesterday at Oundle music festival. Once again I used my Eich 112XS combo which tilts back so I can hear myself really well on stage and the DI sound is perfect. 
 

When I position the amp on stage, I naturally put it behind me because that’s what I’ve always done. But at sound check I tried it in front of me like a monitor, and had the FOH out keys and vocals in my actual monitor. It worked really well and I could feel the bass and hear it even batter. 
 

I moved it though for the gig because it was in the way to be honest for everyone else coming on and off stage but I wondered if anyone else does this regularly? I think next time I might do it from the start and move other things around to make room. 
 

I think having it facing away from the audience probably helps reduce the on stage sound, too - I think I could have it even louder without affecting the PA sound out front. 

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

"If it sounds good it is good." -Duke Ellington

[BigRedX]

When I was still using my RCF FRFR I'd often position it at the front of the stage but "firing" across so that the rest of the band also got the benefit.

[ped]

Just now, BigRedX said:

When I was still using my RCF FRFR I'd often position it at the front of the stage but "firing" across so that the rest of the band also got the benefit.

 

I do that at rehearsal where we don't PA the bass, and it works well. However on stage I've actually used it next to the drummer but pointing away from him and towards me, so that his monitor mix isn't muddied by my amp. Given that I'm off to the side with nobody else next to me, I think it gives the rest of the band less bass bleed and a cleaner stage sound.

[BigRedX]

The band in question had a very dense sound and the two guitarists would want to hear an on-stage mix that sounded as close to the recording as possible. OtOH I was quite happy so long as I could hear the drums so I could tell I was in time and the vocals so I knew where I was in the song. Being able to take the bass guitar out of the foldback certainly helped with the on-stage clarity for the other members.

[Hellzero]

This is the way I do since so many years as my ears are meant to hear mainly from the front 😂 , but it seems that musicians ears are designed the other way round as they always put their amp and many cabs in their back, or maybe they listen through their butthole... 🤔🤪

 

Joking aside it's simply a thing from the past when there was no P.A. or F.O.H., so use your amp the right way from now on @ped. 😉

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

1 hour ago, BigRedX said:

Being able to take the bass guitar out of the foldback certainly helped with the on-stage clarity for the other members.

Perhaps. Since the lows from your own speaker radiate omnidirectionally they should not be in the monitors. The mids and highs are directional, so they should be in the monitors. For that reason the bass feed to monitors should be high passed at the transition frequency to directional, around 250 Hz. 

[ped]

1 hour ago, Hellzero said:

This is the way I do since so many years as my ears are meant to hear mainly from the front 😂 , but it seems that musicians ears are designed the other way round as they always put their amp and many cabs in their back, or maybe they listen through their butthole... 🤔🤪

 

Joking aside it's simply a thing from the past when there was no P.A. or F.O.H., so use your amp the right way from now on @ped. 😉

Maybe standing behind an 8x10 in the future might help with stage fright