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I have been trying to set up live stream on Facebook, but can't get a bass played and a backing track at the same time. I connected my turntable to Focusrite Scarlett with a mini jack to dual jack cable. Mini jack to turntable and the other end dual jack cable to Focusrite input 1 and input 2. 

I open live stream on Facebook and set up laptop cam and sound as Focusrite. When I play the turntable and press go live on Facebook, it both plays and records the turntable. When I plug my bass into input 3 on Focusrite, there is no bass sound. The bass only plays and records in input 1.

I've tried opening the Ableton DAW and play bass plugged into Focusrite but still can't get music and bass to record at the same time. Is there a simple way to live stream a song and play along with a bass or a guitar? I watched YouTube where broadcasters use third party media plug ins for this purpose.

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Have you checked the inputs on the DAW correspond to the imputs you’re using?

 

It might be easier to record the backing track first and simply play along to it, rather than trying to record both simultaneously.

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11 minutes ago, ambient said:

Have you checked the inputs on the DAW correspond to the imputs you’re using?

 

It might be easier to record the backing track first and simply play along to it, rather than trying to record both simultaneously.

Yes I have. When I say backing track, I'm trying to play a full song and play along in Facebook live streaming.

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31 minutes ago, SH73 said:

Yes I have. When I say backing track, I'm trying to play a full song and play along in Facebook live streaming.


Why are you playing the record and playing bass at the same time? Why not just record your track into your DAW, then play along to that? It’s omitting having two things going into the DAW at the same time.

 

The few times I’ve done live-streamed gigs I used OBS. They were being streamed via YouTube. I haven’t tried via Facebook.

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39 minutes ago, ambient said:


Why are you playing the record and playing bass at the same time? Why not just record your track into your DAW, then play along to that? It’s omitting having two things going into the DAW at the same time.

 

The few times I’ve done live-streamed gigs I used OBS. They were being streamed via YouTube. I haven’t tried via Facebook.

Thanks for the advice for some reason it's now recorded fine but it was in mono bass was in a left channel and the audio was in the right channel. There was a lot of latency but I found out that I listened to the playback from the Focusrite as well as Facebook at the same time. So now the latency sorted I may download OBS tomorrow and try if the quality improves and record the song in the door then play along as you suggested.

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Downloaded OBS, the quality of the audio didn't improve at all. Apparently, Facebook output is in mono so if I record through my Focusrite into Ableton then Facebook,it sounds great through monitoring via Focusrite interface, but when I play it back from Facebook it is in mono, bass in the left channel and backing track in the right channel. I will try You Tube tomorrow.

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Streaming with an audio interface can be tricky.  I think the problem here isn't so much with Facebook Live, but with the way your audio interface is being seen by the operating system, and thus by extension Facebook Live, OBS, etc.

 

Just to clarify what I think is happening:  Although you have an 18i8, it sounds like your OS is seeing it as a 2-in, 2-out device.  This is standard behaviour when the interface is being used as a 'soundcard' by the OS.  So, Facebook Live can't receive your audio from Input 3, as it doesn't know it exists.  In addition, the 2 inputs it can see are actually considered a single stereo input, and that's why you're getting Input 1 panned to the left and Input 2 to the right.

 

When you do multi-channel recording in your DAW it is usually accessing your intreface via ASIO, which gives it access to all on the ins and outs.  Facebook Live does not support ASIO.  OBS does support ASIO, but I think you have to install a plugin first.

 

One way around this would be to set everything up in Ableton (using the MME/DirectX driver rather than ASIO) and set Facebook Live to stream your desktop audio.  You'll need to have software monitoring turned on on your tracks.  Only issue with this is that you'll either need to monitor your bass playing from Ableton's output with all of the latency that entails, or do a little bit of extra configuration so that you don't hear the desktop audio through your headphones/monitors, and then you can use the inbuilt monitoring of the interface.

 

(Edit: the bit above about switching Ableton to MME/DirectX is wrong to the point of being the opposite of what we want.  I'm an idiot)

 

That's just one idea.  There are other ways to do it.  Ultimately, the best solution is to use something like OBS with ASIO support, but it's not the easiest thing to configure.

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4 hours ago, linear said:

Streaming with an audio interface can be tricky.  I think the problem here isn't so much with Facebook Live, but with the way your audio interface is being seen by the operating system, and thus by extension Facebook Live, OBS, etc.

 

Just to clarify what I think is happening:  Although you have an 18i8, it sounds like your OS is seeing it as a 2-in, 2-out device.  This is standard behaviour when the interface is being used as a 'soundcard' by the OS.  So, Facebook Live can't receive your audio from Input 3, as it doesn't know it exists.  In addition, the 2 inputs it can see are actually considered a single stereo input, and that's why you're getting Input 1 panned to the left and Input 2 to the right.

 

When you do multi-channel recording in your DAW it is usually accessing your intreface via ASIO, which gives it access to all on the ins and outs.  Facebook Live does not support ASIO.  OBS does support ASIO, but I think you have to install a plugin first.

 

One way around this would be to set everything up in Ableton (using the MME/DirectX driver rather than ASIO) and set Facebook Live to stream your desktop audio.  You'll need to have software monitoring turned on on your tracks.  Only issue with this is that you'll either need to monitor your bass playing from Ableton's output with all of the latency that entails, or do a little bit of extra configuration so that you don't hear the desktop audio through your headphones/monitors, and then you can use the inbuilt monitoring of the interface.

 

That's just one idea.  There are other ways to do it.  Ultimately, the best solution is to use something like OBS with ASIO support, but it's not the easiest thing to configure.

Thank you for the comprehensive answer. I fiddled around with it, so bass is in input 1, the backing track is played from my phone and dual jack is plugged in input 2 and 3. Facebook chicks the bass to left channel and backing trac to right. I will try using MMEditect X to see if there's any improvement. 

I downloaded OBS but it did not improve, as my previous post. I play around with it.

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No worries.  Lots of people have issues like this, which is why there are so many YouTube videos on the topic.

 

For my suggestion about using the Desktop Audio as the sound source, you'll need to go into the sound settings on your computer.  On mine it looked like this:

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Down at the bottom you can see the Stereo Mix input device.  It might not be called Stereo Mix for you, but hopefully there will be something similar.  It was disabled by default for me, so I enabled it.

 

And then, in the Facebook Live settings:

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For the microphone, I would choose Stereo Mix.  And then set up Ableton as you did before.

 

 

 

 

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A couple of other notes:

 

Simply using the default installation of OBS is not enough to solve your issue.  To capture audio from more than the first two inputs on you interface with OBS, the plugin you need to install is here: https://github.com/Andersama/obs-asio/releases You then need to set up some ASIO sound sources; a mono one for your bass and a stereo one for your backing track.  And finally, of course, you need to configure OBS to stream to Facebook Live https://en-gb.facebook.com/business/help/497386444253763

 

You may have seen YouTube videos suggesting that you use VoiceMeeter as a solution  Voicemeeter is a software mixer that does support ASIO connection to your interface.  As you can see from my screenshots, I do use it, but Voicemeeter brings a lot of issues of its own, and I only use it when I can't find any other way to do what I need.

 

Also, for the scenario where you are streaming with an instrument, an external audio source like your record player, and perhaps even a microphone so you can talk - it is pretty common for people to use a small hardware mixer in front of their interface.  I know it seems crazy when you have so many available inputs on your 1818, but it really does simplify things and you get easily accessible volume knobs for all of your sound sources.  I'm not suggesting you go out and buy a mixer, but I mention it for completeness.

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1 hour ago, linear said:

A couple of other notes:

 

Simply using the default installation of OBS is not enough to solve your issue.  To capture audio from more than the first two inputs on you interface with OBS, the plugin you need to install is here: https://github.com/Andersama/obs-asio/releases You then need to set up some ASIO sound sources; a mono one for your bass and a stereo one for your backing track.  And finally, of course, you need to configure OBS to stream to Facebook Live https://en-gb.facebook.com/business/help/497386444253763

 

You may have seen YouTube videos suggesting that you use VoiceMeeter as a solution  Voicemeeter is a software mixer that does support ASIO connection to your interface.  As you can see from my screenshots, I do use it, but Voicemeeter brings a lot of issues of its own, and I only use it when I can't find any other way to do what I need.

 

Also, for the scenario where you are streaming with an instrument, an external audio source like your record player, and perhaps even a microphone so you can talk - it is pretty common for people to use a small hardware mixer in front of their interface.  I know it seems crazy when you have so many available inputs on your 1818, but it really does simplify things and you get easily accessible volume knobs for all of your sound sources.  I'm not suggesting you go out and buy a mixer, but I mention it for completeness.

That is a very thorough advice, thank you. When I use OBS it recognises more than two inputs but still mono result when played back from Facebook. MME only recognise two inputs. I have watched tones of You Tubers on this subject. I have yet to test You Tube but have to wait 24 hours for verification. I have seen few you Tubers suggesting a small mixer. I suppose it's a matter if learning the trade.

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Apologies about sending you down a dead end with MME.  There is a reason I mentioned it, but it's definitely not what you want here.  That's what I get for posting late at night.

 

If you can get OBS to recognise and capture three audio inputs on your interface, that sounds positive.  Have you tried Recording a video to disk with OBS, and if so, are the audio channels all present and panned correctly?  This would be my first step before testing a stream.  If the audio is all correct on the video you've recorded you know that the issue lies elsewhere.

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So , watched a few You Tube lessons on the subject, in OBS if you click mono all instruments should ( theoretically) output from both left and right channel. My solution, I'm after a mixer to resolve the issue. BUT, my next challenge is to tackle the green screen/ chroma key. I had some 60% success, but the webcam on my gaming laptop is ok. I've been trying to set up my Samsung "zillion" megapixel camera to OBS but all I'm getting is 🌈 lines across. Having watched and researched endless materials I have hit dead end. HDMI video capture device does f*** all. May need another external web cam , better than the inbuilt webcam. Waste of time tbh.

Not sure if upgrading from windows 10 to 11 would resolve the matter. 

Any suggestions? On connecting external cam to OBS.I know they're  some IT geeks out there.

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@linear resolved the audio issue. Both a small Xenyx 8 channel mixer, then in OBS clicked the audio source as mono, tested today and works fine. Now I've been having issues with green screen/.chroma key set up 😁 works but looks like more than watermark effect. Thanks for your help in above posts

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