ray_6ao7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 hey everyone came across this on ebay today... [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140298017373&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=004"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=004[/url] looks to be a 93 stage i but with afzelia body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 pah! blue ones are better i hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Surface scratching It looks more like it's had a huge force appled to the control area which has resulted in a considerable crack into the control cavity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 shocking isnt it? and my one has gold hardware...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It looks great but that crack looks scary. I wouldn’t touch it without seeing more pics or actually seeing it in person. I'd definitely change the hardware for black... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 All of the above.... with one teency overlooked fact; that it is a bolt-on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='395856' date='Jan 30 2009, 11:44 PM']All of the above.... with one teency overlooked fact; that it is a bolt-on! [/quote] Is it? It's a bit unclear what this is cos the picture of the front of it isnt really big enough to see the neck joint. Is it a 'Bolt-On'? The headstock just says "Streamer Bass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Looks like an old LX, good looking thing tho, and +1 to the black hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) [quote name='warwickhunt' post='395856' date='Jan 30 2009, 11:44 PM']All of the above.... with one teency overlooked fact; that it is a bolt-on! [/quote] i did wonder why the back of the headstock didn't have laminates visible.... EDIT: why am i bumping this? Edited January 31, 2009 by LukeFRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It is a BO LX I can assure you and the guy is playing very canny With a 'W' head on you can see that; were it to be a NT it would then be a SSII not SSI... however the neck/body joint is wrong for a NT SSI / II (if you've seen enough of them it just becomes second nature to spot). the headstock rear doesn't show any laminates commonly found on a SSI / II BUT they are correct for an LX. the silver hardware would be 'unusual for a SSI / II BUT correct for an LX. With an 'eBay' head on you can spot the telltale signs of 'fudging'; "it may well be a custom bass." - it 'may' but he's not saying it is. "I am not sure about this and would advise potential buyers to check with Warwick." - a convenient get out when you say "Hoy! this is an LX BO." he has very kindly/wisely (and correctly, I may add) given you a link to a similar bass retailing @ £1600... take more than 5 seconds to look and it is a BO LX bass he has taken you to. I will stress that he may be a genuine [s]numpty[/s] seller and have owned this bass for 7 years without realising that it ISN'T a Streamer Stage I / II (yeh right ) but we shall see as I've sent him an email (a very polite one not raggie or nasty) pointing out a couple of minor points. he does state he will revise his listing in light of more info so time will tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Fair does! The guy has pulled the listing until he can look into the spec of the bass. A good sign that he may well be a genuine seller with no knowledge of a bass that he has owned for 7 years. However, he has one flaw in his plan... he has said he'll get the info direct from Warwick! From past experiences (and I'll give them the opportunity to get it right this time) the helpful people at 'W' HQ appear to be a bunch of accountants and/or Office Monkeys who at times don't know a great deal about their own 'vintage' or older instruments. They can (and often will) quote you the spec straight off their website but the number of times people have been convinced that their 88 SSI has an Ovankol neck because that's what the folks at 'W' HQ state a SSI neck wood is! Ah! Comments like that may explain why I never get invited by HP Wilfer to the Office parties and why I can't access the Warwick forum at the minute... the barstewards have locked me out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well he has response from Warwick and as predicted by Nostradamus here, they are c*ck on with their info and have valued his 'damaged' (BO) Streamer bass @ £1000 - £1500 @ they wish! Subsequently his BO neck bass with the damaged control cavity has gone up in value from £600 to £900. Luke mate, @ £600 you've undervalued your 'undamaged' NT SSI. In fact going off Warwick's used price list we should all be expecting at least £1500 - £2000 for a used NT SSI. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Warwick-Streamer-Active-Bass_W0QQitemZ140298390102QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Warwick-Streamer-Act...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_u_y_* Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='396045' date='Jan 31 2009, 11:44 AM']Well he has response from Warwick and as predicted by Nostradamus here, they are c*ck on with their info and have valued his 'damaged' (BO) Streamer bass @ £1000 - £1500 @ they wish! Subsequently his BO neck bass with the damaged control cavity has gone up in value from £600 to £900. Luke mate, @ £600 you've undervalued your 'undamaged' NT SSI. In fact going off Warwick's used price list we should all be expecting at least £1500 - £2000 for a used NT SSI. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Warwick-Streamer-Active-Bass_W0QQitemZ140298390102QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Warwick-Streamer-Act...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/quote] Whoa! That's a massive overvaluation! I wonder if that's just reflecting the recent change in the Euro-Pound rate. Might seem like a reasonable price in Euros. As I learned on my trip to Madrid few weeks back, €5 for a pint is reasonable, whereas £5 isn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='395946' date='Jan 31 2009, 08:37 AM']Fair does! The guy has pulled the listing until he can look into the spec of the bass. A good sign that he may well be a genuine seller with no knowledge of a bass that he has owned for 7 years. However, he has one flaw in his plan... he has said he'll get the info direct from Warwick! [size=3]From past experiences (and I'll give them the opportunity to get it right this time) the helpful people at 'W' HQ appear to be a bunch of accountants and/or Office Monkeys who at times don't know a great deal about their own 'vintage' or older instruments. They can (and often will) quote you the spec straight off their website but the number of times people have been convinced that their 88 SSI has an Ovankol neck because that's what the folks at 'W' HQ state a SSI neck wood is[/size]! Ah! Comments like that may explain why I never get invited by HP Wilfer to the Office parties and why I can't access the Warwick forum at the minute... the barstewards have locked me out! [/quote] Oops Warwick. I've just reread Warwick's response to the seller's query and yet again a classic from Warwick HQ! Warwick tell the guy his bass has a Wenge neck and fingerboard... fair does they may not be in full receipt of the facts from the seller but to claim it has to be Wenge when it is 'patently' maple is just another example of why it isn't always a good thing to believe the horse's mouth. Sigh! I just can't see them giving me that job any time soon if I continue to pick holes in my favourite manufacturers practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Isn't there a Warwick employee on the Warwick forum? Maybe he should have gone there for advice. John, you are EXACTLY the sort of bloke Warwick SHOULD be employing! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='GreeneKing' post='396065' date='Jan 31 2009, 12:13 PM']Isn't there a Warwick employee on the Warwick forum? Maybe he should have gone there for advice. John, you are EXACTLY the sort of bloke Warwick SHOULD be employing! Peter[/quote] TBH Peter there are several knowledgeable guys high up on the 'W' forum whether they are on the pay-role or not I don't know. re. who Warwick [b]should[/b] employ - There-in is the problem, when the man pays your wages you sing what the man wants to hear; I have a lot of experience with Warwicks and I know the pros and cons of their basses, I know the range reasonably well and I can tell a duffer at 20 paces (OK that's a bit poetic ) and with impunity I'll discuss my views re. Wick jack-sockets or the occasional foible with truss-rod direction etc. but I'm not sure it's what they'd want to hear what I had to say. I'll happily give advice about Warwicks (especially the earlier models, I'll be the first to admit I have little interest in 'some' of the stuff Warwick ave produced over the years) on any forum... whether people want to hear what someone like me has to say is another matter. I gave that eBay guy advice re. what his bass is and it's value (bearing in mind the damage) but sometimes the truth hurts. At the end of the day a bass is worth what someone will pay, I have a couple of basses up for sale and I know what they are; to some people the relative values may be high but I know when something is worth £600 or £1600 regardless of whether it is my bass or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='396045' date='Jan 31 2009, 11:44 AM']Subsequently his BO neck bass with the damaged control cavity has gone up in value from £600 to £900. Luke mate, @ £600 you've undervalued your 'undamaged' NT SSI. In fact going off Warwick's used price list we should all be expecting at least £1500 - £2000 for a used NT SSI. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Warwick-Streamer-Active-Bass_W0QQitemZ140298390102QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Warwick-Streamer-Act...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/quote] i think i'm realising that... given i have just looked in my bank account and I'm not going to starve to death I think I may just hold onto it. Its not worth selling at the moment. I may even find a nice tone out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ednaplate Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='396090' date='Jan 31 2009, 12:41 PM']TBH Peter there are several knowledgeable guys high up on the 'W' forum whether they are on the pay-role or not I don't know. re. who Warwick [b]should[/b] employ - There-in is the problem, when the man pays your wages you sing what the man wants to hear; I have a lot of experience with Warwicks and I know the pros and cons of their basses, I know the range reasonably well and I can tell a duffer at 20 paces (OK that's a bit poetic ) and with impunity I'll discuss my views re. Wick jack-sockets or the occasional foible with truss-rod direction etc. but I'm not sure it's what they'd want to hear what I had to say. I'll happily give advice about Warwicks (especially the earlier models, I'll be the first to admit I have little interest in 'some' of the stuff Warwick ave produced over the years) on any forum... whether people want to hear what someone like me has to say is another matter. I gave that eBay guy advice re. what his bass is and it's value (bearing in mind the damage) but sometimes the truth hurts. At the end of the day a bass is worth what someone will pay, I have a couple of basses up for sale and I know what they are; to some people the relative values may be high but I know when something is worth £600 or £1600 regardless of whether it is my bass or not.[/quote] Is it possible in that case then that the truss rod cover is not original? I don't know enough about Warwicks to be sure enough about details like that... although my 92 Streamer is most definitely NOT a bolt-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='ednaplate' post='396147' date='Jan 31 2009, 02:24 PM']Is it possible in that case then that the truss rod cover is not original? I don't know enough about Warwicks to be sure enough about details like that... although my 92 Streamer is most definitely NOT a bolt-on.[/quote] TBH I thought the cover looked like the screws were misaligned a bit but that can happen regardless of whether the cover is original or a replacement. IIRC the original BO Streamers may well have had covers just saying 'Warwick Streamer Bass', the later models may well have gotten the full LX designation on them. I think that I have an old Bassist mag that reviewed the LX model that may show what the TR cover was. However, no matter what the badge (XR3i badge on the back of a 1.1 Escort does not make a XR3i ) it is a Streamer bass which the seller has (sadly) been misinformed about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray_6ao7 Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='396090' date='Jan 31 2009, 12:41 PM']TBH Peter there are several knowledgeable guys high up on the 'W' forum whether they are on the pay-role or not I don't know. re. who Warwick [b]should[/b] employ - There-in is the problem, when the man pays your wages you sing what the man wants to hear; I have a lot of experience with Warwicks and I know the pros and cons of their basses, I know the range reasonably well and I can tell a duffer at 20 paces (OK that's a bit poetic ) and with impunity I'll discuss my views re. Wick jack-sockets or the occasional foible with truss-rod direction etc. but I'm not sure it's what they'd want to hear what I had to say. I'll happily give advice about Warwicks (especially the earlier models, I'll be the first to admit I have little interest in 'some' of the stuff Warwick ave produced over the years) on any forum... whether people want to hear what someone like me has to say is another matter. I gave that eBay guy advice re. what his bass is and it's value (bearing in mind the damage) but sometimes the truth hurts. At the end of the day a bass is worth what someone will pay, I have a couple of basses up for sale and I know what they are; to some people the relative values may be high but I know when something is worth £600 or £1600 regardless of whether it is my bass or not.[/quote] got back from warwick yesterday and there's gonna be a new guy back in warwick uk fairly shortly apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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