spinynorman Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1348843706' post='1819052'] No, but it does make it crap. But why do people have a problem if I call it as I see it? Infinite tolerance of mediocrity and the uninspired is what makes 'live music' a dubious attraction for many. [/quote] I don't have a problem with it. All I would say is that, while I agree with you 100% in principle, when I've been forced into a situation where I've had to sit through a performance backed by a tape, it sometimes wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. Usually because the performer had some quality that rose above the environment. A good singer with a backing tape might be less mediocre than a poor singer with a band. Miming is a bit different. In most cases I think punters don't realise that's happening unless something goes wrong, in which case they feel cheated. There were any number of performers who either refused to mime on TOTP or made it so obvious that's what they were doing that the Beeb had to stop doing it. It's possible there are some situations where you can't avoid it, like the Olympics ceremonies, but even then I don't like it. So how do you feel about opera singers using microphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krysh Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1348841907' post='1819011'] Just out of interest,while many people are happy to see a singer perform with all of the music on track,how many would be satisfied to see a band perform with all of the vocals on track? [/quote] well, [url="http://www.myspace.com/superbadhamburg"]these guys [/url]do it - kind of. and the crowd really likes it. they use a dj who shoots the extracted vocals and the drummer use a klick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Dave Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1348843706' post='1819052'] Infinite tolerance of mediocrity and the uninspired is what makes 'live music' a dubious attraction for many. [/quote] And unfamiliarity with the entertainment provided puts off many more. If you want to educate - start by creating interest by entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 If someone puts some effort in BT's ...and employs a decent producer/engr then they deserve a premium of sorts in their fee... but they had still bettter be good...and she better be hot as well. You'll get crap bands, crap duo's and crap solo's but it isn't about what is fair fair... it is more about the market being sustainable. You can be undercut on any manner of gigs, and your only repost is..."you get what you pay for".. Just try and be worth what you charge..that is all you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I recently attended our local country music club (there I've said it - now I feel [b]so dirty[/b]) and they had a solo 'artist' appearing. He had an acoustic guitar and backing tracks. As he 'played' I watched his fingers - whatever the key, this guy just made random A, D and E chords. The acoustic on the BTs sounded great, but it wasn't him! He just muted the guitar while he was 'playing'. Now that's [s]show business[/s] FRAUD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinynorman Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1349198488' post='1823194'] I recently attended our local country music club (there I've said it - now I feel [b]so dirty[/b]) and they had a solo 'artist' appearing. He had an acoustic guitar and backing tracks. As he 'played' I watched his fingers - whatever the key, this guy just made random A, D and E chords. The acoustic on the BTs sounded great, but it wasn't him! He just muted the guitar while he was 'playing'. Now that's [s]show business[/s] FRAUD! [/quote] That's terrible. I can't think of any possible justification for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I can! 'But the audience loved it' 'He was bringing people to live music who may go on to see other live bands' 'The venue wasn't big enough for a guitarist/singer who actually played guitar and sang' ..... shall I continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinynorman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1349256687' post='1823814'] I can! 'But the audience loved it' 'He was bringing people to live music who may go on to see other live bands' 'The venue wasn't big enough for a guitarist/singer who actually played guitar and sang' ..... shall I continue? [/quote] Is anyone taking that position for miming? I'm certainly not. Performing to a backing tape isn't great, but it is honest, there's no deception involved. Miming, trying to look like you're performing when you're not, is basically dishonest, and, no, it isn't like acting. I know it happens all the time on TV and I still don't like it. It's quite amusing to see a clip of Jack Casady playing with a toy frog hanging across the fretboard, because he's miming, but I'd rather he hadn't done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brensabre79 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Good news for real music venues though, I think we might see more places putting bands on in future. [url="http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/66432"]http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/66432[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 A miming vs backing tapes debate is not about right or wrong but about degrees of offence. Bit like commercial v. domestic burglaries. Those who commit commercial burglaries will always say 'at least I don't do houses'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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