Conan

Dear me! I'm still whiting for a decent pun! Still, no use pouting about it...

Thanks molan I think we may have slightly different ways of phrasing things, and we each interpret each other's words in a way that was not quite intended... such is the problem of the internet! As I've said, I will be trying the Aggie through a couple of other cabs tonight and on friday. I will also be able to try other amps through my cab. I have also tried different leads and cables, and different basses - so I am doing my best to identify the "problem" (although I'm starting to suspect that the problem is my own ears!). I've had a number of amps and cabs over the years, and I have never experienced this issue before. But the only amp I had previously used with my Big One was the Hartke LH500 - which is known for being clean and clear. When I tried the TC RH750 (briefly!) the tone was fine (once I found one!) but the problem was how fiddly the controls were... As Alex has suggested, maybe the clarity of the cabinet and the sensitivity of my ears is highlighting a very minor issue that many others would miss? If so, it is a problem I could do without... I like the layout of the TH500, and I like its basic tone - but despite having tried most settings I can still hear a slight break-up (particularly on higher notes, as described by Jazzyvee). I suppose I could live with it, and it doesn't sound like a fault - but if I can get a cleaner sound from another amp without having to change my cab (which suits me) then i am happy to do so. There are so many brands that I haven't tried!

[quote name='ubit' timestamp='1427211195' post='2727243'] I too, was a bit put out by the title of this thread. It certainly reads like we, the ones that are left are uninteresting and worthless.[/quote] I read it that way too...

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1427209982' post='2727220'] Your definition is a little off of the norm means the amp is ok and saleable as is and just isn't your cup of tea...or your definition is correct and the amp is faulty... ?? IMO, of course. [/quote] If I understand this correctly (and it is not your clearest post!) then we should hopefully have the answer to this on friday when we try the amp through other cabs, and other amps through my cab.

[quote name='mSz' timestamp='1427210136' post='2727225'] From tks webpage: [size=3][color=black][font=verdana][i][b]All UK orders are handled through [url="http://www.bassgear.co.uk"]Bass Gear[/url], if you're located in the UK, contact Bass Gear to or purchase one of the cabinets they have in stock or place your order.[/b][/i][/font][/color][/size] If Bass Gear is an official retailer of their products in UK, I guess this is a good place for the discussion. [/quote] Fair comment - but it did look as if it was going to progress in a rather unpleasant way, and that is unlikely to do anyone any good. Better to wait till it is resolved before posting here I think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROcKPuPvcWU

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1427207369' post='2727150'] It's an interesting point made about alternative social media and if it becomes the standard practice in future for like minded folks with common interests to use stuff like facebook groups then ultimately the days of internet fora will be numbered. I think we're a way off that yet though. [/quote] I don't use FB and never will. I will always use for a like BC.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1427195509' post='2726909'] To me, it sounds like it could be a faulty amp and people are trying to help you figure out if it is or not. I didn't think anyone was saying that your views are wrong [/quote]Maybe I'm being a touch sensitive...

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1427201996' post='2727018'] Good idea Alex - do you have any suggestions as to where one could purchase such a cab? [/quote] TKS?

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1427193270' post='2726875'] And the Fender Twin is particularly liked for its clean tone... [/quote] I though it was due to it's small size and light weight?

[quote name='lou24d53' timestamp='1427192142' post='2726859'] ...taking umbrage to my posts. [/quote]

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1427191160' post='2726833'] I very much liked the TH500 I tried but similar to electric guitar through a Fender Twin, the cleanest sound it does isn't truly clean. It's probably clean enough for 95%+ of bass players wanting a clean sound though - or at least it will be through most cabs. Use a higher resolution cab and it won't sound so clean. [/quote] Totally agree. But some people seem to think that I can't possibly hold that view without being wrong! My current combination of basses, amp and cab does not give me what I am seeking. First World problems, I know - and I could put up with it I suppose... but why should I when there is such a wonderful resource as Basschat that allows me to change amps without even leaving work or home?! I like my basses and love my cab, so the obvious answer is to change the amp. This doesn't make it a bad amp [i]per se[/i], just not suitable for me at this point in time. Just like the Hartke and the TC RH750 - both great amps, but not what I am looking for right now. Of course, if I plan to sell or trade my TH500, I will make sure that it is not faulty.

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1427190651' post='2726818'] ... especially reading what WPD has to say about it himself. [/quote] Where does he elaborate on the matter?

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1427186330' post='2726745'] I didn't know Wayne, or really have anything to do with him. He seems to be very popular with people I do know so I'll have to give him the benefit of the doubt... but to be honest from what I saw of his posting on BC most of it seemed flippant, rude and aggressive... with a slight air of self importance. I suspect there is more to the banning than meets the eye... [/quote] That is my impression too. He pissed me off a few times with badly timed posts that were in bad taste, usually in threads of a "sensitive" nature... But hey - not everyone takes life seriously!

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1427146465' post='2726519'] I'm gonna stand pretty firm on the belief that a TH500 does not "distort" at low levels of gain and with drive set to zero. Without testing your head into a clean cab that doesn't have potential mis-matching issues then you simply won't know whether what you're hearing is a problem with the amp, the cab or just that you feel a low level of 'warmth' is actually distortion [/quote] Oh, ok then. Maybe we'll just have to differ on that one. You know, maybe I should get myself a job in a music shop so that I can be surrounded by loads of bass gear and have lots of time to play it? It would be easy then... But for those of us who work full -time and have family commitments, believe it or not this is not my number one priority at the moment! I will be conducting further tests this week, but they will take place when it is convenient for me and for other concerned parties. If that is not fast enough for some people, well.... "Warmth" vs "distortion"? It's a semantic argument and I don't think anyone is going to win that! To me, anything that adds to (or takes from) a clean sound is a form of distortion. But I am a pedant and a Scientist, so my views may not agree with everyone/anyone else's. Frankly, I'm getting bored with the whole thing now. I am disappointed with the amp, whether it is faulty or not. The cause of the disappointment will vary depending on whether it [i][b]is[/b][/i] faulty or not, but the disappointment remains the same. Lesson to be learned from all this. Sometimes the tone that is "in your head" will always remain there.

[quote name='Matt P' timestamp='1366394270' post='2052091']I'd love to hear what the Aggie head sounds like through this rig, it's been on my GAS list for a while now. [/quote]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1427121846' post='2725978'] From the front it would just like a standard Jazz with a rosewood board, blocks and binding and a matching headstock. [/quote] BRX in "my ultimate Fender" shock!!!

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1427124483' post='2726044'] Best get out there and try a few then... or you'll be hostage to someone else's 'preconception' [/quote] Touche!

[quote name='Number6' timestamp='1427120482' post='2725943'] I'm quite partial to Camembert. Does anyone know if it played a part in the cheese wars? [/quote] Reminds me of the music festival they were going to hold at the Alamo.... It was to be called "Rock a Fort" It would have been grate.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1427122356' post='2725995'] use your ears on the cab instead. If it does what you want/need its great, if it doesn't, move along.... [/quote] THIS!

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1427120352' post='2725939'] I don't agree as the test was designed to confuse. Unless TKS release it as a production cab, the test means not a lot, IMO. and if they did release it, I think they'd have a LOT of work to do around x=over points..?? [/quote] I think you've missed the point somewhat. The test was designed to challenge preconceptions about tone and it's relationship with speaker diameter. As such, I think it was a huge success.

[quote name='MOSCOWBASS' timestamp='1427121619' post='2725972'] At the same perceived output volume it felt so much nicer with the extra headroom. [/quote] Ah I see. Cool. I'll bear that in mind

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1427119905' post='2725933'] I think you need to get out and try stuff and form your own opinions rather than read what other ppl say about certain things...for perspective..?? Your definition of 'distorted' which may mean 'warm' is puzzling. Warm, drivey, grindey ( over driven ) distortion, fuzz is my take in that order..?? YMMV, of course. [/quote] *sigh* Yes, I know that. But I work full-time (usually more than "full-time" in fact) and have a family - so, much as I would like to, I just can't put the time in to try stuff out. So I ask for advice from people on here (and other resources) and try to sift through it all. Sometimes it is excellent and others less so. I accept that as a trade-off or compromise situation. I am starting to realise that my preference for a pure, clean sound is maybe less common than I assumed. I am used to very low levels of distortion, and anything that adds even a small amount sounds (to my ears) to be unacceptably "different". It is very difficult to describe sound in words.

[quote name='MOSCOWBASS' timestamp='1427118595' post='2725921']Still think you should put 500 watts at 8 ohms into your Big One, given my experience with BBt and BB2. [/quote] It's plenty loud enough as it is! My band is not particularly noisy, and my sound is not particularly bass-heavy. As a result, I'm not sure I need the extra power...