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[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1386875289' post='2305871'] That's the problem to my mind, you're possibly suggesting opinions people wouldn't otherwise have. You've also put more than one idea per selection, which means that I can't select, for example 'not tried them' without also selecting 'don't fancy them' with also selecting 'cheap looking but expensive' (not that I would select this of course). If I were Alex I probably wouldn't be overly happy about this thread, and given it's his (and I assume his family's) livelihood, it seems inappropriate. I will add that the last person with whom I discussed BF cabs offered an extraordinary level of detailed criticism, yet on further discussion it was evident that he'd never played one or even seen one, he'd just read a few threads on here.[/quote] I hope it doesn't come across as inappropriate. I have taken into account how (I think) Alex may feel about this, and would be perfectly happy to remove it (or ask a mod to) if he took umbrage. As someone else said though, it is a form of publicity - and that is rarely a bad thing. Not trying to sound flippant or dismissive there... I totally agree about the critics who have no actual experience of the products. Or who have tried one for a few minutes in their house but never gigged one in anger. I think because Alex has been so open and transparent about his products, everyone who reads a couple of posts feels like an expert. And says so. Ad nauseam... I am genuinely interested in the results of the poll, but I have no plans to "do" anything with them. If they are of any use to anyone (BC or BF) then it will have been a worthwhile exercise. If not, it will still have been interesting and a bit of fun. No harm intended. I've added another poll choice which will hopefully fit your criteria better.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1386883133' post='2306055'] I would personally like to understand the pricing structure VS TKS, which offer similar cabs, with very luxurious finishes, [/quote] Well, I took three cabs to my band rehearsal on wednesday - two TKS and my Compact. I tried all three separately and all possible combinations of them together (except all three, of course!). To cut a long story (or review) short - the TKS cabs were significantly heavier. They sounded good, but (to my ears) not [i]as[/i] good as the Compact. My bandmates agreed with this too. I've spent quite a bit of time looking at the TKS range. Yes, there are funky finishes (all at extra cost!). Yes, they offer the choice of Neo or ceramic drivers. But unless my currency conversions are way out, they are only cheaper when you look at the bottom of their range - the little 112s. Everything else is, more or less, similar in price to its Barefaced equivalent. And that's [i]before[/i] shipping costs.

[quote name='SolomonHelsing' timestamp='1386860636' post='2305542'] Funny, and hence why i'm still the only person that went for option 10 [/quote] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k[/url]

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1386853272' post='2305348'] or Alex's own attitude - with regard to the way that he posts on here. [/quote] Ah! Now we are getting somewhere!

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1386853044' post='2305341'] At the premium that the cabs are, there are far too many cons in that list for my liking. [/quote] Maybe - but there are very few people who have listed those as "cons". A sense of balance is always useful.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1386846907' post='2305223'] I went for the couldn't give a monkeys option... In fact why am I even here? [/quote] Your support is appreciated

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1386851794' post='2305305'] Fair enough, if it were Fender, Ric, Warwick I don't see a problem, seems potentially unfair on what is after all a one man show. The web is a big audience? [/quote] Yes, that's a good point. I certainly did not intend this to be a platform for anyone to have a go at anyone else. However, some of the comments addressed at Alex Claber and users of his products have already been excessively vitriolic IMO. He is clearly seen as fair game to some. Besides, I have chosen most of the poll options to reflect opinions I have already seen expressed in a number of threads relating to BF/BF products. If this poll contravenes any forum rules, I have no issue with it being locked and/or removed.

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1386851821' post='2305307'] For the OP, Bill Fitzmaurice = BF as well as Barefaced = BF [/quote] True - but many of the criticisms of BF apply to both IME.

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1386852272' post='2305317'] The voting options are two one-dimensional. I think they are both good and bad. Here's what I think. Pros: Great sounding cabs (to a lot of people) Light and portable Cons: Some question marks over quality of product Expensive for what they are Some question marks about customer service Some question marks about supply chain [/quote] Fair enough. Would that not be option 4? I tried my best...

So far, apart from the one vote for option 1 (which I assume was Alex Claber or someone taking the piss ), the results are going pretty much as I suspected they would

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1386847485' post='2305231'] Why exactly are you doing this? [/quote] Jack's post pretty much hits the nail on the head. I like to think that I am pretty open-minded about things, and that includes bass gear. I have been pleasantly surprised by some cheap stuff in the past (Fender MIM Jazz, Squier Affinity P bass, Hartke LH500 for example) and disappointed by some higher-end gear (Alembic Epic, Spector EuroLX...). But I have never experienced the reactions that BF products seem to engender in (some) people, I am genuinely baffled by the vitriol. Equally, some of the hagiography gets wearing too. The way I see it, BF cabs (or the ones I have tried/owned at least) offer some significant advantages for some users. Yes, they have drawbacks but most owners are fairly sanguine about these. It doesn't mean that we all want to bear Alex Claber's love children - just that we are a bit more realistic in our expectations of a company that are trying to come up with some new answers to the age-old problems of tonal quality, weight, size and cost. The criticisms are, of course, valid if people have actually tried the cabs - but some of the most vocal critics admit to not having owned or even used a BF cab. That I find odd. So yes, some numbers would be interesting. And yes, it is a bit of fun/silliness too. And, like all polls, it is only any use if people participate honestly. No ulterior motives though - I promise!

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1386849721' post='2305273'] What are your feelings about BF cabs?[/quote] At whom is that question directed?

[quote name='Pow_22' timestamp='1386850308' post='2305285'] What about - Ive tried a few (Vintage, Compact and the the midget), not BAD cabs but nowhere near worth the cost. Much prefer my Ampeg and my old Hartke AK [/quote] I guess that would be option five... which, to be fair, doesn't specifically refer to their cost.

[quote name='bh2' timestamp='1386847411' post='2305228'] I've always used RS 66s on my Jazz... super. [/quote] Me too! I get there after a long journey that involved D'Addarios, Elites, Newtones, DRs, Fenders and several others that left little impression. That said, I do like my strings bright and zingy!

[quote name='andydye' timestamp='1386844089' post='2305180'] tried one, liked it, would have another if my EAD was swallowed by a whale or stolen, can't see me parting with it otherwise though [/quote] Bugger.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1386843917' post='2305174'] THere's not an option for my position...[/quote] There is now.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386843656' post='2305168'] [i][b]The Redundant Eiderdown[/b][/i] were a great band, but you really needed to be tripping to appreciate their stuff ... [/quote] Or asleep...

Oh - I thought this was going to be another Barefaced thread... But isn't the main problem the "30" in the name? Is 30 watts ever going to be enough (assuming the rating is accurate) to manage a decent gig? I'd have thought not...

[quote name='ShergoldSnickers' timestamp='1386843606' post='2305165'] Padlock ready... [/quote] I know.... but it might be fun while it lasts!

[quote name='andydye' timestamp='1386843178' post='2305156'] Indeedy mate, it's a pleasure every time I play through it! ...and a real shame that Dave's just not got the interest in them to warrant making another batch! They're unspeakably amazing! [/quote] If you ever consider selling it.... can I have forst ebbs/dibs?

The definitive answers at last....

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1386842644' post='2305147'] You're not getting a hard-on for me too are you? I've not even been flirting. [/quote] You [b][i]too[/i][/b]?? You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself and make yourself very happy. I'm pleased for you. Which makes two of us I guess...

[quote name='andydye' timestamp='1386840342' post='2305108'] I now have a (sadly out of production) EAD Foundation 212 [/quote] Sadly indeed. I'd love one of those... I suspect that many cabs would sound a bit rough in comparison (to what I've read/heard).

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1386840249' post='2305106'] You don't need to be a TV chef to complain that your steak's burnt. Anyway, EBS was speaking as a consumer and so is perfectly well qualified to express an opinion. [/quote] It wasn't EBS freak that this post was addressed to. It was Toasted. Like the steak. BTW, some people like their steak "well done" - which is what I would regard as "burnt"!!