TimR

[quote name='rOB' timestamp='1318352273' post='1401061'] Well said. Its frustrating when excuses are given too frequently. This thread just goes to show how important it is to play with musicians with similar levels of commitment and taste in music. [/quote] Indeed. But it's very difficult to find a band like that. Our Drummer is self employed and doesn't work in the evening. One guitarist is an engineer working 9-5. The other guitarist is the owner of a medium sized IT company in central London. I work 8-4 but if I have to finish something I have to stay. I also have small children. It's much better to find a band with people who are flexible and know what life is about. The last band I played in we all got ripped apart by the drummer if we were even slightly late to a practice or a gig. Despite us all telling him that kids don't behave when they know you are trying to get out and not to start rehearsals at 7.30pm because bedtime is 7:30pm. But then again he has no kids, left work at 5pm regardless of how much work he had on, went to the gym for an hour, went home ate his dinner then went to rehearsal.

[quote name='algmusic' timestamp='1318331351' post='1400597'] I don't think you know what a drummer is. A drummer is a musician. Someone who plays the drums isn't a drummer. They just happen to use a drumkit [/quote] As with all things there's a sliding scale. I wouldn't call a drummer a musician any more than I would call a lot of guitarists or bass players musicians. Maybe I'm a musical snob. There are lots of people capable of playing the right notes at the right time and doing very well in bands, but that's as far as it goes and as far as they want to go for a lot of them.

No. I fully understand the physics behind the different types of temprament. I know that guitar will only sound 'right' on its own. Add piano, bass guitar, saxaphone or any other instrument tuned to equal temprament and you are in trouble. Try playing it with a trumpet or voilin and you'll confuse the hell out of the musician who will have to continually adapt what they are playing to stay in tune. Its a curioso of no practical use whatsoever. But it is important in this discussion because it shows that there are people out there trying to be more perfect than they should and getting it very wrong.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1318276609' post='1400057'] First decent session I did, I tuned by ear...and then had to live with engr talking about bass being out of tune. Well, I couldn't hear it and I am sure I wasn't, but went straight out and bought one after that. I wasn't confident enough or experienced enough to argue with him..which I would do so now..but then I would have a tuner to hand anyhow. Why make things complicated for yourself.... ? It shouldn't even be an issue now .. and that should be a good thing. [/quote] That's the problem with engineers. They can hear pins drop a mile away, tell you what mic was used to hear the pin drop, how old the tape was that they recorded the pin dropping and what the resonant frequency of the vibrating pin was. Leave them to recording and let us worry about the notes.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1318276503' post='1400052'] Holy crap, I thought this was a joke! [/quote] Another product in the long list of Sanke Oils produced by people who believe without understanding and bought by people with more money than sense.

Erm yes thanks lads, that's the same link as BigRedX put up. I meant Tommy Denander made it up.

True temprament. He made that up didn't he? I've heard of Equal and Mean Tone but True?

[quote name='algmusic' timestamp='1318258398' post='1399765'] ... Rant over.. I know most of this is a joke, but maybe the drummer side of me is getting sensitive [/quote] Yep. You need to realise there is a big difference between a drummer, and a musician who can drum.

The depressing thing is not that they say these things.... ....It's that we've all heard them.

[quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1318153795' post='1398506'] I remember reading that the sound engineer for ABBA used to triple track all of the instruments, and put one track just slightly out of tune and the other slightly out of time. I think that's one of the things that made them sound so interesting and unique. [/quote] This is similar to what a chorus pedal does. It emulates several instruments playing at the same time. It what you'll get naturally from a brass line. I suppose frets and keyboards make the instrument more likely to be in tune with itself. Thinking about it I can't now see how being in tune could make the music sound more clinical. There's far more going on than just notes. The timing has to be spot on as well.

Possibly. But I think the real story is that protools and endless takes has made recorded music too perfect. We've forgotten what live music should really be and too many people are trying to present an exact copy of what they hear on a recording. Rather than being spontaneous and creative they play the same thing week in week at at practices and gigs. What you are hearing as dull and lifeless playing is just dull and lifeless playing from instrument owners who can copy something exactly but don't actually understand what they are playing.

Mask either side of the gaps with masking tape before you fill to stop the filler from spreading all over the fretboard.

I've been having trouble with gigs where we've not been provided with a decent electricity supply. I want to add something into our rider. Does anyone have anything written in the rider about what they expect that I can copy or reword?

My brother's band have been having problems with power supplies at gigs. On Saturday I was trying to diagnose the problems over the phone when he realised that the one common factor is that this only occurs when they're running off long extension leads. No surprise there then. Anything over 50m is going to start giving them power problems due to volt drop and all the other potential safety issues. The annoying thing is they have a portable generator that they use for outdoor gigs - but only take this if they know there will be a problem. I guess the easiest thing is for them to ask the client but it would be good to have something in writing in their contract and on the web. Something that they can fall back on when they've asked and the client has changed their mind on where the marquee is going and just decided to daisy chain a few extensions together. Do any of you have ideas for wording? What to you do?

What's going on with the bodged bit of chockie block going off to that Jack?

Yes. I was just expanding on what you said. I thought your response was relevant which is why I quoted it. I wasn't disagreeing. Maybe I should have added a +1 [edit] have now altered to clarify.

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1316646434' post='1381039'] Glad you like it! Although the flaw in your idea about driving the speakers better with the full wattage from the amp is that each speaker will be receiving less power. A single speaker at 8 ohms will get up to 200 (ish) watts, whereas two cabs at at 4 ohms will be getting 150 watts each! [/quote] +1 Also: By adding a 15" you will be getting double the volume. By stacking on top of the other you will 'nearly' double the volume again in the lower frequencies. So for the same volume setting on your amp you will be getting 4x the volume out you did before. You'll be driving your amp a lot less. But you will also probably get a much cleaner sound because it's unlikely that the 15"s are now anywhere near their excursion limit. As was said earlier I have always found that adding a different type of cab either 2x10", 4x10" or even another 1x15" will alter the response of the system. It will certainly be more powerful in the lower frequencies due to the stacking in close proximity. You will probably hear more mids too which are punchy and will cut through. There will also be some "random" frequencies cut where the two cabs cancel each outher out and it seems you have been lucky that they sound good.

Art, gamble, exercise in futility. Whatever you want to call it. It's never pretty.

It's now called "View New Content" and there's a whole new host of options to filter it.

Mixing different cabs is an art.

Sorry, missed that it was a combo. I think that the addition of a 10" will be similar to the addition of a 2x10" as you won't be able to run the 2x10" at full volume anyway. I think you will also start to get funny filtering effects with half the current going through the 1x10" and the other half going through the 2x10"

I think in theory that the max power of the combined setup will be limited by what you can put into the 1x10. Assuming that the 2x10 is 4 times as loud as the 1x10 just by virtue of having two drivers in the same enclosure I'm not sure how much extra volume you'll get from adding the 1x10" and then having to run the amp at a lower power. Unless I'm missing something.

[quote name='MacDaddy' post='1371873' date='Sep 13 2011, 02:41 PM']Played there a few times in the noughties. Was told by a mate who used to see the band that the best sound we ever had was at The Horn. Not sure what the parking is like these days, but you had to get there early to get one of the spaces next to the venue.[/quote] I think it's pretty safe on a yellow line after 6/7pm.

What's the name of your band and when are you on?

[quote name='wizbat' post='1370969' date='Sep 12 2011, 07:38 PM']This is being sold to raise funds for a charity from what I can see and I,m sure someone out there'll have that kind of dosh for a good cause and to own one of the gedsters basses as this is the first time i've ever seen him sell one.[/quote] I didn't spot that. That T-shirt is up for grabs too, together with some sticks, a skin and a cymbal. Thought it looked odd that he'd only played it in one song on one night.