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Probably the definitive answer there Foxy. I'll struggle on with this until I can get me another 2x10 Jack, as i really like 'em

Yep its a Jack The 2x10 is way narrower and shallower than the 1x15, but slightly taller. I tried the 2x10 on top this evening after reading the posts, but the sound went a bit naughty. Vol, and bottom slightly disappeared. But then one cab, the 15, is 8 ohm and the Jack is 4 ohm, but i've already been told there wouldnt be much audible vol difference. But, as i keep making changes this evening, i'm starting to get a better sound, and though it will never be ideal due to the cab setup, its certainly improved, and i'm getting to the point where its more acceptable, ( to me ) bar finding another Jack, which is what i really want. One will turn up at some point i expect

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356297278' post='1909003'] This will likely be quite a labour... so small adjustments all going the same way... rather than random cuts and boosts..as thta just confuses where you are with it all... especially as you will probably have to open a menu or sorts to recall where you set everything.. I had a variable pre like this insid a bass...was a nightmare to get to grips with...!! Have to say, dials are easier..even 4 band para's which this seems modelled on. [/quote] Couldnt agree more. I think the suggestion to buy a cheap behringer as the EQ section is looking more succulent ! I have just found that i can fully defeat the EQ section, which i was sure i couldnt before. I did this and heard next to no difference. How weird

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1356296124' post='1908986'] See if cutting as much as it can is audible at 31 hz, cutting stuff your cabs aren't making sound is always going to be a win. Use the sweep to find when the cut becomes audible. [/quote] Tried that Foxy. cut to -15 at 31hz, and then varied the cut from -15 to zero, and didnt really hear a difference. Next notch up from 31hz is 34hz, then 37hz, then 40hz, then 43hz, then 47hz and so on. Doesnt seem to have much effect till we get into the 40's

Foxy, the low as it will go is 31hz, so cut at that freq as a starter ? The low section covers 31hz - 80hz At mo, the Low freq is set at 45hz, and is cut -1

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1356291278' post='1908901'] Buy a behringer bass graphic equaliser for £20 on the internet. It will give you a lot more EQ options than you have now. [/quote] I could, but then i wouldnt run the behringer preamp and the BP8 preamp together, but i would lose all my FX. There isnt the option to defeat all EQ on the BP8

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1356289736' post='1908875'] This, plus I would trry stacking the 2x10 vertically ontop of the 1x15. See if the sound clears up. [/quote] I did try that last night at a gig, and it didnt sound that good, but then i hadnt got the advice here, so with the current advice, i might try stacking again

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1356287935' post='1908848'] Work on the assumption the cabs aren't giving you anything below about 45hz, so pulling down the lows will give you a tone more headroom. [/quote] I can certainly set the low shelf to 45hz, and cut at that freq.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356287288' post='1908842'] I'd work on one cab... the 210, and centre those 4 controls... I wouldn't bother whether this 'true' flat or not... it is where I would start getting the sound.. and it becomes the reference point. I assume you don't have any other filter type controls to confuse things..?? The twang to me, seems to point to a mid hole..which you don't seem to fancy. I think the bass at about 11, and the 2 mids around about 1 o'clock with the intention of filling that hole. I can't hear how the mid controls will fill that hole though. Treble wouldn't be more that 1 either, depending how you hear you sound. A lot depends on how effective the EQ stage actually is. Can you dilute the grind with less gain..?? [/quote] JT , the EQ are not knobs. The only EQ is in the menu system, which are freqs that have to be set. EG on the low shelf which has a minimum of 31hz, i can set that at anything between 31-80hz, and can boost or cut On the mid 1 which has a minimum of 80hz, i can set it anything between 80-250hz and boost or cut. On the mid 2 which has a minimum of 250hz i can set that at anything between 250-1000hz and boost or cut. On the high which has a minimum of 1000hz, i can that at anything between 1000 and beyond to boost or cut. There no other EQ adjustments I backed off the input gain a tad, and this softened the grind a bit, then boosted the output to the power amp,

Very possible its not helping JT, and cabs are not matched, but anyways - i've logged the freq for the shelving This is how they look. Low ---- lowest freq possible is 31hz Mid 1 ----------------------- ----is 80hz Mid 2 -------------------------- is 250hz High ---------------------------- is 1000hz Crossover minimum is 80hz and above ... max is 500hz and above

I'm more partial to the BFM 2x10 !! But the BP8 has a crossover on its 2 outputs, so this can be enabled, if that makes a difference

My amp/speaker/bass sound is not ideal ( for me ) and i'm looking for some help to squeeze out a tone thats suits me. Currently, the sound i get is too twangy, a smidgeon too gritty, with little in the way of low end oomph . I use a 2 x10 and 1x15, though not the setup i desire, its all i have. Preamp ( and FX ) is a Digitech BP8, and instead of the bass mid treble on regualr preamps, I got shelving EQ. ( bit confusing ) If any more info is required to make the suggestions, go ahead and i will post back Cheers

I have the ART X-11 Midi foot controller. I dont use it anymore, as i've moved from the Nightbass to a BP8, so i'd be happy to sell it on if you're interested [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/aemjbb.jpg[/IMG]

I'll give you some feedback after next Friday - cheers Phil !!

I went ahead and bought the Sovereign as gigs are pending, but I'd still be interested in another Jack. Though Lawrence did mention Jacks in this thread ( I dont see any website link of Lawrences' ? ) they're 2 single empty 1x10's and i'd be after a 2x10 The speaker will be here tomorrow according to Blue Aran, so it will be up and running within a short time and it will have to do a gig in a weeks time, so we'll see ! I'll try the crossover, as thats my intention, but I'd still prefer to run the BP8 outs as dual channels, same frequencies, which would require a Jack, but i waited for some weeks for a Jack to appear after buying one here before, but one never did. I'm in Oxford Phil, so not exactly local but thanks for the offer Cheers for your help

Cheers Phil and thanks for your efforts - so ignoring the LF version, the cheapy non pro and the pro both state they're 99db on Fanes own website, so neither of these are actually 99db, and both are 96.5db ? Well as said, I'd prefer another Beta loaded Jack 210, but i may as well be hunting chickens lips. I'm happy to experiment on the cabs, as the cost is not prohibitive. If it turns out to be a mess, i'll just have to sell the 1x15 on, as it will still have a value on its own, and get some friend to build me another Jack

One question on the 2 sovereigns - the non pro is round, and the pro's are an odd shape with flat areas. Is this going to be a problem when trying to mount in a round hole ? [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/2r7bi54.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/66c8ex.jpg[/IMG]

Cheers for chipping in Lawrence - i'd have been interested in a 210 Jack / Omin 10, but i dont want 3 cabs, if that makes sense Pity they cant be stuck together !! I will try the crossover experiments, as its very easy to change on the BP8 I see the ( real , heard ) Vol diff between 350 watt and 500 watt is nothing to write home about. Which means i dont have to bother getting a 4 ohm 500 watt 15" to match my 4 ohm 500 watt BFM 2x10 I dont push my amp very hard, as i have decent output ( 500 per chan @ 4 ohm / 350 per chan @ 8 ohm ) and the sensitivity of the speakers is reasonable

Thanks a lot Phil - all advice noted. I dont mind shifting the wood I have tried to find another Jack - mine has 2 Betas @ 250 watt 8 ohm each, so another like that would be ideal, but they dont seem to be selling much anymore. I think the depreciation on those after someone's spent time and money building them is a big factor. At least 50% loss and more. So, i'm stuck with what i have, but i will try the crossover out of the BP8.... any recommendations as to which Hz value I should send to the BFM ? The crossover allows anything from 80hz and above, upto 500hz and above. I will experiment, but It'd be handy to know your thoughts on this PS is there much of a volume difference ( that can be heard ) between 350 watt @ 8 ohms and 500 watt @ 4 ohms ?

Cheers Phil - appreciate the response. I'm not much of a DIY er, so hows about my BFM Jack 2x10 being the cab that does the mids ? Would that change your mind about maybe using the Pro version instead ? It would mean running a 1x15 and a 2x10 and you dont always hear good things about this set up, but I'm not looking for perfection. As said earlier, the Sovereigns are all 8 ohm, and so i'd be running a 500 watt 4 ohm BFM and a 350 watt 8 ohm 1x15 ( my 2 channel amp does 500 watt @ 4 ohm and 350 watt @ 8 ohm ) Do you see any problems with that or should i forget the 8 ohm Fanes and look for another 4 ohm 500 watter 15" ? One more thing, I use a BP8 FX board with 2 channel outputs, and i can run each output at different freqs. I can send the lows to the 1x15 on output 1, and anything from 80hz upto 500hz and above to the 2x10 on output 2

Yeah Phil it is.

Oooh lovely - thanks B Better give Phil time to woof down his sunday nosebag Just to add to prices, i've now seen the 15 Sovereign Pro version for £103, so only about £15 more than the non pro version. The only caveat here at all is that my dual channel amp stuffs out 500 watts per channel @ 4 ohm, and 350 watt @ 8 ohm, ( on paper - i know this isnt real ) and since those Fanes are all 8 ohm, i'm going to be on the lower figure of ( theoretical ) 350 watts, but i'm assuming the perceived volume difference of 150 watts is not summit to worry about ?

Hi Balco W = 24 1/2" H = 26 1/2 " D = 19 3/4" ( as stated, outside measurements ) Yes, the baffle is mounted around 25mm back, and 18mm is probably a more accurate figure for the cab panel thickness

Thanks Phil - appreciated. I tried to calc. the proper vol. of my cabinet, and came up with 6.66 cubic ft, but how accurate that is... -