Jonesy

Jeeze - sorry to hear that, Clarky. Wishing you a speedy recovery and hope you're not out of action for too long.

4 hours ago, TimR said:

 

I don't see it as being nuanced at all. If we are to live in a civilised society, we need to try and follow the laws as they are, not set up our own imagined punishments for crimes that may (and often weren't) committed. That way lies madness, as @Greg Edwards69 points out.

 

This isn't about music and society changing and not being relevant. This is about the musician being targeted for something disparate from the music. And possibly in the OP's case a bunch of people controlling the music that the rest of the band find perfectly acceptable, and for actually no good reason other than what they've been told by the media. 

 

It's exactly the same as no platforming someone because you don't agree with their political views. I have no interest in seeing Billy Bragg or Paul Young, mainly because I imagine there's a fair chunk of their concerts that will be political speeches and statements. I'm happy to go and see U2, because the music is good, and while it has a message in most of the lyrics, the message doesn't seem to be divisive. But I'm not telling Billy Brag or the guys in my band, or my local radio station not to play his music.

Personally I reckon it's not quite as black and white as that, there's lots of grey areas to this. 

You're definitely right about it not being right for people to have their reputation dragged through the mud and lose jobs/careers over allegations that turn out to be untrue, but then there's also going to be times where allegations are made and people wrongly get away with it. That's life (or the result of powerful people with a lot of money having great lawyers and PR teams), but then it's down to an individual to make their own conclusion on how they judge the accused.

In this case it's a lot more serious than someone's political views too. There's loads of artists I don't agree with on the political front, or I think they come across as idiots in interviews, but I still listen to them and go see them live because everyone is different and allowed their own views in life. At this point it's easy enough to separate the art from the artist. It's very different to people committing crimes that are as serious as paedophilia.

An SB2 tribute fits most of your requirements, but has a J neck on it. They're cracking basses and those pups are like a P on steroids, so will be pretty different from the 62ri.

Gutted to hear that Lozz and hope you're back isn't giving you too much jip outside of playing. 

Sounds like you have a good plan lined up though and the JMJ is supposed to be a beast! Do you know what sort of weight you'd be comfortable with? Quite a few Fender Japan models have basswood bodies and are fairly light, so could be an option, although I doubt they'll be below 8.5lbs.

On the plus side, there's a whole new world of short scale/light weight P GAS to go through! 

It's really odd one to navigate this one - at which point is it OK to separate the art from the artist? There's probably some sort of formula that society subconsciously uses to work it out, where how much their art resonates with you is weighed up against the seriousness of their crime and impact it had on their victims. 

Jacko tends to 'get away' with lots because his music was so good. If he hadn't had been so popular, maybe just had a one hit wonder and spent 5 years in the limelight, then would people be so forgiving? Probably not. 

I wouldn't turn an MJ tune off, I really loved his tunes and still like them, but I wouldn't want to cover one in a band. I just don't think I'd be comfortable celebrating his music that way. Having said that, I don't have any issue with other people playing his songs - they're great tunes and if I heard someone else playing them I wouldn't pass any judgement on it.

31 minutes ago, Lord Summerisle said:

I love Bob Vylan, have some of their stuff on vinyl. An early adopter. It has punk attitude and ferocity but I don’t consider them a punk band in terms of musical genre. More rap and heavy rock really.

They're great, aren't they?!  I get what you mean about them not strictly being punk and they definitely have grime in their sound - just thought I'd mention them as they're not formulaic, they're an evolutionary offshoot of punk for me.

Bobby Vylan takes on some guest vocals on an XL Life tune, they're worth checking out too. Although not straight forward punk themselves, but do have shades of 90s hardcore in their sound. 

I like The Chats and Amyl and The Sniffers for a more traditional approach to punk, but then it's hard to find a band that have a traditional punk sound without being formulaic I guess? 

Yet another reason why TI flats are just the best!

Someone who wants a Jazz with flats is getting a great deal!

On 08/03/2023 at 12:31, Lord Summerisle said:

Never too sure about this.

Punk was once about youth and surprising everyone with new ideas. Everything I’ve seen of Rebellion Festival seems to be male pattern balding, beer bellies and 4 barre chord songs where the chorus is just the title of the song shouted 4 times. Pretty much every emotion punk generated in 1976/77 has been lost to a well-worn formulaic approach.

I think this is more of a problem with the media in general and festivals wanting to have headliners people have heard of and not wanting to risk new talent headlining with the chance they won't shift tickets.

Punk had it's hay day in the 70s in terms of media coverage, so bands from that era will have more established names. There's certainly bands out there that aren't formulaic that play punk or have punk influences. They might not be so well known but that's because punk isn't front of mind in society and there's loads of other genres of music to compete with, so they're less well known.

It's a shame because Download is pretty similar. A lot of the headliners are bands from 20+ years ago and they would rather get Kiss, Iron Maiden or Slipknot to headline than giving new talent a chance to shine on the big stages.

Check out bands like Bob Vylan or XL Life if you want a new band that doesn't have a formulaic approach to punk - great stuff!

There is something really great about an SG in a blues 3 piece, especially if your guitarist is playing a strat. The huge low end really fills a space where the strat is so glassy. 

I really loved playing mine but then it didn't sit so well when we got keys in, then I found a P just cuts through and works a little better.

Original band playing grungey punky noise - f u c k Slurry

Blues band - Bearers of Bad Blues

2 minutes ago, greghagger said:

Cheers! I’ve got a similar situation with my two year old daughter who loves music already! 
 

I started the series with Carol Kaye. 
 

 

Ah, brill, I missed that and will give it a watch! 

My daughter likes to twang the strings of my bass and definitely has her favourite one to play with. She's been wanting to strum her hand across my guitar recently. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it 😂

Great idea for a series Greg! I have a one year old daughter and have been digging around to find some inspiration for her for when she's old enough to pick up a bass.

Can't wait to see it!

DC's are lovely little things, nice to get around and they have quite a bright sounding pickup for a Gibson. The neck is a little chunky in the hand, not unmanageable, just rounder and more filling.

I had both the DC and a SG for a while and ended up keeping the SG. There wasn't anything wrong with the DC, I just preferred what the SG did and wanted that big humbucker by the neck tone.

The one thing I found slightly off putting with the DC was that the body is a slab and doesn't have any contouring. You can change your playing position to get around it and it wasn't a biggie for me, but it's just one thing to keep in mind.

53 minutes ago, Sambrook said:

How does the Rickenbacker collective feel about the Cheyenne?

They look sweetly simple to me, compared to all the 'clutter' of the normal Ric's...

They look like a Ric and Warwick bumped uglies. Not for me, but I've never played one tbh.

Thanks for the help 😃

I assumed the necks had a gloss finish and were then rubbed down or something to make them relic'd, but maybe they just start off as having no finish and are oiled as well as other relic'ing to add mojo.

Thanks for that Dunk. I guess a modern Fender relic would feel something like your '59, so trying one out in a shop or even finding another original bass somewhere would be a good place to start. Sounds like I have an excuse to walk into a shop and pick up some very nice basses! 

Hello there!

I was hoping some of you lovely limelight owners could help me out with a quick question.........

I've been chatting to Mark (who has been excellent!) about a potential build and am hoping one of you here could help me out - I think it's mentioned here that his J necks feel like the current J necks in use on the US model Fenders, but I'm trying to get an idea of what the finish on the back of a relic'd neck feels like. Would you say the Limelight necks felt similar to a Fender custom shop relic? Just wondering if there was something comparable out there I could try in a shop to get an idea. Mostly because I prefer glossy necks and have no idea of a glossy relic'd neck would feel like. 

Thanks in advance!

10 hours ago, SteveXFR said:

 

Exactly. They have a business model that works well. 

I used to think I wouldn't have a P bass because it only does one thing. Then I realised that one thing works really well and now I've got three of them. 

I used to think a P was pretty boring because everyone had one but, after picking one up and playing it for a while, you realise why everyone has one. They just fit in the mix really well. I've now got 2 and am thinking about picking up a 3rd, which I would have thought was crazy a few years ago.

Speaking of Fender releasing new but old but new stuff.......they've added a few new colours to the player series. Candy apple red Jag and jazz, seafoam green and CAR precision and a few more left handed options in the player plus line too. 

The seafoam green looks pretty cool...

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/fender-player-precision-bass-sea-foam-green/961833

40 minutes ago, PaulThePlug said:

@Velarian time for your pic again...

Ohhhhhhh, this sounds like a reply I'm going to like.....

28 minutes ago, MungoBass said:

 

I believe it can be.

Ah nice! With the 70s profile neck as well this ticks a lot of boxes for me....oh dear.

It'd be cool if there was no routing under the pickguard and you could take it off. A P with just a metal control plate would be sexy af! 

I really like this though, I wonder if there'll be a Squier version like he did for his Jag? Or if it can be played in passive mode?

I'm slightly bias on this as my Ric has a lot of sentimental value to me, it was my first 'proper' bass and I gigged it a lot through my 20's and 30's so I don't think I'd ever sell it unless I really needed to.

Another thing to consider is that you can get 80%-90% close to a really nice P and MM with a Squier or Sterling. You can't do that with a Ric, there's no entry level model. So they'd be the basses I'd sell and if I fancied a P bass later down the line I'd pick up a Squier.

7 minutes ago, neepheid said:

You beat me to it 😃

I think the bass looks better with a more vintage styled tuner, but would look even better if those shafts weren't quite so long

 

Congrats on the amazing news! Hope you're OK with getting no sleep from here on in 😋

Keep it, the Ric will be easier to teach the nipper how to play seeing as it's a shorter scale length than the other 2. Plus, seeing as they're going up in value, then it's almost an investment for the future. The question is can you afford to sell it now, rather than can you afford to keep it.....

Plus.......look at it.

On a bit more of a serious note, while still trying to persuade you to keep it. Now might not be the best time to sell it due to market/economic conditions, so you should keep it for a bit. I've got a daughter that's coming up to 18 months and was in a similar sort of position to you and ended up selling a few bits. From my experience you don't need loads of things to keep a new born alive and happy, all they do is eat, crap and sleep for quite a while. You have the pram sorted, which is one of the biggest expenses, so I'd keep a hold of the Ric for a while unless you really need the dosh.

Howdy folks, 

With a birthday on the way and GAS being GAS I'm thinking of picking up a Limelight (P with a J neck) and was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to let me have a go on theirs for 10 mins? Doesn't have to be a P with a J neck, but a P would be preferable over a J. I've heard nothing but good things and am sure it'll be great if I went ahead with the build, but I still wouldn't mind a go anyway. 

I'm based in Enfield, so anywhere north of London could be doable and was also thinking of visiting Andertons at some point, so down Guildford way could be possible 😃

Thanks!

14 hours ago, NickA said:

 

 

Still don't see the point of the slab bodied, chrome pickupped, thumpy sounding, passive "Florence" though.  The world has moved on. 🙂

 

 

According to the Reverb list of most popular basses sold in 2022........

https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/11/10/reverb-releases-list-of-best-selling-basses-of-2022/

Squier Classic Vibe Bass VI

Fender Player Precision Bass

Fender Offset Series Mustang Bass PJ / Gretsch Junior Jet II

Squier Affinity Precision Bass PJ

Rickenbacker 4003

Sterling StingRay Ray4

Fender American Professional II Precision

Squier Affinity Bronco Bass

Fender Player Jazz Bass / JB-62 Jazz Bass

Ibanez GSRM20 Gio Mikro

Squier Affinity Jazz Bass

Ibanez SR300E Soundgear Standard

Hofner Ignition Pro Violin Bass

Fender Precision Bass (1970-83)

Fender Standard Jazz Bass / American Professional II Jazz Bass / Squier Classic Vibe ’70s Jazz Bass

Squier Classic Vibe ’70s Precision

Squier Classic Vibe ’60s Jazz Bass

Squier Classic Vibe ’60s Precision Bass

Fender Player Mustang Bass PJ

Squier Classic Vibe ’50s Precision Bass

.........I don't think it's moved on as much as you think!

There's a lot of classic designed passive basses there. Personally I'm not a big fan of active basses. I've never owned one and whenever I've toyed with buying one I just haven't gelled with the tone or looks. Still doesn't stop me wanting a Stingray though, but they're not exactly new or modern.

But each to their own etc...

For me, the pick guard looks better than the bigger guard on the DC Jnr. Plus I dig the chrome pup cover and bridge. All in all, I like the look of it and thought it sounded good in the video with quite a wide range of tones. If I was after a shorty to play in a rock band then this'd be worth checking out.