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thanks guys, really appreciate your support. Seems like it is absolutely the case to check pots, neck and pus date to better understand what's going on with this. As I asked to Gareth, should this be worth 1100/1250 pounds then? thanks Luca

[quote name='gareth' timestamp='1381180590' post='2235603'] [s]this is not a fullerton - here [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/218750-stunning-62-ri/"]http://basschat.co.u...stunning-62-ri/[/url][/s] [/quote] ? anything wrong going on with the strike through option or is it me (as usual) that I missed something.. ?

Guys, if any of you is interested in this topic, I got extremely high level feedbacks from fenderforum, I believe they can be interesting in general, and specifically for who's looking for vintage guitars. [url="http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=790145&lastpost=2013-10-0706:00:50"]http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=790145&lastpost=2013-10-0706:00:50[/url] bye Luca

[quote name='Pinball' timestamp='1380991301' post='2233200'] Well, still not playing it so..........Ill keep it till I need the cash or fancy something else [/quote] my 2 cents: if I got the point you're not a genuine fretless guy. I'm under the impression you are able to but you rarely do. My personal opinion is that playing fretless is more difficult than the fretted. To my experience it's not enough to keep it "reachable" to find yourself practicing on it: you must decide that you want to have hard time with a scope in mind. If I remember correctly Jaco was putting a P neck on the Jazz only to practice on a more difficult ground.. I don't know if you regularly practice at home or not, but if you do I would suggest to keep the bass and try this way keeping in mind that it won't jump in your arms by itself at the beginning. You may either find your new way, or understand that it's not a matter of fretless/fretted. ciao Luca.

The shop confirmed me that the fretwork has been surely re-done at some point and this is why I have the impression that the fretboard was so thin. Guess this should affect the value, the Guide says a good fretwork should be worth no more than a 5% price reduction... Guess it will be very difficult to get an agreement... So sorry because I actually found myself quite well on that one, it could be a good bargain for both at the right price. Let's see what they think about on Fender Forum. thanks to everyone, very precious help as I expected Luca

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1380970359' post='2232904'] I would agree- I think sometimes it's best to ignore the classes altogether. I've played Fenders from accross the range that were dull turds of instruments, and then I've played chinese squiers that have sung like a bell. Mind you it's worth remembering that different models go for different things, my JV '57ri was obviously going for a direct copy, whereas the modern AV '57ri has a lot more modern precision feel going on. The way I look at it, the higher up the range you go the higher the possibility of getting a great one is. [/quote] Yes I think that is the approach one should have.. And I also think that this is true for ALL brands, for example Fodera is no exception. I have already found Foderas that were not worth the money, and nothing better that Fenders in the same shop, and tested also some 8/9000 euro instruments that were really superb. Guess that superior brands will show out great consistency in the level of the instruments they make, and this is why they are praised for, but this doesn't mean that each piece will be at the same level... Luca

[quote name='epoxyjazzbass' timestamp='1380968739' post='2232873'] To my actual knowledge, the logo and sunburst type are not fullerton. I don' t say I know everything ok ? But I suggest you to post on the fenderforum. It' s important because even a real 85 corona fender cannot be sell as a fullerton, and the value is not the same. Concerning your taste, if you find a mexican jazz better than a CS buy it ! I think CS reissue are the best fender ever. But they are not allways the closest to the real deal. A fullerton or a corona RI fender are sometimes closer to the real 60's fender in terms of feel and sound, more direct and simple. The CS is a sort of "boutique" fender with a detailed/complexe sound I have never find in an old fender. [/quote] Thanks a lot for the heads up on this, I'll sure ask also on the Fender forum! I would have certainly bought that Mex Jazz I only it were for sale Don't get me wrong, I do think as well that CS Fenders are generally really good, and I was very close to get one recently after trying it out. But then I tasted another 2-3 (not only jazzes, though) and not all of them were impressive to me. Maybe that's simply normal, and takes us back to the fact that you must try the instrument before getting it (and maybe for very simple passive bolt on basses where no electronic can help this could be slightly more true?), but this also left me with the strong feel that there's a big overlap between instruments "classes".. Luca

[quote name='Rick's Fine '52' timestamp='1380928081' post='2232651'] OK, my two-penneth. Firstly, the bass looks right to me for a Fullerton. The price is top dollar though for even a V00 '82. The double '0' serials are far more desirable than the V0 models, because they are generally '82, and the first year of these are more desirable, and more expensive. Without seeing the neck date, this could be anything from '84 to '89, the V0 series seemed to run forever. J's are rarer than P's. Custom colours are rarer than sunbursts. For my money, if it was an '84, and all correct, and played really nice, it would be for sale, in a store for between £1500 and £1750 GBP, similar relative price in Europe and a little less in the US (There's more there, simple as that). They are very fine instruments though, although the quality did start to drop in '84, and the '82 ones are far more desirable. Original pale tweed case with overly fluffy orange lining is a big plus. If it was me, and I wanted one of these, I'd go see it, check the pot dates, and neck date/stamps, check the pickups are original. If it was all good, played nice, sounded great, truss was free, I'd buy it, for around £1500, in todays economic climate, I'd start the haggle at less. [/quote] Really excellent feedback in my opinion as well The shop says it's a '85, and says that everything is original and perfectly functional and for the moment I'll take this as true: the shop is quite well known here and it's specialized in Vintage. Before offering or buying I'll ask to let me check everything of course but I'm making any consideration assuming they know what they say and they're honest. I asked to provide me with pics of the fingerboard thickness at the nut, explaining that I wanted to understand if the fret work was redone at some point. Once I get them I'll decide what to do. I would like as well to haggle for much less, but it is now out at 2400, and 1500 pounds are 17/1800 euro. To be honest I'm not confident I would be able to get as low.. In the Italian online market there are currently 2 or 3 out and they're pretty crazy with pricing (if compared to the prices I saw here on the market, on TalkBass or on the Guide): privates sell for about 2200, and another shop is selling for an astonishing 3000 euro........ Fender claimed-Fullerton P are all out for 2000 minimum from privates.. Maybe it's just a problem with the country I was born in. [quote name='KK Jale' timestamp='1380933930' post='2232679'] ^That's way more than two pennies' worth of advice, it's excellent. As for me, I would find the finest '82 JV possible, for half the money. But you may already have one. [/quote] I don't have one but I found it. The problem is that I'm not able to test it and to my experience, especially with Fender, this is the essence. I don't trust any origin, model name, or dating when it comes to Fender: in the shop were I found the Fullerton I also tested a Custom Shop, an original '68 and an original (still IMMACULATE) '69 and the Fullerton was the best to my ears and hands. I found really EXCELLENT mexican standard Js that to me were easily worth a Custom Shop in terms of playability and sound... [quote name='epoxyjazzbass' timestamp='1380958457' post='2232727'] It' s not a Fullerton. If the seller want this price and pretend it' s a fullerton.... Well my advice is look elsewhere. [/quote] Why you say it's not a Fullerton? thanks again, Luca

[quote name='Stacker' timestamp='1380876145' post='2231704'] Yes. In my experience, all 62RIs have the thinning of the cap. And, yes, that bass is a bit overpriced! [/quote] So you would consider acceptable (not cheap) around 2k euro? Luca

[quote name='bh2' timestamp='1380795540' post='2230592'] Ooh... price is a bit tops... I'd pass and get a 62RI with stacks new for half the price. I am a tight git though. [/quote] guess that if I won't end up with a new Fullerton jazz this time I'll have at least collected a fair number of nice English lessons

[quote name='Stacker' timestamp='1380792568' post='2230520'] The 'veneer' - or cap - to which your refer thins out and the cap progressed to the heel of the neck on all of the AVRIs I have seen. This may be to lighten the tone in the upper registers but the taper in the cap is correct. [/quote] Sorry but because of my (poor) English I'm not sure if I got it right: do you mean that you noticed a "thinnered" fingerboard towards the neck heel on all the AVRIs, done intentionally for a tone-wise reason in the upper register? What if the fingerboard was equally thin all across the neck? Thanks Luca

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1380754854' post='2230298'] 2400 dollars is about £1500 so the guide is saying £1000-1500, which is about what they sell for I think, if not a bit less (values change, exchange rates move etc) don't get me wrong, the Fullerton Reissues from 82-85, along with the early 82-83 JV reissues all tend to be exceptional guitars and probably worth extra over the late 80's (or even the late 70's maybe). But £2000 is a lot - for that you could get.... a first edition jv, a tokai jazz sound and early Yamaha BB... all great early 80's intstruments with great reputation. Mind you i've just realised that they are all japanese! [/quote] I was initially applying the exchange rate directly and thinking that the bass was all the way overpriced, but then I thought that was not the correct way to proceed. First I should consider that if I want to get the bass from US (a part not being able to test it before paying it) I have to pay shipping and VAT at the custom. If I want to make a parallel/comparison, I should take into consideration that the Italian market is different from the US (US has more availability of instruments and there are more buyers with the money to spend in gear). I though the best way to use the guide is to create comparisons between models, and then see what is the price range in your market for those models... Fullertons 62Jazzes (1700-2400) are more or less in the price range of a current 60Jazz Custom shop with Relic option (1900-2100), and somewhat above a 60Jazz Custom shop NOS option (1600-1800), but of course the price of vintage is affected by more variability (fever for vintage, or claimed-vintage items). My impression is that Custom shops are sold around 2000 euro (range from 1700 to 2400 euro roughly) so I finally tend to believe that a correct pricing for the bass should be around 2000 euro, adding something more if it is really exceptional to your ear (let's say not more than 150-200 euro if you really believe you won't find another one as good in the next few years), and dropping something if there's something wrong (conditions of the intrsument, refretting job??, lack of the original case or the certs, anything else that I cannot think of now..). But this is only my evaluation, I was courious if there was some vintage expert (or Fullerton experienced-guy) who had something interesting to add to this minor thought of mine thanks again to all for your feedbacks Luca

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1380751002' post='2230221'] It depends what you want it for.... like there's no reason to spend £2k on a Fullerton when you can buy pretty much any bass you want at the moment secondhand for £1k or so. But Fullerton prices have started going up recently.... (this is my 30 year vintage rule I think I do find it funny I meantioned my offhand comment that fenders start going up in price after 30 years once... and so far have seen other folk quote the 30 year rule in other threads. I've started a very very very small meme! any way back on topic) but if it's a "vintage fender" investment type thing maybe it's worth it? also 85 seems late for "fullerton" or one of the last? [/quote] The vintage guitar price guide calls for 1700 to 2400 bucks for a 62 jazz from 82 from 84, and 1200 to 1900 from 86 to 99. I guess there are always transition periods and it is difficult to attribute an instrument to a specific class and differentiate it from the following one.. But this to me is also an evidence that the Fullerton American vintage are actually priced for a higher value recognized by the market. It seems actually like for some people (both owners and "lurkers") this is totally not justified by a superior quality, while for others this is absolutely reflected by the sound, feel and playability. This is the most confusing thing for me now. Not sure if this is a sort of fever for vintage-no-matter-what, but as long as it is the market price and we are close to what it is valued for by the market I wouldn't have many problems (a part for spending the money ). Big problem is if I'm paying much more than what their "right value" is... I can always do this if I think that the instrument is special, but I believe this will anyway be a bad investment. Thanks Luca

[quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1380750278' post='2230194'] If you search on the forum you get an idea of what they have sold for but I can say that a few years ago I 'tried' (failed) to sell one on here for less than £1000... iirc a lot less! [/quote] Was it a real Fullerton 62 American vintage, or only a standard jazz bass made at that time? Luca

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1380750018' post='2230192'] That sounds like a lot of money for a '62RI. It would need to be particularly nice to play and sound great to warrant that sort of price. I played a brand new Fender Custom Shop recently that was in a similar price brackets and it sounded really, really nice and I think the CS models will hold value better. I've seen early 90's RI basses that have been excellent that have sold for around the £1,200 mark. Obviously this one is quite different but I'm not sure that the early '80's models are really commanding this sort of value at the moment? [/quote] There was also a custom shop and to me this was better. I know Fullerton are somewhat special, I'm as well not sure if they are worth that money or what should be a "correct" value. Thanks Luca

[quote name='bh2' timestamp='1380742490' post='2229989'] Looks bloody superb... the saddles bother me a bit though. Depending on how much is left on the truss you may need to shim the neck... hmmm. As to price.. I'll pass on that. [/quote] Looks really nice to me as well but for the first time in my life, to be 100% honest, to me in the pictures it is looking better than in real. It is nice but I thought that having it in the hands I would have really felt like having the real thing.. well it is the real thing but I feel it is a real "another" thing.. Makes sense? Luca

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1380738080' post='2229854'] Peoples opinions of how good or bad this bass is will altered by how much it is being sold for - care to tell us? [/quote] I intentionally didn't report the price not to influence the comments on the bass or on the correct value. It is now out at 2400 euro (around 2000 pounds). It is sold by a shop for a private (they will take a charge for that). Thanks for the comments guys, Luca

Hi, just found a nice Fullerton '62 Jazz bass from 1985 here in Italy and wanted to share this and ask for comments. It should be all original according to the seller, case is the original with certs and candy. It plays good, need a good set up (you may notice the saddles all the way down, but I've been confirmed that the t-rod works perfeclty and for the moment let's consider this as true as I have no reason to doubt). I opened this thread because despite the quite good reputation the instruments from this era have (and the quite high value they go for) I didn't find so many threads talking about 62Jazz Fullerton and thought this could be anyway useful for future generations in the same position I am now And obviously I opened this because I wanted to hear experts and people opinion on a couple of details: Do you find anything unexpected or suspected to be not original from the era? I'm no expert at all, but to me it looked all original, it seems the right "pepperoni tortoise" pickguard, the strap button behind the headstock should be accurate of the 60s , the stack knobs are there and everything seems nicely aged. Got no idea of what should be the correct drilling pattern of the pickguard and if this may reveal something strange... One thing that I noticed is that the fretboard seems to me veeery thin to be original from factory, suggesting that this may have possibly undergone refretting. Have you got the same impression? And in the case should this be a reason to drop the value? And last but not least: what would be a good price for this, in the hypothesis that it is sounding good, and it is light and confortable to play? [attachment=145210:body and fb.jpg] [attachment=145211:body back.jpg] [attachment=145212:certs.jpg] [attachment=145213:headstock back.jpg] [attachment=145214:headstock front.jpg] [attachment=145215:pickguard and fb.jpg] [attachment=145216:SN.jpg] thanks a lot guys, Luca