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  1. When you find it, you find it! ❤️ I'm the same with my beloved Trace V4 but even if it weighed twice as much, it's still the one. Thanks, man - it's awesome. 😃 As can be seen in the fourth pic, it lived in my living room for the first week or so. I'm sure a similar setup would look (and sound great!) in your bass room too! Ha. 🤣
  2. The 4 ohm thing won't make any difference - if it's designed properly (and I'm sure it will be) then it'll make it's rated power at 2, 4 or 8 ohms.. 😃 I don't play in a rock band but I expect the CTM would have enough power through the cab(s) you mention - my slightly anemic Fender Bassman 135 is giggable with it's JBL loaded 2x15 and would think the CTM is more ballsy than my old Fender..
  3. When it comes the world of bass amplification, aguably few others have the lineage and accolade of the legendary Ampeg Company -Stanley Micheal and Everett Hull's first bass amplifiers even pre-dated Leo Fender's electric 'Precision bass'. By the mid sixties, the distinctive 'Portaflex' series (most notably the B15) were (and still are, possibly?) the standard by which most other 'bass' amplifiers were measured - there were few products that were designed specifically for electric bass back then. Early examples such as the Fender Bassman 4x10 combo, the VOX AC50 / Foundation 1x18 and the Marshall JTM 45 with it associated 4x12 all worked but each had their own short comings. By the mid / late sixties, musicians were asking for more power and volume so in response, a number of manufacturers, notably Marshall amongst others had designed and built 100w amplifiers but Ampeg ripped up the rule book and presented a 300w amplifier at the 1969 NAMM show. Designed by Bill Hughes and Roger Cox, it was capable of playing clean and loud, had a reasonably comprehensive EQ that actually worked and was to be ordered with two(!) 8x10 cabinets tuned to roll the low end off a little earlier and at a smoother rate than the competion - there was no bump or percieved 'hole' at the bottom anymore. This was almost certainly the first high power, real bass amplfier and so, SVT rig had arrived.. Early examples (known as 'Blue line' due to the print on the control panel) seemingly had some reliability problems when they first went on tour with the Rolling Stones in US; a design issue in the driver stage caused the control grids of the 6146B output valves to be driven positive when pushed very hard. Prolonged use at high levels would eventually result in failed valves so during the tour, SVT amplifiers were occasionally swapped mid-show to keep the music going. Within a year, however, the SVT had been re-designed to use 6550 output valves with changes to the mains transformer spec and power supply rails which seemed to all but eliminate these faults - the Ampeg was to become a solid and reliable performer. The SVT Classic (or CL) was introduced in 1994 as an up to date version of that original 'blue line' amplifier but with some useful modern additions. Most notably, a single input channel design with an improved EQ, sporting a 5 (up from three) position mid frequency control, user adjustable bias, and a balanced DI out to name a few. Several opinions over on the 'other bass forum' suggest some struggle to tell the difference between the 70's and more recently built units. Personally, I've never played through a vintage example although it seems even today, in the era of the modern and lightweight amplifier, the heavy iron, 6550s and useable EQ are still very much a winning formula. Despite being in production since the '90s, the CL is still available as a new product with very few changes throughout that time. Original Classics were built at St Louis Music in the US although production has also been in Vietnam, Korea and most recently China. Spec: All valve design 300w RMS at two or four ohms from 6x 6550 Baxendall style EQ with semi-parametric mid range Additional 'Ultra Lo' and 'Ultra Hi' EQ switches Active (-15dB) and passive jack inputs Master volume Patch points for pre-amp and power amplifier Balanced DI (XLR) output User adjustable bias Front Panel: There's nothing fancy on the largely black and white front panel, it's straight forward and un-cluttered - very much what you see is what you get here. Two jacks, two buttons, six knobs, an LED and two switches. Thats it! Dual jack inputs on the far left are then followed by an input gain control - there's no indicator to show input level so judging it by ear is required. Two vertically stacked buttons engage the 'Ultra Lo' and 'Ultra Hi' which add a degree of 'boom' and 'ping' respectively. The active, three-band EQ is controlled by the following four rotary controls with bass, mid, mid-centre frequency (which changes the character of the sound) and treble controls. The final control is the master volume to control the output and DI level. On the front, there's little else of note other than a slightly noisy, centrally located cooling fan. At the far right are the mains and standby switches with an LED indicator showing the power or a fault status. Rear Panel: The Ampeg has an equally simple rear panel with an IEC connector for power, a polarity switch (which can help with hum - I've never had an issue) and the user adjustable bias controls for the power tubes. Arranged as a pair of controls, LED indicators show the status of each bank allowing the user to keep the 6550s within their ideal operating range over the lifetime of the set. In the middle is an unbalanced (jack socket) slave output (post master) for use as a line out. Further to the right is an XLR socket which is a balanced DI output allowing connection to a mixer or interface for both recording or reinforced live use. Patch points follow the DI with vertically positioned jack sockets for pre-amp out and power amp in connections. Towards the end of the panel, a recessed switch flicks between the 2 and 4 ohm taps on the output transformer with speaker connections at the far right sporting both conventional jack sockets and Speakon outputs. Above the panel, a grille protects the heavy transformers, driver and output valves - all engine room components are clearly visible. Sound: I have to admit, I expected it to be something of a 'one trick pony' simply doing 'the grunty Ampeg rock thing' but was actually very impressed with the scope and power of the straight forward EQ. That 5-position mid frequency control is the jewel in the crown of the SVT allowing significant character changes without altering the other controls. The Ultra Hi and Lo buttons are also very useful for character changes too - the Lo button seems to be more of a low-mid cut than any kind of boost and would suit those looking for a softer, warmer sound - by contrast, the Hi switch brings about a degree of bite and really seems to get the HF unit singing. Personally, I prefer to keep the lo switched out and the hi, in as I particularly like the influence it has on the sound. The big CL is very much a plug and play amp given it's straight forward presentation so even if a player is unfamiliar with it, a good sound shouldn't take too long to dial in. As can be seen in the pictures, my example is used (pretty much exclusively) through the Ampeg cabs, namely a 410HE and 115E so any references to how it sounds (always difficult with words, I appreciate) are with influence of them, too. Whilst the basic identity of setup is quite low-mid heavy which works well for my tonal preferences, I would imagine the EQ has enough control to get most users in the ball park of their own sound. Personally, I use a bit of cut on the bass and mid-range with it on position 5 and leave the treble flat with the Ultra Hi in - it seems to work well enough with most of my basses. There's definitely some natural compression that occurs through the pre-amp stages allied to bit of the valve saturation in the sound too - niether are a bad thing in my book. If the gain control is turned fully clockwise, the drive isn't the sweetest - I find it a little 'edgy' and generally prefer the clean / saturated character. As a player, I'm more Stuart Zender than Lemmy. I do like to use my Digitech Dual Bass Squeeze with the setup (when I'm playing, at least) but feel it's not absolutley essential and for recording a rock sound with a player using a plectrum at the studio. Using the DI and / or miking one of the cabs gives super results with nothing being lost in translation. It's funny, whilst the SVT does exactly what I thought it would, I'm genuinely impressed with just how flexible it is and how convincingly it turns it's hand to any number of other sounds. The other thing these big-bottled-beasts are known for is their grunt and power. It's not lacking! The claimed 300w seems pretty genuine as the EHX branded 6550s play plenty loud enough before breaking up - by the time they do, it's a bit much, frankly. Even on a festival stage or the loudest of rooms, I can't really see the Ampeg running out of steam. I haven't gigged it yet but it's done plenty of sessions at the studio with most players loving it in an instant. Build Quality and Reliability: According to many online reviews over the last fifteen years or so, Ampeg seems to have gone through phases of questionable build quality and QC even before the bulk of production was moved out of the US. Made from all Chinese examples built within the last five years, I bought 'the stack' from a chap who'd bought it all new but simply found it too heavy and bulky to move around. He'd clearly looked after it very well as it still looks new. There's very little to be critical of and irrespective of it's country of origin, both the cabs and amplifier are very well built throughout. Both wood-work and metal chassis / panels feel solid, all upholstery is cleanly and accurately finished along with quality fittings and hardware. All of the jack connectors, the XLR and Speakon all feel solid with a positive 'clunk' when plugging in; the rotary controls on the amplifier are firm without feeling stiff and all the switches have a heavy feel to them which is reassuring. Looking inside, JJ and EHX valves allied with (exceptionally!) heavy transformers are usual hall marks of a well engineered amplifier plus a sneaky peek behind the (removeable) front panel where the fan is mounted exposes heavy looking wires, chunky connector blocks and reasonably thick PCBs. It's probably fair to say the finish is less glamourous than that of my Trace Elliot V4 with it's ceramic sockets, gold-plated jacks, enamled panels plus it's fancy black, silver and green livery - the Ampeg doesn't have quite the same standard although it is no worse made than my other GP12-SMX based Trace amplifiers and associated cabinets. Arguably the difference between an '80s Mesa and a Marshall. My only slight criticism of the setup day-to-day is that front mounted fan as it's a bit noisy. I understand that air flow through the amp is essential given the heat given off by those big tubes but I'd prefer one larger fan running at lower speed on the rear panel like vintage SVT models although, it's far from a deal breaker. Inside the cabs reside Eminence drivers - no complaints here. I've had no need to pull them apart but the 15" driver housed in the 115E is apparently based on a Delta Pro with a cast frame albeit de-rated to 200w whilst the 10" units within the 410HE are slightly less impressive pressed-steel frame drivers, probably variations on the standard range (also possibly Deltas?) with a 2" voice coil and a 125w rating - 500w for the complete cab. The 410HE also has the Fotex high frequency unit used by nearly all the other manufacturers and, much like my SWR cabs, it is well implemeted and adds a lovely sizzle. Having owned it since July 2022, it has been so far 100% reliable. It has done plenty of hours in service at the studio but arguably has had an easier life than most not being lumped in and out of sweaty venues or being stored in cold vans. Time will tell but it's currently not giving me any cause for concern. Other thoughts and observations: As I've hinted at previously, this particular range of gear doesn't fit into the 'lightweight' category - quite the opposite. The SVT head is by far the heaviest amplifier I've ever owned at the best part of 40Kg (90lbs). Oddly, the cabs don't feel quite so bad and are roughly what would be expected for traditional boxes of their size loaded with conventional ceramic magnet drivers at about 30Kg (70lbs) and 40Kg (90lbs) for the 115 and 410 respectively. When lifting them, the balance of both the amp and cabs is generally pretty good with no arkward 'all the weight on one side' issues, handles in unuseable places or anything frustrating like that, thankfully. Since I started playing, I've pretty much only used Trace Elliot amplifiers in various shapes and sizes as they (give or take) do the sound I want without fuss. The V-Type needs a bit of help with an additional EQ unit but it really hits the nail on the head tone wise and is always my go-to. Being satisfied with my sound for the most part, I've never hugely lusted after an SVT or indeed anything else but as the owner of a studio, having an Ampeg option in addition to my existing Trace and Fender setups is pretty useful. Originally, I was looking for a V4BH as the pre-amp is identical to that of the CL so figured tonally, they wouldn't be a million miles apart with the added bonus of not having the monsterous weight or expensive replacement 6550 valves of the SVT. Sadly, I looked for a few months to no avail - here, eBay and Facebook turned up nothing. Eventually, I gave up on the V4BH and looked a bit wider deciding that an SVT was also an option. Having spotted this lot on FB, I hashed a deal out with the seller who was reasonably local (a lovely chap from Southport) plus the charm of the matching cabs proved to be irresistable. I spent twice what I was intending to but it's earning it's keep and is proving to be a hit so I guess it's money well spent. The history of Ampeg is well documented, so much so, there's even been a book written on the subject (which is a great read, btw) so there's no need for me to re-tell the story here. What is worth mentioning is that Ampeg is now owned by one of the largest music companies in the world - Yamaha. Whether they'll feel the need to reinvent the brand with a new line of products in the coming years or will simply leave Ampeg to do their own thing remains to be seen but the all valve flagship models (SVT-CL and SVT-II) seem to still be firm favourites in post-pandemic 2022 - even against their own line of smaller and lighter PF series of amps and cabs. It's unavoidable to point out that both have been in production for a long while now with the original non-pro version of the SVT-II even pre-dating the CL and going all the way back to 1990. There's not many products in the industry that have managed sustain that level of popularity over such a long period of time so in my humble opinion, the SVT deserves legendary status alongside other classics such as the Fender Strat and Jazz Basses and the Vox AC30 amplifier - all time proven. 😃 It looks great, sounds great, is far more useable and versatile (assuming I don't have to move it!) than I would have ever given it credit for - a superb tool. 😃
  4. Good luck, hope it works out for you. 😀
  5. It's been a while since I've owned a 7-band Trace but the SM pre-amp is pretty useable, just don't get sucked into putting a 'smily face' on the graphic! The pre-shapes are quite handy for a change in core tone but personally, I find them both a bit too harsh and boomy without help from the graphic so I use it to EQ a bit of the '80s out. 😀 My advice with these (and the twelve band series) is to know your frequencies - set the EQ flat, switch the pre-shapes out and set the amp for a low to moderate volume then play fully boosting (be careful!) and fully cutting each band returning to the zero point before moving to the next slider - listen carefully. Do the same again but with the pre-shapes switched in this time - see what works for you and what doesn't. Be careful with the 50Hz slider as this will eat power and increase driver displacement costing you potential headroom and percieved volume. The setup pictured should be pretty loud and sound great - the 1153 cab is a great sounding single-fifteen. The BLX combo with the ten-inch driver will play reasonably loudly without complaint plus that HF component will give a bit of 'zing' too. It won't be Ampeg 8x10 loud plus I doubt it'd compete with 100w Marshalls and multiple 4x12s on eleven but, still, it should be eneough for most situations. As stated previously, build quality is generally good with tidy wiring and chunky components, decent wood-work and well finished upholstery. Most techs will happily repair them if they do fail as they're reasonably traditional and straight forward inside. The cost of them being oldskool is of course they're pretty heavy by today's standards. Hope that helps. 😀
  6. Wonderful reply there, Thodrik, thank you 😀. I've never owned MESA or EBS (although I do enjoy playing EBS) gear but looks like our views on the V-Type correlate pretty well - most notably, their 'size' of delivery - very special indeed. I had also hoped that the CTM range from Ashdown might be a nod to the V-Type but apparently not - they're seemingly more Matamp than anything according to threads on here. I did start a 'CTM vs V-Type' thread a few years back but it wasn't hugely popular and the general consensus was the two had little in common, sadly. On a positive note, I did get a reply from Ashdown some years ago regarding the black Tolex as fitted to my V4. To be clear, it doesn't need any restoration work, I was simply enquiring but they did say that if I ever needed anything for it that they would be more than happy to help with which I thought was a lovely gesture. ❤️
  7. I had a bit of my own 'bass bash' the other night comparing these two heavyweights. The V6 is the one mentioned and pictured previously in this thread - it comes to live with me occasionally and somthing I very much welcome! The SVT is mine though, it's the setup I bought back in July. Ideally, I'd have took the V4 (and ran both amps through the same cabs - which I didn't) but the V6 has an almost identical core tone and in some ways, a closer relation to the SVT owing to the fact there's no drive channel or compressor on either. So, the V6 was ran through an Ampeg PR series 8x10" and the SVT through it's accompanying 410HE and 115E. I used both my Warwick Streamer and my VM Squier but I do wish I'd taken my Status with me too - it's been my 'go-to' bass since it arrived. In terms of power and volume, it's tricky to say as the PR cab is a probably a touch more sensitive than the both the Classic line cabinets and, no, I didn't dime either amp but it's definitely fair to say, both are capable of moving the drivers to the point of it becoming pretty uncomfortable! If we are to believe the ratings of each being accurate, there's only 1.5dB of theoritcal SPL difference in them anyways. I know there's the often banded about 'trace watts' in other thtreads on the forum but in reality, I don't think many have bought a full fat SVT and were disappointed in it's volume capabilities either. Being honest, in my experience at least, once you're up past 150 / 200w with a valve amp, there's rarely a night and day volume difference between them anyway - through the same speakers at least. Arguably, out of the two, the SVT has greater flexibility with it's 5-way mid control giving a different tonality / character for each position. The EQ generally on the Ampeg feels a bit more honest and does what it says with greater accuracy and less interaction than on the Trace. That's not to say one is 'better' or indeed, 'worse' but they really are quite different whether I'm using the external EQ and compression or not. The one thing they both have in common though is that 'deep' and 'ultra lo' switch - both seem to be a reasonably broad Q, low-mid cut rather than low end boosts of which I find of no use with my tonal preferences. If we are to get onto questionable terms, the Trace is a bit 'warmer' offering 'size and depth' with each note whereas the Ampeg retains the some of those qualities but is of a more 'bold and up front' nature generally offering a bit more low-mid in it's character which I feel is one of it's more endearing traits. All this is based on my opinion and less than perfect testing so, please make of it what you will but, I can't recall any V-Type reviews that have directly compared them to anything vintage or current. Does anyone have any comparative opinions they wish to share? For my next gig, I might well take the Ampeg and see how it goes - I have little doubt it'll be awesome but I bet for the show after that, It'll be the V4 making a trip out. 😀
  8. Thanks! I'm sure you'll very quickly fall in love with it - they're truly awesome. ❤️😃 Keep an eye on those bias LED indicators as they do occasionally wander off and too long in the red will sometimes result in popped fuses. To be fair, mine hasn't done it for a long time but I do carry a tiny screw driver just in case. Enjoy!
  9. Likewise man, looks like you've been smashing it! The SD12 is a great tool - you can't see it in the pic but there were two at the outdoor gig in Blackpool. I'm more than happy with a Digico and I can say, I've never had a bad show on one either. 😃 I used one at Notting Hill Carnival as a tracking console - overkill, yes but it happily got the job done. I've not done a show on the smaller frame A&H SQ although I've done plenty on the bigger (SQ 6/7) versions. There was one with the dinky Dlive but I can't really fault any of them. 💯
  10. I've not spent much time on the home 02R during the last few months although I took this snap just before putting a test mix together for a friends new group. They loved it, I loved it - wins all round! 😃 I've used lots of Digico, Midas and A&H on shows such as this over the summer which has been lovely - this was Rebellion / RFest at Blackpool. ❤️
  11. I can't tell you if these specific ones ae are any good but I did have an 'Ashton' branded BV300 (300w valve head) which also flies under the 'Fame' badge too. I was very impressed with it - it sounded great and was well built plus it was cheap
  12. Respect to Rob and all those at Status that made these very special basses. It will be a great loss to the bass playing fraternity but hopefully (as suggested elsewhere), the company will be continued in some form - even if it will be different than the one we've come to love over the years. I foolishly sold my first one back in '06 but having recently picked up another, it's even more so a keeper now. 😃 ❤️❤️
  13. Thanks for the info but I went for a 'full fat' variety in the end anyways. 💯
  14. Thanks for the info Paul but the particular V4 in reference there is of the Trace Elliot rather than the Ampeg variety - I should have said. My V4 Mk2 is something of a rare 200w KT88 based amp - essentially a half power V8. 😃
  15. I've had a closer look round the back and the valve compliment looks great too with JJ pre-amp / driver tubes and EHX 6550s in the engine room. I've had good service from both brands - my V4 is fitted with EHX KT88s and has them in for the last 5 years with no trauma and pretty much everything else - including the Fender Bassman has JJs throughout. 😃
  16. I was debating over getting a V4BH for the studio during the last couple of months, I also put a post on here a few weeks back asking about those who'd owned both one of these and the CL. During this time, only one came up for sale on eBay (none on here or FB) but I hesitated and by the time I looked again, inevitably, it had gone. 😬 With no V4BH's to be seen, I thought I might as well go 'full fat' and got this lot instead. 😃 Clearly I've spent a bit more cash than planned but expect the SVT will see plenty of work at the studio..
  17. Oh, that's rough - and painful by the sounds of things!
  18. These monsters were collected over the weekend from a lovely chap near Southport. Barely used, I now have an SVT CL, 410HE and 115E! Really, I've bought it all for the studio but always kinda fancied an Ampeg rig and is something of a contrast to my usual Trace Elliot setup(s!). Initial impressions are very good both in terms of build quality (these are chinese examples) and performance - the biggest surprise is that EQ being very powerful and flexible - I had no issue dialling my usual noise. Whilst I've not yet used it at 'stun' or 'kill' volumes, power certainly doesn't feel like it's going to be an issue! 😀
  19. I decided to give the little SMX a quick once over yesterday and it seems all is well inside. It's good and reassuring to see the Clive Button power amplifier section in there as I had suspected it might have the somewhat more troublesome bi-polar bear - I assume the CB was factory fitted judging by the date stickers and gobs of hot glue. It didn't really need it once I saw how clean it was but I felt better giving the old girl a quick dust out by the fan / heat sink and a squirt of contact cleaner.. 😀
  20. We had this very setup at college back in 2000 / 2001 - it replaced an A&H GS3/V and a 16-track, half-inch tape machine. The only addition to the we had to the Mackie setup there was a TC Finalizer which was usually inserted at the end of the chain via the mini patch bay. I always thought it was ok - it certainly seemed capable and stable although as a teenager who was more interested in being the next Marcus / Stanley / Mark (etc!), I only ever really used it when I really needed to. Today, as someone who regularly uses Yamaha 02Rs (with TC Electronic cards) of the same era, this old stuff still can sound awesome in the right hands and very much capable of running with modern systems - as we all know, it's usually the operator that makes the difference!
  21. My setp-dad built 'Beavis' back in 1996 as part of an electronics course he was doing at the time and a couple of years before I picked up playing. Heavily rebuilt from a burned out Linear L50 chassis with the transformers and chassis being the only retained items, it essentially became a hot-rodded 50w Marshall using 3x ECC83 and a pair of EL34. I've had it modified a few times over the years including the addition of a master volume plus a change of output valves - it's had 6550s and KT88s although now, it has JJ KT77s and apparently makes about 60w. Beavis is very musical and I have gigged it on many an occasion with it offering (just about!) enough power / volume for my needs before heading into 'Lemmy' territory. To be fair, in terms of power, it doesn't really feel like it was much less clout than my Fender 135. It became my first bass amp as my step-dad never really got on with it - he was a Fender / clean guitar player and Beavis didn't really do the 'chimey' thing particularly well although, looking back, it was probably the speakers he used it with more than anything. I made use of it with a pair of Goodmans Audiom loaded WEM 1x15" for bass duties although these days, it's paired with a JBL K140 loaded Ashton 1x15"..
  22. Hi Mike, I thought the V4BH was the one with the same pre-amp and cosmetics of the SVT CL but with the smaller, 4x 6L6 100w power stage rather than the the 'full fat' 6x 6550 300w?
  23. I'd not considered an SVT 2 - it's an option..
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