CrackerJackLee

[quote name='JohnR' timestamp='1478683776' post='3170824']...get involved in songwriting otherwise when the record deal comes around you suddenly become hired help and not on the contract.[/quote] A sober warning. George and Ringo were in the biggest band in the world, but until Paul and John helped them with part-songs, they were out of the big money picture. At least, make a business agreement so that you are not blind sided with poverty while someone walks off with all the money. Your contribution makes the arrangement, which often makes the song a hit. That's why Jack Bruce walked off with the money... he wrote the lyrics.

I went through it... it doesn't last forever. They grow up so fast, you may miss it all and wish you could turn back the clock. Family first! Enjoy your birthright. Nothing else can stand in for a DB very well. But, it looks like your plan to grab an hour of focused practice on essentials during work with a sandwich and coffee is the way to go. It's all temporary, anyway.. Best of luck, Dad!

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1479681826' post='3178485'] Especially with his kids. [/quote] And his friends

Funniest thing to come out of England, those Monty Pythons, eh...? Gawd Bless 'Em...!

[quote name='rushbo' timestamp='1479681451' post='3178478'] A funny picture isn't a denial. [/quote] No, but it substantiates a persistent cultural rumour... Speaking of which, let me present a recent British tourist, jolly and relaxing in the Great Canadian North... [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts"]https://www.youtube....h?v=FshU58nI0Ts[/url]

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1479680487' post='3178467'] My cats name is Mittens. [/quote] Remind me not to shake hands with you...

[quote name='rushbo' timestamp='1479679540' post='3178454'] I think CrackerJackLee is really Carol Kaye. [/quote] LOL! You British... always dressing up...!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1479679245' post='3178449'] We still have Carole Kaye and her recordings, why not try and be yourself instead? [/quote] Yes, of course, Pete, but one should go home with the one that brought them... A pioneer of the bass world deserves better than the internet denigration by male bass parrots. Whether the British Empire likes it or not, some little girl from California grew up to be a bass master.

[quote name='ivansc' timestamp='1479666629' post='3178291'] Someone just posted a B&W film from the 60's of the Temptations doing My Girl in the Hitsville studios on my FB timeline Obviously not the original session, but some great shots of the funk brothers including James. [/quote] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh_Qg4CbM8Q"]https://www.youtube....h?v=vh_Qg4CbM8Q[/url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REfWqBRZ7Sw

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1479677249' post='3178415']I would imagine most basschatters could play most Carole Kaye bass lines if they wished...[/quote] Bass Chatterer [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vCqOdvKd3I"]https://www.youtube....h?v=2vCqOdvKd3I[/url] Carol Kaye [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1KhY2FDBzs"]https://www.youtube....h?v=G1KhY2FDBzs[/url] New Carol Kaye [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJG84wbJSQ"]https://www.youtube....h?v=WlJG84wbJSQ[/url] ----------------------------------- Grooving [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pk2qea3ReY"]https://www.youtube....h?v=-pk2qea3ReY[/url] At NAMM [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI2m5Q7SfPo"]https://www.youtube....h?v=sI2m5Q7SfPo[/url]

[quote name='ezbass' timestamp='1479676370' post='3178403']...Kaye, Babbitt and Jamerson played on loads of tracks, but only Kaye is alive to talk about them.[/quote] Bob Babbitt spoke a lot on this subject. It's a rats nest. Slutsky slanted his entire thesis against Carol Kaye to create controversy to sell his book.. and maligned her until a bunch of MT headed rumor parrots picked up the Slutsky Torch and tried to illuminate the bass world with their new-found cache of net guana... and then start threads to weave a web of lowdown delusion. Due Diligence, EZ... Research what Babbitt experienced about the music biz... [url="http://bobbabbitt.com/Bob_Babbitts_Site/Whos_Playing_Bass.html"]http://bobbabbitt.co...aying_Bass.html[/url] ...

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1479675834' post='3178396'] You forgot that nice Japanese 'lady' that likes to slap? [/quote] Well... Whatever turns your crank, Pete... I'm content just holding hands and pitchin' woo...

And another wee collage from the Cracker...

Here you go, lads... Next time you play with your instrument, don't get caught mindlessly flailing your digits about... It may behoove you to realize where the line originally came from, or at the least, whose great playing it was derived from... Dream on, mateys... Don't get excited! Be Calm and Carry On Her Tradition Even that pleasant, middle aged woman pushing a grocery cart or whipping a broom about the stoop has the potential to cart away or sweep away your self-perceived mastery into the dust bins of history. And all the Slutskyite regurgitations of hearsay lists, historical re-creationisms and delusional lunicide from the shires will never destroy our musical inheritance from this great woman, Carol Kaye. And if you think that she is an exception to the rule, be very, very afraid... Because, just when you based your Empirical Manhood Phallacy on the size of your 4, 5 or 6 banger... There are more on their way to teach you how it's done. Go, Baby, Go..! Oh, Yeah...! Yess... he's learnin' from the best... Half the size...Twice the talent... Don't get mad, chavies...

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1479650843' post='3178102'] Oh God dont tell me she played for Rush as well..... No wonder the Canadians love her [/quote] No... There's only one Geddy Lee... but he plays enough for two...

The problem of crediting musicians accurately is insurmountable. Many resumes are incorrect as the daily grind of years of playing makes it hard to remember everything played on. When interviewed, many will say anything to feed their family. Many albums are released without credits. Often there are no union contracts which would list the names. Songs are recorded and then re-recorded later. Some tracks are re-cut with different musicians. There is much overdubbing and by who? Many contracts are destroyed as they simply run out of room. When the entertainment industry and commercials use songs for background music, a copy of the contract is needed, so they often create mock contracts, and assume certain players had played on these records. History is changed in many cases by creative book keeping. Is the recording a "Live Version" or "Studio Version"? The musicians will be different, but confusion will arise. Do producers actually remember who played on their records? Which studio was it recorded in? Studio A or B or L.A.? Often the group’s BP gets credit because the studio musician was not credited. Although you overdubbed the bass in Motown, the credits may go to the L.A. BP where the original track was cut as the contract was filed in L.A. in the L.A. BP's name. Many bass parts are overdubbed with a plectrum because they need the same notes but with a better feel and better execution. Who gets the credits? Will the group ever be told? My personal belief is that the music industry is a cut-throat business. Who knows who recorded what. Even the players aren't sure. And there are too many revisionists out there. I listen to the combined Carol Kaye, James Jamerson, Bob Babbitt, and Joe Osborne legacy. Who cares who did what. I can learn from all of them. I once recorded some tracks at RCA studios in Montreal back in 1970, winter. Funk and boogaloo rhythms in a jazz style on fretless bass. The recording was taken to Germany. The guitarist and I never heard from the producer again. Credits? Forget it. Whatever he did with them, do you think we got any credit? I didn't even get a coffee. But my only question to the OP and bazztard is "Why did you invest your time and effort in opening a thread with the sole purpose of denigrating Carole Kaye...? What do you gain from that? And Canadians don't stand by while women get torn down by jealous men. We proved that in WWi and WWII. Canadians are not silent on justice.

[quote name='Graham' timestamp='1479637706' post='3177940'] Any chance you could engage with the post quoting Jamerson's biographer, who offers up what appears to be an even handed exploration of the question and finds no evidence Kaye played on many of the big hits she claimed to? [/quote] Slutsky chooses Bill Cosby as his witness. Bill is just not credible. He is being sued in court by numerous women for drugging them and raping them. He is a woman hater. Slutsy is a paperback writer. In America you can say anything... It's the law! He's also part of a money venture with the Funk Brothers. Slutsy ignores Carole Kaye's Union Receipts for every hit she played on. There are many alterations and re-recordings of hits as they progress through their life cycle before the record is pressed. Slutsky ignores this. And who among us can ever know. Many hits were recorded by various talent in the Motown Stable... I Heard It Through The Grapevine by Gladys Knight or by Marvin Gaye...? Which versions are we talking about...? This goes for hundreds of songs. Many albums... Which were Jamerson, Kaye, or Babbitt...? Slutsky mentions Armin Steiner, a self-described survivor, having achieved the kind of career longevity that, in the music business, eludes all but a select few... his past experiences in the recording industry and his current commercial recording work. Steiner's pop engineering credits include more than 100 Gold and Platinum albums with major artists starting in the mid-’60s...Your mother let you build an echo chamber in the basement? And run cables through the walls? Word started traveling. Motown got interested, and I was busy all the time. I had Glen Campbell, Billy Strange, Tommy Tedesco, Dennis Budamir, all these guitar players sitting there at my house. There was Ray Pohlman, one of the truly great Fender bass players and the first man to actually build a distortion device. Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, Joe Osborne, Larry Knechtal, Bill Pittman, Mike Deasy and, of course, Carol Kaye. I 'd get a call at three in the morning from Herb Alpert saying, “I've got to overdub a tambourine on this piece.” I'd be in my pajamas and I'd walk up there and we'd do it — that was that. I used to have The Supremes up there, Marvin Gaye — my mother used to cook for them. Stevie Wonder was in when he was 9 years old. People think I'm making this stuff up, but it's true. It was a different time, a different place. You couldn't do that kind of thing now, the city wouldn't allow it. I mean, it was all illegal. And, always, of course, I'd set it up to have everyone sitting close together. That's very important. If the rhythm section can hear well and feel well together and have eye contact, it's going to be much better for the ensemble and for whatever magic you're going to get from that ensemble. Would you have compressed the bass? No, I very seldom use compressors, except for the bass on rhythm and blues records. I rarely even use them on vocals. I always feel like I can ride the level myself better. Once I hear the melody, I've memorized it, and I'd rather deal with it that way.

[quote name='Raymondo' timestamp='1479637546' post='3177938'] Getting all fired up defending Carol Kaye over disputed Jamerson tracks, whilst having Jamerson listed as one of your interest in your avatar....[/quote] I've been playing along with James Jamerson's Motown work since 1967. He's the greatest bass player of all time. And I get real close to his sound. Just because I defend Carol Kaye against a group of English goons who need to spend their afternoons maligning her accomplishments, and who are jealous of her achievements, doesn't mean I dislike Jamerson. Where is your logic, there...? Kaye and Jamerson are not enemies. They never were. This is not a zero-sum game. This thread should be shut down for disrespecting a true artist. There is plenty of room in the world for their legacies. It's the OP who has the axe to grind. I'm merely removing the grinder. Kaye and McCartney and Brown and Dunn are also my inspirations. (McCartney must be Scottish like Jack Bruce. He can't possibly be English...) Just one check of the internet will show that Bob Babbitt played on Cool Jerk... But it also shows that James Jamerson played on it. Does that make Bob Babbitt a criminal...? Who played bass on Cool Jerk...? I'm sure that some revisionist sitting at his computer and in his world will offer his opinion... without any facts... You don't know how Berry Gordy ran Motown... He contracted out to L.A. also. To Carole Kaye... She has the Union receipts and she paid taxes on that money in the real world... Is the OP claiming to be a Sherlock Holmes to know what went down...? Guys like Slutsky write books all the time in America to put food on his table... and it must be true if it's on the internet, eh...? Some guys are just intimidated by women... Let me tell you... there are a lot of smart, talented, successful women out there playing bass guitar and double bass. Accept it...! And don't tear down the great Carol Kaye... she is a mentor and hero to many women musicians... and to this 63 year man. So put away the coward's bodkins and embrace a fine woman who pioneered the use of Leo Fender's American invention...

You may place me on Colin's "Ignore List" if your little hearts desire, or Ban Me From The Kingdom... But I think the trick here is to not accuse women of lying unless you have some proof. And British people should know better. Why does a Canadian have to come all this way to teach you some manners. Especially someone as accomplished as Carol Kaye. Laddies, if you do it again.. I'll be back...!

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1479628964' post='3177879'] Wow, nothing like making something fit your own agenda. The way I read that last paragraph the OP's question could easily be rhetorical. They are saying she has no need to make these claims if they are not true as she has already proved her worth with other, fine and verified recordings. [/quote] Carol has shown the union receipts... Motown hired her... They paid her for something... You can't prove your conspiracy theory... But she paid taxes on those receipts...! One gets tired of hearing bass players three time younger than her complaining about her without proof... LOL! They're young enough to be her grandchildren... and they have no accomplishments to compare... Carol Kaye was in demand by the greatest producers and artists of our time... She played on the records she got paid to play on... and she has no reason to lie... why would she...? Paul McCartney learned from her playing... Back in 1969 I bought her books to learn how to play bass... Where were you people in '69...? or 1957, when she started recording hit songs..? All I see here is jealousy... What do you know about Berry Gordy's business arrangements...? And this thread was started as a TROLL THREAD...! Spreading lies about a good woman who pioneered the bass guitar... None of you will ever add a fraction of her achievements with Leo Fender's Bass Guitar... Like Southern California, Leo Fender, Rock 'n Roll, The Beach Boys, Chuck Berry and Carol Kaye, none of you will ever come close to copying America's achievements... I can see and hear why you are jealous of Carol Kaye... You want us to worship British Rock bass players... but really... can you hear the soul in your music...? you're all so stiff, there's more rhythm in the beat of a copper...

[quote name='ColinB' timestamp='1479628379' post='3177877'] Listen carefully.... [color=#ee82ee]*ping*[/color].... I've just found the first person to put on my ignore list. [/quote] We'll miss ya...!

[quote name='blisters on my fingers' timestamp='1479607387' post='3177844'] How can...musician take credit for another musicians skills...why...lie like this? Why...does she...steal glory from...far more talented deceased bass player ?[/quote] Why would you start a post on Carol Kaye to malign her? You must be an insecure and jealous little creep... jealous of her bass playing... When the Fender Bass was still a new instrument, Carol Kaye was playing bass like a boss... Motown hired her in L.A. to record Motown Hits... do you think they paid her for nothing...? You don't even have facts... you're just a rumor parrot... [quote name='bazztard' timestamp='1479614699' post='3177849']I don't hear her talent on bass...Beach Boys songs...have very pedestrian basslines...the bassline to "And the Beat Goes On"...makes me lol...her basslines aren't worth learning.[/quote] Johnny... I've never heard of you...What hits have you played on...? You must be the A'HOLE of Australia... Carol Kaye, the woman, played bass on hit records for super stars even before you were spawned... And except for this post, you will die a legend in your own mind...

The only problem I seen for south paws, when I was a kid, I noticed how they had to curve their writing hand to avoid smudging the wet ink, as writing is from left to right. A right hand glides across the paper ahead of the wet ink, but the left hand comes after the ink. That is why teachers were the worst villains. Their objection is very self-serving. Nobody else cares. Especially with keyboards. Other than writing with an ink pen and blotter, there's no merit one way or the other. If I were left handed, I'd get a left handed guitar and string it left handed. But then, great guitarists like Jimi Hendrix, just flip them over and play it all in reverse to a right handed player. But it would get on anyone's nerves after a while, because many. many things and customs are designed for the majority. But look at Paul McCartney and Jimi Hendrix. That pretty well says it all. But there's interesting info on Wikipedia: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musicians_who_play_left-handed"]https://en.wikipedia...lay_left-handed[/url]

I broke my fretting hand middle finger in sparring. As I was not an active bassist at that time, it didn't bother me except on some cold damp days. A few years later as I started playing again, I noticed an ache. But as long as I was careful, it didn't bother me too much, but it did spoil the activity and caused worry. Push-ups bothered it, rapping my hand somehow would bother it. But over the years it has disappeared. Now, I can use a punching bag and play bass and I don't feel anything, even on cold days. If you nurse it, go easy with scales and arpeggio practice, work around it and have patience it does heal. If you can afford it, an x-ray and doctor who leans toward this type of bone injury or even musically inclined, can go a long way. Get a copy of the x-ray or look at it with a doctor to understand how not to stress it. Try heat therapy. You may also be pressing down too hard... Instead of squeezing between the thumb and fingertips, try pulling the hand against the string instead of squeezing hard. If the string doesn't buzz, you are using sufficient pressure. Don't overdo it. Maybe switch from 1-2-3-4 to 1-2-4. Works good for me... and great for superstar bassists... And your daily tasks are not helping. Your injury never gets rest. And because you are a musician, you need to see a specialist. Your doctor is treating you like a coal miner or a farmer. But you're a musician. And finally, as a real doctor about supplements. My doctor prescribed Glucosamine Chondroitin for my finger joint pain. Doc may also have a pain killer, like aspirin, to take the edge off. I used to take an aspirin a day.

I place a Line Driver after my bass to buffer the signal... makes a huge difference...coaxial line also sucks up lots of tone with stray capacitance... this takes care of it all. The boost part is ok, maybe for soloing parts, but the buffer is always on when plugged in. It makes the bass tone sparkle a bit. Without it, the tone sounds muffled. Coax kills tone... that's why you can throw your curly cords in the garbage... Experiment for yourself. Play with a 25ft cord or 12ft and then try playing through a short 3 inch cord, like those between your pedals. You will notice an immediate improvement. The Line Driver is a buffer circuit that not only amplifies, but takes care of impedance matching. I don't care to get rid of the board. I have a convenient volume pedal, Sonic Stomp and MarkBass Compressor along with the Line Driver. Not essential, but I prefer the sparkling tone it provides.