51m0n

Okeedokee skip me old mate from the briney... Get yer ears round this then https://soundcloud.com/51m0n-1/mission-ray/s-xnnqG

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1361294157' post='1984093'] Interesting comments. I can understand musicians getting all precious about their actual instruments but amps and cabs? They're just amps and cabs and not exactly delicate are they? And how difficult is it to remember a few eq settings anyway? Prima donnas might be a bit strong . . . but not by much. [/quote] Crikey you must be utterly awash with dosh - 'just amps and cabs'? How about you lend me a couple of grand and then some, its just money! You seem to have ignored the tales on here from people who have had rigs damaged by ignorant morons who claim to know what tehy are doing? At the very least thats expensive to fix, in my case it would be pretty disastrous, I'm not sure I can get ae410 cones anymore, not since Jim B stopped making them (they are non-standard cones specifically for this cab). Amps are breakable, bad things happen, people do dumb stuff with drinks etc. Cabs are breakable, stupid people do stupid things with gains and volumes and EQ and effects that eventually wreck the cones, tweeters or crossovers or whatever. Bad things do happen. If this kit is expensive or hard to replace why would you risk it for some oik who hasnt the decency to attempt arrange anything up front, thus letting you spell it out nicely for them? If someone is desperate for a rig and makes that clear up front, I bring along an Eden Nemesis 40 watt practice amp, they can stick it right up high and keep their head a couple of inches from it, its surprisingly punchy for only 40watts, and can be heard over a drum kit up to a few feet away. If they dont like it, its not my problem now is it? [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1361303328' post='1984302'] Fair point. They sound just as bad as the kids who won't let the other kids use their football. Good job the sound guy lets all the bands use his PA system. [/quote] Nope, now you're sounding more than a little bit simple , the sound guy gets paid for his time and the use of his rig (and his pay will cover the damage his rig will get or he wont be in business for long). I will hire my rig out too, to anyone with enough cash to pay for the hire, and a deposit of my choosing, they must use the rig in the manner in which I tell them it may be used. If they don't stick to the rules, or anything [i]I[/i] consider bad happens to my rig, I keep the deposit. Would that sound OK? By the way the deposit in this case is four grand cash in my hand there and then, the hire charge is one hundred pounds an hour, including transportation time and setup time and waiting around for our chance of glory time. If thats too rich, then sort your own rig out.... Crikey, I had a rig that could gig within a few months of picking up bass, and I worked the worst job in the world for about £1.60 an hour at the time, it was second hand, very old even then (hint to old farts, it lit up green all along the facia when you turned it on - looked very cool in a dead retro kind of a way), heavy as hell, and enormous, but I could hear it over the drums, so it was good enough, and I could fit it in my sh***y Datsun Cherry with the seats down (just). There is no excuse not to have the kit required to gig, unless you dont want to be doing gigs.

Well I've finally sorted the drums out - what a mission that was Once again no samples were used to make the drums sound utterly epic (well they sound epic to me now anyway). I hate using someone elses kit Guitars and vocals left to fineese (bass was already there before I slunk back into the land of the drum).

Not seen a 600x600 one on ebay for less than the Screwfix price, do post a link old bean

Shall we say entries in by Mon 25th polling to start that day? I'm way off pace with this too this month...

Whats you etimated "done for now" date? Given that these projects never really quite end

Had the exact same eexperience with my Roscoe. Makes me smile every time I play it

Right you are chaps, I'm off to look at microphones and giggle like a 9 year old in a sweet shop with a £20 note found in the gutter outside, thanks for all the input. Fascinating subject

Look, I accept I'm in danger of coming over like a troll, I'm not trying to, and truly am trying to understand the extent of the excitement Beatles influence etc etc So given the last few posts are we saying that no you'd generally be considered a bit daft if you thought that either every individual composition of the Beatles was better than every individual item produced by Motown? Or that I'm a loon for thinking that this cant be right? I just want to understand what the consensus is amongst the Beatles lovers.... What about post Beatles vs post Motown? Most people seem to suggest that the Beatles output was more than the some of its parts, and that the individual members solo work was not as good, by the same token a lot of people would have you believe that the ex Motown stable artists often produced their best work outside of Motown (Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye - admittedly still at Motown he was on thin ice with Whats Going On). Again I'm just interested in peoples opinions... Or maybe I should just go away and think about eq and mics and stuff

There are two people I can think of who I would let borrow my rig. Anyone else can forget it...

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360937572' post='1978654'] I wasn't going to respond since the thread is now going in circles. It reminds me when a child keeps asking, why?why? why? to everything. Because that's the way it is! is the only answer left. Again, I think in most of the cases here the critics either don't get it musically, or they want to appear provocative. It's like being the guy at the party who doesn't think Katy Perry is hot. However, the comparison to Motown is frankly, unanalogous. Motown was a business machine. They hired the best writers, the best singers, the best performers, the best musicians etc. The Beatles were ALL of those things in a self contained unit. Also,[i][b] the Beatles grew in terms of expanding musical territory and social commentary in the lyrics,[/b][/i] whereas Motown was designed to be purely popular music. They both influenced a generation, but the Beatle compositions (certainly the later ones) have far more depth. As far as just "bass technique" yeah, Jamerson wins that one. [/quote] You have heard "Whats Going On" haven't you

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360937705' post='1978661'] I wouldn't draw any conclusions from a lack of response. The thread is 25 pages now, possibly many have said all they have to say on the subject. With respect, probably not your most considered post. [/quote] Doesn't necessarily mean that all areas of discussion have been thought through though does it? About 15 pages were people getting all shouty... Very carefully considered couple of posts as it goes. Everyone getting excited about the chords they used being really pretty impressive just got me thinking, and the first thing I thought was Motown, and the fact is that for me there is no way on earth that everything the Beatles produced is better than anything else, yet it certainly comes across on here that that is the opinion of many. I am trying to understand how fervently people believe this. You aren't trying to suggest that no other output from any contemporary of the Beatles in that period is as good as anything they did are you? So what I am trying to get across is although this is subjective, someone decided to bring the whole harmony/composition complexity thing into it, now believe it or not I certainly think that the Beatles were definitely a 100% professional song writing team, and they were clearly a business too, just one that new it could release any product it liked and succeed like no other (they even boasted of this). So comparing them with Motown seems utterly reasonable to me. So I stand by my post, and my shocked response to the response to that post....

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1360935245' post='1978581'] I think the Beatles output compositionally surpasses all the Motown output. [/quote] So for you Ob-La-Di trumps Tears of a Clown? Wow.........

So no one willing to jump in and claim that the Beatles output compositionally surpassed all the Motown output then? Interesting....

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1360923765' post='1978315'] This one will probably suit... Thinking it might work well with my 6x10 [url="http://www.screwfix.com/p/square-hop-up-work-platform-aluminium/38093;jsessionid=vCBYRpLDD1r9LPR5jmwGj2BLcbQpbCRgxVXfg5sTfsWTyxC8XBt5!1129693404"]http://www.screwfix....XBt5!1129693404[/url] [/quote] Yeah the screwfix jobbie is 500mm high when opened up. Thats high enough for almost all cases I can think of, higher than a lot of 1x15 cabs that would have been used in the old days to do not much other than get some height (flame suit on) when paired with a 4x10. If you shop around you may well find an even taller one though...

OK, can I try a fresh angle on all this? Having watched Howard getting gooey, where exactly do we put the combined output of early Motown compared to the Beatles then - granted there were alot more writers involved, but the core band were the same (mostly) on the early stuff - and largely improvised over chord changes - it borrowed from all sorts of areas (including a lot of jazz, given that the entire band were jazz heads) for harmony and certainly the bass playing was utterly sublime, and again far more rich than anything that had gone before in terms of pop, and I would argue that it was significantly more advanced than most of Maccas efforts....

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/198204-less-boom-and-raising-a-4x10/page__view__findpost__p__1972197 In the thread:- http://basschat.co.uk/topic/198204-less-boom-and-raising-a-4x10/

Damn that is one top class slug balancing act you've got going on there mate, you should be on the telly ...

Yeah I was going the cloth route - green for me, cos its the new black darling. That ae212 looks ace , and its certainly at the "right height" standing on the hop up isnt it!

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360771106' post='1976212'] But we'd have to listen to them on those bootleg vinyl postcards, which will generate lively, healthy friendly debate on whether vinyl is better than CD. [/quote] Jeez mate! I'll need a whisky resupply if we go that way again S'all nothing compared to the wild west days of BBC running his gob off every five minutes all over the place with joyful abandon

[quote name='Fat Rich' timestamp='1360846778' post='1977272'] This'll annoy some of you! Some interesting analysis of their music though: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKK0bCSIR4E[/media] [/quote] Truly fascinating program, Howard knows his beans, I think it wasnt only the Beatles though, there were other bands pushing things along (The Beach Boys for one). Still best argument I've seen in the entire thread that the Beatles maybe offered more musically than I may have given them credit for. Fair play!

[quote name='MartyBRebelMC' timestamp='1360846711' post='1977270'] My hop-up arrived this morning so i shall try it out this sunday - sadly this now leaves me with no excuse not to finish the hallway ceiling!! [/quote] Haha! Well don't blame me

I spot mics, cant help myself, doesnt matter where (on the telly, at a pub, at the bloody bingo) if theres an interesting mic on something I notice it. Its a disease

I'm with you 100%, I always raise my cab off the deck because it just works better for me like that....