Kev

Not a bad shout really, they Chinese basses do seem to be going up in price more than the Canadian, relatively speaking?

7 minutes ago, markbunney said:

I saw this on the FB page. I don’t like the green on the headstocks as much

The red is certainly the highlight of the range, don't mind the black one though.

1 hour ago, fretmeister said:

 

It can be set up to allow some “tuning” variation like bending notes. But it will then always return to original pitch even if the string has been stretched.

 

I'm lost again 😅 so it does allow pitch changes, or can this only be achieved with heavy bending?

1 minute ago, markbunney said:

Another European dealer has one for sale 

 

https://reverb.com/uk/item/68218707-dingwall-jt3-john-taylor-ltd-2023-rio-dream-pre-order

 

quite a difference in price compared to the UK sale price.

 

am holding out for a UK based one appearing for sale

That's wild.  Is the exchange rate that bad? £3k for a combustion is just nuts.  Proper Canadian Dingwalls were a good deal less than that in the not too distance past...

18 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

no, that’s not it.

 

If you pluck a sting hard then the initial attack is slightly sharp and then it settles. If you squeeze a string on the board too hard it goes out of tune. If you inadvertently bend a string it goes sharp.

 

Doesnt matter how well your bass is set up, it does it. It may not matter to you.

 

But with this bridge it does not happen. It maintains tension even if you try a hard bend on a string to TRY and bend by a tone (if you set it up that way) it will not change pitch while you bend.

 

Of course you might not see a need. But think beyond your use. What happens if you are duplicating a piano or synth part and the bass note gets the entirely normal Pitch Arc with the initial attack being a little sharp compared to the other instrument and it annoys you on the recording. That just won’t happen with this bridge.

 

It’s not just tuning stability, it’s tuning maintenance no matter hard or soft how you play.

 

I won’t need it, but I can see how it could be very useful for a recording bass.

 

If I was in the market to replace my recording guitar I’d have the guitar version in a heartbeat.

Thank you, that's made it click for me.  It's certainly clear that it's not for me, as it sounds like it'll suck the life and dynamics out of a bass line even more than what normally happens in a studio!  I can perhaps see the application, but have to say in all the years I've been tracking bass, I've never run into that tiny variance in pitch ever being an issue.  And what on earth happens when you bend a string then, what would that sound like, just the same?? 🤔

So presumably this bridge locks in place somehow, so changing tuning mid gig would be an issue?

Okay, so say for example you have cheap or lousy tuning machines that slip and let the bass go out of tune occasionally, or in different temperatures the neck shifts and the strings thus go out of tune, this bridge will stop that from happening?

It still seems like it solves the most minor of inconveniences though, unless there is something else it does that is revolutionary?  There was SO much excitement on socials when it was announced and I'm clueless as to why, as it can't possibly be for tuning stability.

Took advantage of a rare bit of garden sunshine for a quick snap. 

To suit my preferred playing style/position, I've added a dummy pickup ramp made of ebony I had made by Chris at Alpher Instruments a while ago that I never used.  Works well 🙂

(don't panic, the screws are part of the aesthetic, it's held down with tape 😉)

1 hour ago, BigRedX said:

 

It's a product that has been designed primarily for guitarists and they have decided to test the water with a bass version designed to fit a standard 4-string P or J style bass. It's probably of less use to bass players, but it depends on whether or not an instrument that should only need to be tuned once a day (and maybe not even then) is of any value to you. I'd like to try a version on my Eastwood copy of the Shergold 6-string bass because I thrash the higher strings quite hard when I'm playing "guitar" parts on it, but they are unlikely to make one for such a niche market.

So it's primary purpose is to hold tune?  How can a bridge achieve this,without the tunining machines and lack of locking nut coming into play?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm honestly just totally lost as to its purpose or how it works

27 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

AFAICS it works by holding each string at a constant tension that is user adjustable within certain tolerances - hence the need to stick to pre-approved gauges for each tuning. If you don't do any intentional string bending, the tension of each string should never change. For guitarists there is a compromise with how it is set up the respond to note bends between sensitivity to bends and the ability the the system to stay perfectly in tune. No mention of how it deals with finger vibrato, I suspect that will be too subtle to register on the system.

 

I've got to say I'm intrigued, and would like to try it. It might be great or might be the mechanical version of bad autotune for stringed instruments. Unfortunately as I said in my original post on the subject there's unlikely to be a version that will fit any guitar or bass that I play any time soon.

I'm still not following.

With my regular bridge, when does my string pull out of tune with regular playing, or when does the tension change?  What will the Evertune change for me?

I keep trying to understand what this is and what it fixes.

Someone layman terms it to me.  I play 4 string basses in drop B tuning.  My basses intonate as well as I could expect and never need to be retuned during a typical set.  If I was to use this bridge, when and where would I see a benefit?

2 hours ago, Hellzero said:

Leduc HMP 624 stands for Headless Master Piece 6 strings 24 frets, so the dimensions are almost the same as yours. 😉

YeahI wasn't sure if my "headstock" was a little bit longer, but guess it'd be fairly negligible.

Perhaps I should hunt out somewhere who has the Progo in stock, rather than the PITA of buying and returning if its no good.

6 minutes ago, lemmywinks said:

The EHB1505 is about 102cm, multiscale version will be longer. With the overall length and the elongated upper horn it's about the max I'd want to put in the Pro Go with the extra padding but it does fit nicely, combined with the neck support it's safe in there.

Cheers for that, I auto assumed MS.  Looking at that pic, I'd actually say mine was longer, and I'd be loathed to use it without the padding (really like extra protection at the bottom, the Mono Vertigo is a dream).  Hmm.

That's interesting, as I'd have thought the Ibanez was longer than my Leduc headless, need to get my own tape measure out...

Thanks for suggestions all.

Anyone any experience with the Gator Pro-Go guitar bag?  Looks nice, priced well and seems to have an interior length of just shy of 43 inches?

EDIT: I have since found at least two other internal lengths quoted, one of which is as little as 1003mm, so not inclined to trust this one now...

What are people using?

Imagine there are a good few guitar cases that'll do the job but many don't have the neck/body proportions right for obvious reasons.  Bass cases just seem a waste of space!

Lovely bass!  Was admiring this one very recently on Reverb I think, always wanted one. GLWTS!

33 minutes ago, BassApprentice said:

You are correct.

 

$10600. Wild 

Wait what?? What is it??? It looks like an Indonesian ibanez????

5 hours ago, krd said:

Can confirm that the rio cranberry color is exclusive to the limited 82 run. The regular production model (in seafoam green, black, and white) is coming this summer, according to designer patty palazzo. There are plans for an eventual 5 string as well. But yes, other than the color, drop d, inlay, bag and strings set, the production models are “identical” to the limited run. I think what the poster meant is that all the electronics etc will be identical 

Yeah that's what I thought.  Interested to see how the others look, but there's not going to be a huge amount to set them apart from the other chinese combustions really, bar the preamp.

3 hours ago, Rayman said:

Personally I’d be telling him to do one mate.

Can't tell if this is because of suspected false identity, or something else?

Will and BassBros are 100% trustworthy and reliable, and asking to check the bass before handing over money is 100% how any bass shop would do it, they're never going to take a risk on something sight unseen.   

Though if I was you, you're close enough to Leamington to justify taking the afternoon and going down there, rather than risking couriers or worrying about sending your bass to a stranger.

Haven't been following NAMM a huge amount, no standouts i've seen on socials so far.

Reckon that ibby is going to be around the £1,500 mark

6 minutes ago, pierreganseman said:

Probably sold out worldwide by now. 

 

I hear of "standard production models" coming for 4th quarter of 2023 

 

virtually identical without the fancy bag , inlay on board , D tuner 

 

(disclosure - I'm a dealer) 

That's interesting, definitely against everything I've read about it, that this colour is unique to this run?

1 hour ago, LukeFRC said:

85 one I had I asked Warwick about, 

“sorry the first few years I messed up the ergonomics and the horn is too short” 

Yeah they changed the horn at least 2-3 times since that 85 of yours.  The older ones felt more ergonomic to me 🙃

Every Thumb NT4 I have owned (5) has not suffered what I consider to be neck dive i.e. the headstock trying to drop below parallel, to the extent where my left arm is doing work to keep it up.

Conversely, every NT or BO 5 I have had (admittedly just 2) has had neck dive.  I had a BO 5 that I absolutely loved sitting down, but it was unplayable standing.

I'd always recommend trying a Warwick built between 1999 and 2008 in person before handing over money.  Dog years for Warwick QC, so many badduns, particularly between 2000 and 2003.

Just looking at the pics released, have they got rid of the nicest (for me) feature, the light reddish wood fretboard?