V4lve Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) Hi. Using my newly acquired OLP MM3 in public for the first time this morning and found that it was difficult to mute the bass while I am not playing without messing with the volume at the amp. Problem is that I am used to using the volume control on my bass as a mute between songs. I run my bass flat out and control tone at the amp. The MM3 has separate volume controls for each coil and unless I turn them down together at the same rate one of them picks up the induction loop and produces feedback. The simple fix is to mute using the amp volume, but this is problematic as it is easy to get wrong when I need the level back up. Is there a simple fix to turn the MM3 controls into a volume and blend control? I know I can probably do this by going active but I would prefer to stay passive. Thanks for listening. Edited August 16, 2009 by V4lve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrow Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='V4lve' post='570885' date='Aug 16 2009, 06:11 PM']Hi. Using my newly acquired OLP MM3 in public for the first time this morning and found that it was difficult to mute the bass while I am not playing without messing with the volume at the amp. Problem is that I am used to using the volume control on my bass as a mute between songs. I run my bass flat out and control tone at the amp. The MM3 has separate volume controls for each coil and unless I turn them down together at the same rate one of them picks up the induction loop and produces feedback. The simple fix is to mute using the amp volume, but this is problematic as it is easy to get wrong when I need the level back up. Is there a simple fix to turn the MM3 controls into a volume and blend control? I know I can probably do this by going active but I would prefer to stay passive. Thanks for listening.[/quote] vbt is always best you can then take the hot lead from the output of the blend pot to the tone pot then you dont get that nasty loss of volume when one pup is on part full volume do you use tone at all disconnect it if not and use VB nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='mrcrow' post='570996' date='Aug 16 2009, 08:12 PM']vbt is always best you can then take the hot lead from the output of the blend pot to the tone pot then you dont get that nasty loss of volume when one pup is on part full volume do you use tone at all disconnect it if not and use VB nothing[/quote] Ta. How do I wire VBT? Do I need new pots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD2 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 You'll lose the separate control of the two coils in the pickup but this diagram will give you a master volume and master tone... [url="http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=musicman_passive"]http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wirin...usicman_passive[/url] It's possible the pickup wire colours might be different to the diagram so compare it with the following diagram (whihc should be what you have already) to identify which wires go where - [url="http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=musicman_passive_2v_1t"]http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wirin...n_passive_2v_1t[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 [quote name='BOD2' post='571140' date='Aug 16 2009, 10:26 PM']You'll lose the separate control of the two coils in the pickup but this diagram will give you a master volume and master tone... [url="http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=musicman_passive"]http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wirin...usicman_passive[/url] It's possible the pickup wire colours might be different to the diagram so compare it with the following diagram (whihc should be what you have already) to identify which wires go where - [url="http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=musicman_passive_2v_1t"]http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wirin...n_passive_2v_1t[/url][/quote] Thanks. I was having a poke around this site last night. Couldn't find a blend option... Is there something in the jazz diagrams I could use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD2 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I suppose if you have a look at this [url="http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=jazz_bass_blend"]http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wirin...jazz_bass_blend[/url] and cross reference it with the other MM diagrams and the colour coding on your own pickup, then you might be able to do something. Search this site for "Blend Pots" as well, as there seems to be issues with some blend pots not doing what they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert43 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 The olny new pot you need is the blend pot. The 2 OLP white leads go to the centre leg of the blend pot & blacks to earth, as it is showned in the SD web site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 [quote name='robert43' post='572672' date='Aug 18 2009, 10:20 AM']The olny new pot you need is the blend pot. The 2 OLP white leads go to the centre leg of the blend pot & blacks to earth, as it is showned in the SD web site.[/quote] Ta. Any recommendations on where to source it. Or will any one do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrow Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) [quote name='V4lve' post='573314' date='Aug 18 2009, 06:40 PM']Ta. Any recommendations on where to source it. Or will any one do?[/quote] some blend pots dont come with the cross wiring barts do i got mine from iceni music...mike walsh its wired for the crossover and easier to connect up... ps..i usually put the hot lead into a vol and or tone pot on pin 2...it always works and you get finer volume control do you have a solid shaft or split shaft vol pot Edited August 18, 2009 by mrcrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 [quote name='mrcrow' post='573385' date='Aug 18 2009, 07:57 PM']some blend pots dont come with the cross wiring barts do i got mine from iceni music...mike walsh its wired for the crossover and easier to connect up... ps..i usually put the hot lead into a vol and or tone pot on pin 2...it always works and you get finer volume control do you have a solid shaft or split shaft vol pot[/quote] Both vols are solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 [quote name='mrcrow' post='573385' date='Aug 18 2009, 07:57 PM']some blend pots dont come with the cross wiring barts do i got mine from iceni music...mike walsh its wired for the crossover and easier to connect up... ps..i usually put the hot lead into a vol and or tone pot on pin 2...it always works and you get finer volume control do you have a solid shaft or split shaft vol pot[/quote] Both vols are solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrow Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) [quote name='V4lve' post='573403' date='Aug 18 2009, 08:10 PM']Both vols are solid.[/quote] i think the bart is solid...wait i have one in the next room..dooh its split shaft but as you can see the holding screws for a solid shaft knob do bite in you can have it if you pm your address [url="http://img514.imageshack.us/i/51707731.jpg/"][/url] [url="http://img43.imageshack.us/i/51499119.jpg/"][/url] cheers geof ps dont think i have any fixing nuts but can check Edited August 18, 2009 by mrcrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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geoffbyrne Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 ALTERNATIVELY.............................. Get a tuning pedal & use it as a mute................................ G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 [quote name='geoffbyrne' post='573641' date='Aug 18 2009, 11:11 PM']ALTERNATIVELY.............................. Get a tuning pedal & use it as a mute................................ G.[/quote] Ha. That's a good suggestion. I tried my pedals hoping that batteryless one of them would work as a mute but no luck. I think I prefer the the blend solution as it doesnt require me to change my habit of turning down the front volume. ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrow Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 [quote name='V4lve' post='573480' date='Aug 18 2009, 09:04 PM']PM'd[/quote] in the post tomorrow..thursday cheers geof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) [quote name='mrcrow' post='573417' date='Aug 18 2009, 08:24 PM']i think the bart is solid...wait i have one in the next room..dooh its split shaft but as you can see the holding screws for a solid shaft knob do bite in you can have it if you pm your address [url="http://img514.imageshack.us/i/51707731.jpg/"][/url] [url="http://img43.imageshack.us/i/51499119.jpg/"][/url] cheers geof ps dont think i have any fixing nuts but can check[/quote] Hi Geof. I have worked out how to wire this in but unfortunately it seems the nut required for this pot is larger than the one it is replacing. Really dumb question but...any idea where I could get one from? Are they standard sizes? Edited August 25, 2009 by V4lve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protium Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Simple mute switch on the output? None of this fancy sh*t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 [quote name='mrcrow' post='580679' date='Aug 25 2009, 08:40 PM']yes its a bastard size i think..all the ones i have in my junk box wouldnt go on.. thought!! give mike walsh at iceni music a call or email..say its the pot geof worrall from penzance bought from him in 1998 and gave it to you and lost the nuts...he will laugh his head off... [url="http://www.zootbass.co.uk/3.html"]iceni music[/url] would he send you a couple its a bartolini pan pot with the number on the body somewhere i also bought a bart MM and 2 band eq from him plus a couple of scratchplates for my manson of exeter bass and give him my best cheers geof[/quote] Ta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrow Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) [quote name='V4lve' post='580698' date='Aug 25 2009, 09:00 PM']Ta![/quote] found them i think!!! in the post Edited August 26, 2009 by mrcrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickH Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) As posted above, you could use a mute switch to kill the sound between songs. If you're not keen on changing the look of your bass, you could use a push/pull pot (about a fiver on eBay) in place of one of your existing regular pots. If you go for this, or if you use a regular toggle switch in place of the push-pull, remember to connect the output part of your signal path to the centre tag on the switch. Put the incoming signal on one of the side tags and earth the other. That way your amp is either connected to your bass' signal or it's earthed and silent. If you do it the other way, by putting the incoming signal on the centre tag and the outgoing line to a side tag, when the switch is in the "mute" position your amp's input is basically hanging and will hum like a bitch - the same as leaving a jack lead plugged in and the volume up but no bass connected. *** NINJA EDIT *** OK, my first post had painstakingly drawn-out ASCII art circuit diagrams, which when posted resembled nothing so much as a monkey spamming the O-_I keys while on acid! PM me for wiring diagrams etc. Edited August 26, 2009 by NickH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBunny Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 You need to make sure the blend control has the same values as your existing Vol controls. Eg, if the existing vols are 250K, you need a 250K blend. If the values are not marked on the Vol pots, I would go with the push/pull solution, but again the value needs to be correct.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 26, 2009 Author Share Posted August 26, 2009 [quote name='BassBunny' post='581933' date='Aug 26 2009, 09:49 PM']You need to make sure the blend control has the same values as your existing Vol controls. Eg, if the existing vols are 250K, you need a 250K blend. If the values are not marked on the Vol pots, I would go with the push/pull solution, but again the value needs to be correct..[/quote] Does anyone know what the pots in my OLP are? Difficult to tell from looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4lve Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 [quote name='mrcrow' post='580939' date='Aug 26 2009, 08:11 AM']found them i think!!! in the post[/quote] Arrived today but wrong size.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrow Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='V4lve' post='582566' date='Aug 27 2009, 03:59 PM']Arrived today but wrong size.... [/quote] i am really sorry...they were for something potty...i thought hope you get some soon apologies again steve Edited August 30, 2009 by mrcrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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