Franticsmurf Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 23 hours ago, chris_b said: I played with one idiot who couldn't get the arrangements right from one gig to the next! Several times his " impromptu changes" caught me out and it was very annoying to be told that I needed to learn the songs!! Apart from him it was a good band, with good songs and good players, so I stuck it out. I've had exactly the same experience. The Guitarist/singer took great delight in 'impromptu changes' which, he said, were the sign of a real professional musician and that we should be able to follow him if we were pros too. It was extremely annoying at the time, but I later realised that I had learnt to improvise almost instantly and as a result became more confident on stage. One night we let him improvise the opening to the act on his own and he made a right royal c*ck-up of it. We only joined him on stage after the silence had ended. In answer to the OP - In the band mentioned above, we played simplified arrangements (usually a reduced number of verses) as the 'professional' guitarist/singer rarely rehearsed, which may also have been the source of the 'professional impromptu changes'. We had a longer introduction to 'Psychokiller' which involved the solid bass and drum beat with some odd guitar over it - I quite liked it myself - and at the end of the song we would often swap between it and '500 Miles'. In my current band, many of the arrangements have been modified to accommodate the range of instruments - usually involving a simplification of the rhythm for the ukes and brass - but the songs remain fundamentally the same. Last year we did a version of Pinball Wizard that didn't change key for the last verse because the singer couldn't hit those notes. I had no problem with that and it went down just fine with the crowd. I am not averse to rearranging a cover if there is some artistic merit to it - say to fit in with a band style - but definitely not to showcase a single band member or to overcome the failings of band members to properly learn songs. Quote
Lozz196 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago That’s a great idea, PsychovKiller segue to 500 Miles Quote
asingardenof Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Any changes we make are usually as a result of a lack of talent for a band member, or where the intro goes on a bit and just leaves us standing around, but sometimes just for fun: Two Tribes - an extra bar inserted after the second verse (as the song goes chorus-verse-chorus-verse), increasing the quiet bit from three to four bars, because everyone (apart from me) loses count of where we are. I sometimes worry about the ability of some of my bandmates to count, especially our drummist, because we hardly ever seem to end this song in the right place as well Somewhere In My Heart - horn intro binned Club Foot and Are Friends Electric - long, atmospheric intros shortened Dakota - outro extended to make it end a bit more enthusiastically Quote
Sean Posted 29 minutes ago Author Posted 29 minutes ago 21 hours ago, Obrienp said: Its pretty impressive that he manages to get the solos for Sultans of Swing and Come Up and See Me right, while playing them significantly faster than the originals, Lol! We rehearsed Sultans last week and it was so fast that I was blown away by the dexterity of nailing the solos note for note. I believe that a lot of songs "breathe" better at the right tempo or within a certain tolerance. With Sultans I found that my bass line sounded too busy at the tempo we played it whereas playing it at the "Alchemy tempo" sounds fine. I've found that vocalists struggle too when songs are rushed, their breath control goes completely and then their performance drops off. In a previous band I used to nag about playing songs too fast all the time and was ignored, not even a conversation. I clocked Living on a Prayer at 151 bpm off one gig recording (it's 123bpm on the record), others were similarly fast, then one gig we had a dep drummer who played everything absolutely on the money and afterwards the other three wouldn't shut up about how well we played and how much a great groove we had, how we didn't make any mistakes etc. 1 1 Quote
Obrienp Posted 23 minutes ago Posted 23 minutes ago I agree with you. I always feel we sound frantic and the vocals do suffer a lot of the time. I’m all for playing stuff at dancing tempo but even the most dedicated dancer needs a breather every so often! Quote
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