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    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1472588609' post='3122446']


    And yes. I think it's been proved that things are just a collection of electromagnetic waves. It's only when other electromagnetic waves interfere with them and then activate our visual cortex does anything actually become 'real'. Which is odd because then it's just a collection of electro-chemical impulses.
    [/quote]

    I have a friend who's whole attitude to life, emotions etc is that it's all just electro-chemical impulses. Therefore meaningless, so he pretty much gave up on trying to achieve anything in life.

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1472303146' post='3120188']
    Depends if those people can function after having a drink... I'd expect a couple of pints to have no effect at all..
    [/quote][quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1472304447' post='3120200']
    I'm very fond of a drink, but at gigs usually stick to water. Apart from the playing, it makes the drive home less stressful if you know you have nothing to fear from the breathalyser.

    I've never played with anyone who was better after a few drinks (or the dreaded pre-gig spliff).
    [/quote]
    I have a jack n coke before each set and I'm fine. Doesn't get me pissed!

    I know a couple of people who are better after a drink or two, not pissed tho!

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1472159289' post='3119057']
    Yes, it is tricky, but that's because 'musician' encompasses such a wide range of activities, skills, abilities and a correspondingly wide range of opinions.

    I think I can reasonably claim to be a musician because I can play a few instruments - some adequately, some poorly - have written a few songs and can record, mix and create an album of original songs. But I'm under no illusion that I'm good enough to do these things for a living. I can't read music (well, only painfully slowly) and my understanding of theory is tenuous at best so I'd be laughed out of any 'serious musicians' club. So what does that make me? An average musician? A poor musician? A better musician than the vast majority of people who can't play any instrument? Does it really matter? I am what I am and I play what I play - but the point is I make music and I don't know what the term is for such a person other than 'musician'.
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    Despite what I've said I totally agree with this. I guess it depends on your personal definiton of 'musician'.

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1472206443' post='3119403']
    On the electrician/musician analogy -
    You would hire an electrician to do a certain job, and he/she would do what you asked of him/her (well not round here he/she wouldn't, but that's by the by)

    The equivalent 'musician' would be a dep, or a classical muso - who will play the pieces you ask him/her to

    That's the only real case where this analogy works.
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    Or a school/college/uni as a teacher. Or a theatre company may hire you as an MD. Or film/Tv company as a composer. Or a church as a choir leader. Or another musician who needs you to arrange/write parts. Or an orchestra as a conductor.

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1472158334' post='3119048']
    To me even just recording your own album in the basement is performing, once it's being done to entertain someone else be it live or recorded it's a performance and has artistic merit, the worst dross you have ever heard might be a number 1 hit, the fantastic album might never get burnt to a cd. Tricky aint it?
    [/quote]
    may i just say i don't think being a trained musician makes you a better (artistically) performer, writer etc than someone who isn't.

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1472156900' post='3119033']
    You are missing my point, you can be a musician either by qualifications or as a recognised performer of music, there are many unqualified musicians who I think most of us would agree are still musicians, an electrician without qualifications is not an electrician even if they are good at it, at best they would be described as 'handy' or something.


    If you employed an electrician with certain grades and extra certificates for extra associated skills you should get what you pay for, jib rates even try and pin that down whereas a musician is an artist imo, my neighbour loves opera and classical music, I wouldn't enjoy his music collection and he wouldn't enjoy mine, the level of qualifications gained or albums sold have no bearing on the final unquantifiable product do they?
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    Unless i'm not understanding you you are talking about performance. You can get work as a musician that isn't just performance. Arranging, composing, teaching, conductors, MD's, choir leaders etc. But performance wise, in terms of clasical and opera (obviously talent is unquantifiable) but the better trained (qualified musicians) tend to get more of the work. I have two mates who are drummers. One who is self taught and a great drummer, one who went through The Royal Northern and has loads of qualifications. Guess which one tours the world with the BBC Orchestra, Halle Orchestra, does musical theatre work, teaches in conservatoires and schools etc etc etc and guess which one plays in pub bands and soul bands!

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1472114106' post='3118557']
    As an electrician and a musician (still open for debate) I'd say the difference there is that my qualifications as an electrician are quantifiable where art isn't, does a grade 8 on violin make you any more enjoyable to listen to if the person listening hates the sound of a violin?
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    As a qualified musician(are my many music qualifications unquantifiable) and someone who can change a plug. I'd say whether someone enjoys your violin playing or not has no bearing on whether you are a musician or not.

    When do you consider yourself a musician.

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    At college a lecturer told me that when he was asked what he did for a living he replied "I'm a piano player". People would then ask him what tunes he knew and could he play this or that.
    After a while he got fed up of this, so when people asked him he started saying "I'm a musician". He said people then would say "really!? What drugs do you take".

    Astounding bass playing from Jaco.

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    [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1470584149' post='3106894']
    Maybe you should have that debate in a separate thread if it's nothing to do with this thread then.
    [/quote]

    Well it does, as it was in reply to a statement within this thread!

    Astounding bass playing from Jaco.

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    [quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1470587345' post='3106916']
    I can only think you are wondering what "Heeheehee" means...

    It's just that I h8 using acronyms, abreviations and initialisms such as lol and I dislike txtspk generally. Sorry for any confusion but I thought what you said was funny and I larfed.
    [/quote]I thought you were just laughing at "look mate"

    Van Morrison moon dance - ever REALLY listened to it ?

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    [quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1470573618' post='3106785']
    I'm not a big fan of the song. It reminds me of a couple of experiences in my student days of jamming with people who decided they were going to get into jazz without having bothered to listen to any jazz! For some reason, this song always crops up in that situation. I actually like the idea of jazz-influenced pop, but I can think of some much more enjoyable examples, like some of Joni Mitchell's output.
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    All you've gotta do is stick a 7th and another number on a chord and it becomes jazz. It's easy really! Don't listen to all these jazz guys who want to make it seem like a mystery. They just want to seem intellectual and more talented than the rest of us! It's as easy Katy Perry songs!

    Astounding bass playing from Jaco.

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    [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1470573209' post='3106783']
    Has anyone said they didn't like it without listening to it though? That's what I struggle with when the monthly Jaco thread comes up, lol


    I listened to it and (for me) it sucks :)
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    No, i think what you struggle with is reading and understanding what people have written. My original point on this had nothing to do with Jaco.

    Coilte said that there is a difference between technical music and music that speaks to people. I said that sometimes technical music speaks to some people. I also said that most of it doesn't connect with me. We both agreed on that.
    I then said in general i think if people don't like technical music just because it's technical i find that ignorant. Not you, or people that do listen. But people who automatically dismiss music that is technical and state only 3 chord songs are real and connect with people. I think i've said it enough times now!

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