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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1010924' date='Nov 3 2010, 03:37 PM']No prob with an 8ohm cab. You don't need to squeeze extra watts from a head with low impedance, if you have 2 15s. Alternative style is close the top hole, add a mid driver there, and stick a Kappalite 3015LF in the bottom one, and sort a port. Immensely powerful modern sound and oldschool style.[/quote] So it would be okay with a tranny amp?

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1010872' date='Nov 3 2010, 03:04 PM']That is pretty small.bunch smaller than I guessed, with speakers I was thinking of, gonna end up with a big peak at 150hz or so, boomy rubbishness. Eminence Legend B15 looks ok, but this is looking more guitar cabinet sorta size, where WinISD isn't so handy for 'tone'. Hopefully someone will apply better knowledge, because I'm not an expert on such things. Edit: Browsing Eminence website, [url="http://eminence.com/bassguitar_speaker_detail.asp?model=legendca154&speaker_size=15&SUB_CAT_ID=5"]this one seems to claim to be happy in a sealed box of that sort of size.[/url][/quote] Am i going to be pushing it trying to get this to work you reckon? they arn't exact measurments like, just the lads approximation. besides, them speakers only are 4 ohms a piece, so i'd only have the option of either a 2 or 8 ohm cabinet right? Wont be any good for me when i've still only got a tranny head!! Would be okay with a valve head though i guess. hmmmm pretty bummed out!

[quote name='XPAULUSX' post='1010753' date='Nov 3 2010, 01:43 PM']Just waiting on his reply now, surely if i get them, you can work your magic with that program you were talking about??? I'd be ever so grateful! [/quote] Approx measurements are 34" high, 18" wide and 12" deep, work your magic Mr Foxen

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1010747' date='Nov 3 2010, 01:37 PM']Definitely get dimensions.[/quote] Just waiting on his reply now, surely if i get them, you can work your magic with that program you were talking about??? I'd be ever so grateful!

[quote name='XPAULUSX' post='1010151' date='Nov 2 2010, 10:48 PM']Aw man, seems like i've got a lot more to learn about now. Could treat myself to a matamp 2x15 if this purchase comes off, now a 4x15 would be INSANE![/quote] Yo! I've had more info about the cab, turns out it is part of a PA column and is loaded with Fane speakers. The lad who's selling it is waiting to hear back from someone in terms of it being modified but i'm sure some people on here will have a good idea about it! Apparently, the cab isnt deep enough for a super bassy sound but will have a nice rattly midrange. The lad selling it said it would probably be best to use it accompanied with a seperate sub? Anyone got any thoughts? I should probably ask for the dimensions right? Paul

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009831' date='Nov 2 2010, 05:37 PM']Depends what is in it, might be able to wire it to 16 if it has 4 16s or 4 4s in it, actually, those are pretty likely. Might not contribute much though, if you run both together, you have the whole mixing drivers fun then, which you could also search on the site.[/quote] Aw man, seems like i've got a lot more to learn about now. Could treat myself to a matamp 2x15 if this purchase comes off, now a 4x15 would be INSANE!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009784' date='Nov 2 2010, 05:02 PM']They require specific impedance, as they have a switch, usually it is a choice of 4, 8 or 16, ampegs do 2 or 4, some do 8 or 16 only. 16 means you can have 16 alone, or pair with another 16 cab for 8, or 4 16 cabs for 4, gives most options, guessing Sound City will be a 4/8/16. Look up impedance in the wiki, linked up the top of the page.[/quote] Ah right sound, reckon ill wire em up initially for four ohms, then at least i can use it both with a tranny amp and a valve amp until i get more cabs. Wonder what i could do to alter the impedence on my ampeg 4x10, it's 4 ohms now! could that be changed to 16? then paried with the matamp, be reduced to 8

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009725' date='Nov 2 2010, 04:06 PM']Yep, and converting is just swapping wires, looks like a lot of screws to undo, but not really skilled.[/quote] So wiring the speakers in series equals one impedance and in parallel another? If valve heads output their full amount no matter what the load they still have a minimum impedance right? For example a gt200 will only go as low as 4ohm, hence the need for 16 ohm speakers if your wanting to bring the DOOM right?

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009718' date='Nov 2 2010, 04:00 PM']Speaker sensitivity is pretty dependent on the cab in practice. Plus Ampeg's claims about speaker cabs are the most dubious ever. The 2x15 is going to be louder than the 4x10 as long as you are half way sensible with the speakers. Basically, this will work out cheaper/better than commercial cabs because they have a few more stages of markup going on, plus massive 2x15s are the most unfashionable things ever, so commercial cabs are small and lame. Even Barefaced have discontinued their 2x15. With a Pair of 8 ohm speakers, you have a choice of 4 or 16 ohm, valve heads you are best going for 16 so you can chain up more cabs (Doom), with SS, best with 4 as I think the Bass Terror switches between 4 and 8.[/quote] Because valve heads output their full power no matter what cab right? say i got the speakers and had them installed to 4 ohms, if i went and got a valve head at a later date, would it be possible to convert the cab to 16 ohms?

[quote name='umph' post='1009695' date='Nov 2 2010, 03:38 PM']yeah they are and it would, well if you think about it it's gonna be a hell of a lot better than any comercial cab you could buy for that price.[/quote] I'm not trying to sound clever by any means, but why is that the case? I think the speaker sensitivity is the same of that in my SVT 410HLF? right?

[quote name='umph' post='1009665' date='Nov 2 2010, 03:11 PM']trust me with the soundcity and a pair of basslites you'll get far to loud. I get to loud driving a single basslite with a 30watt head![/quote] Are they the 300watt ones by any chance? 8 ohm each? so if i had two, that would make the cab impedance 4 ohms right? looks like they're £100 each like OUCH!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009605' date='Nov 2 2010, 01:41 PM']Impedance and RMS are just adding the rating that comes with the speaker together in the right way, the box doesn't affect that. Speaker sensitivity is an issue if you are lacking power, the the mere fact you have 2 15" speakers is going to give a fair chunk of sensitivity because of the amount of air they are in contact with. Really, RMS and sensitivity are separate concerns, if you don't have much power, worry about sensitivity (and the first thing to do if that is a concern is not use a sealed cab), and if you have unlimited power RMS is a concern, but not as big a one as people make out, because the thermal power handling isn't a very useful spec in the real world (other things will make your speaker break first). Really, if somone knows what they are up to enough to recommend some speakers, and some other people concur, they'll be able to tell you all of this. Best thing to do is learn WinISD use and be an internet know-it-all.[/quote] I guess i'd like a compromise. Im thinking about replacing my head with a bass terror for the time being. (currently have a Trace AH300SMX) But then in the future, i'm definately wanting a Matamp GT200. The bass terror has 500 watts RMS if im not mistaken so that will need to be considered. Also, i may even be looking at getting a sound city 120, obviously less RMS, so sensitivity is an issue also. I think i'm going to have to find some kind of compromise.

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009575' date='Nov 2 2010, 01:24 PM']Been googling some, and in a 2x15 closed cab thread someone mentioned the Eminence Delta 15, so bunged it in WinISD at a guess of 180l sealed cab volume, looks ok, and comes in budget. I'd scout for other opinions (I'm sure they'll come shortly) on that before doing anything, because I've not had that much first hand experience of bodging in speakers.[/quote] Whoah man im getting confused now. How would i work out the overall RMS of the cab? I'd also need to consider speaker sensitivity right? and i'd also need to be able to work out the impedence of the bloody thing! Man this is starting to get complicated!!!

[quote name='umph' post='1009550' date='Nov 2 2010, 01:03 PM']in that cab, would go for celestion orange labels or eminence basslite speakers since they should both be okay in a sealed enclosure, bit over your budget though[/quote] [url="http://professional.celestion.com/bass/orange/index.asp"]http://professional.celestion.com/bass/orange/index.asp[/url] These bad boys? far right? Whats the difference between the orange label and the green label?

[quote name='umph' post='1009489' date='Nov 2 2010, 12:10 PM']depends on your budget i reckon.[/quote] Well, say another £100-£150 on top of what i pay. What would you recommend? [quote name='umph' post='1009489' date='Nov 2 2010, 12:10 PM']Also getting a ad200 with this cab would be sacralidge![/quote] HAHAHA i guess a GT200 it will have to be then! Or a sound city 120!

[quote name='umph' post='1009405' date='Nov 2 2010, 10:46 AM']man if you don't buy that link me to the dude selling i'd totally be all over that! Speakers in it look like goodmans or something and i'm guessing 50-100watts a piece, i'd definatly respeaker it though.[/quote] The lad selling it is trying to get more information for me apparently! All i can do is wait and see what price he wants for it! I'm definately wanting to buy it like, but should it not suit me i'm sure there'd be interest for it on here Also, speaker reccomendations anybody?

[quote name='XPAULUSX' post='1009037' date='Nov 1 2010, 09:36 PM']I ain't even got a value head yet like, I reckon after getting this an ad200 would be top of my list, that or a gt200 may even just get myself a bass terror. I'm gonna try it first and see what it sounds like with the speakers its loaded with now. I'll keep you lot posted on what I do like, but I think general consensus id be bloody stupid not to buy this! Reckon this would sound good with a sound city 120?[/quote] Alright awesome never used 15's like what should i expect?

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1009020' date='Nov 1 2010, 09:24 PM']Leave the grillcloth. There is science to choosing the right speakers, and it depends heavily on what you want it to sound like. If you can get measurements, you can work out the air volume in the cab and use WinISD to model some stuff, but it won't mean much to you (good learning process though). Figure what is in it currently, see if you like the sound of them. If so all, good, otherwise I'd email Eminence and Celestion with the cab dimensions and description and what is in it, and see what they recommend. No point in giving it 1000w of power handling if you are going to run a 120w valve head into it, and suchlike. I'm pretty sure it is a sealed cab. Oh, and leave the grillcloth, mingy old grillcloths are part of the charm, and are also Doom.[/quote] I ain't even got a value head yet like, I reckon after getting this an ad200 would be top of my list, that or a gt200 may even just get myself a bass terror. I'm gonna try it first and see what it sounds like with the speakers its loaded with now. I'll keep you lot posted on what I do like, but I think general consensus id be bloody stupid not to buy this! Reckon this would sound good with a sound city 120?

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1008964' date='Nov 1 2010, 08:32 PM']I'd guess it is a sealed cab, which makes the speaker requirement kind of specific. When you know it is definitely sealed or not, post it up and someone will figure best speakers to go in it. What head are you pairing it with? Actually have a bit of jealous going on. Impedance is easy enough to figure by measuring the resistance, best way to go because it might tell you if there is speaker trouble before you upset your amp. And if you don't like it, I want it, it will look horribly clashing under my green Matamp.[/quote] How will I tell if it is a sealed cab or not? It ain't ported, if the pics I posted above are a.thing to go by! What speakers could I fit in it? And how hard would it be to wire them up? Also looking at replacing the grill cloth when I get it, though that should be easy enough

[quote name='Chimike' post='1008923' date='Nov 1 2010, 07:49 PM']Go For it, it'a no brainer !! It's not the big Horn Cab , but should still sound good. For outdoor gigs, I use an old Acoustic corp 2 x 15 cab, but I replaced the speakers with Eminence 3015's. Bloody awsome. Go for it ! ( I've also got a 70's Orange 1 x 15 cab, thats great too, but it does have the EV speaker, not ( what looks like ) the fanes in the cab your looking at..Btw, just had a thought, get them to tell you the measurements, make sure they are 15's, Orange did a lot of PA and Disco gear using 12 " fanes .[/quote] So what's the impedance of this cab likely to be? And if i replaced the speakers, what would it be with say either the eminence or the modern fanes mentioned above?

[quote name='joegarcia' post='1008823' date='Nov 1 2010, 06:19 PM']NICE! Go for it! Expect to replace those speakers if you want big volume and low end though.[/quote] I was thinking, what if i took it to matamp, asked them to "refurb" it for me?

[quote name='KiOgon' post='1008692' date='Nov 1 2010, 04:34 PM']Once upon a time - in the '70s my main gigging cab was an Orange 2x18 driven with a HiWatt 200 + another 200 slave 400 Beautilicious Valve Watts. It was a HUGE sound! I'm sure a 2 x15 driven with suitable oommph is going to flap some trouser bottoms! Go for it PS: I was young once - honest [/quote] I think i might have to!!!! I've got some pictures here, the lad selling it has no idea of the spec's of the cab, so i have no idea about the RMS, impedence, speakers loaded in it or anything! i'm hoping some of you fine gentlemenm will be able to help me after looking at these pics, theyre not the best quality, but they're all i've got at the moment. I hope someone will be able to help me with this!!! Excited is not the word!

[quote name='krispn' post='1008299' date='Nov 1 2010, 11:02 AM']That looks mega. I'd happily be seen in public with that ginger beast *Disclaimer* I find the hot chicks with red hair really attractive[/quote] Just got the pics through email... can't post them up yet as my work computer wont allow webmail! it's an Orange alright, with the Matamp brand logo also on the front!! This is looking like a good deal any thoughts? I'll put the images up once i get home!