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[quote name='BassPimp66' timestamp='1360606351' post='1973258'] Yes, there's a cat. The ultimate diversion for wives... hehe [/quote] Took my girlfriend in there last time, she was diverted by the cat for a full hour, it was brilliant. Top marks on that front!

Thomas Bangalter of Daft Punk at his very housey finest. One of my all time favourite tracks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgAJWQCC7L0

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360610925' post='1973398'] It's been a really lively debate and it just shows how passionate we all are about music. The Fabs were a phenomenon and as i said used to rush over to Twickenham Studios after school to see them while they were filming there. As i said it's been a good thread and a bit of fun and we may all agree on a thread one day (blimey, that'll be boring!) and as Albert Ayler once said "Music Is The Healing Force Of The Universe". Happy listening to whatever music turns you on!!!! [/quote] Cool. Apologies for being a cock. [quote name='bremen' timestamp='1360610272' post='1973377'] Fail. And change your name. [/quote] I think once again things have got too heated. It's out of character for the poster in question.

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360586577' post='1972671'] Well that's told me hasn't it? You can't beat the good old 'i'm right, you're wrong' attitude when someone dares to disagree can you? [/quote] Just before this thread gets locked inevitably as every thread over the past month has, to be quite honest I'm just a bit bored of the haters. What I'm saying is that you've offered no insight at all that bolsters your opinion that the Beatles have had no lasting influence on popular music at all. The evidence is very much there to prove that your opinion is flawed/wrong/whatever, it's why thesis's and countless books have been penned almost in an effort to understand the meteoric speed at which they were able to not only output music, but cast a vast tsunami of influence over decades of music that is still just as relevant as it was 40 odd years ago. Unfortunately i've risen to it, and got more than a little pissed off over nothing, so I should apologise for that at least, I am admittedly a stubborn, stubborn bastard at times.

[quote name='jjay69' timestamp='1360587148' post='1972702'] I can totally relate to the ops opinion. I live a walkable distance to the gallery so how come i've only been there a handful of times. I came to the conclusion that each time i go i get a slight feeling of "being in the way" and it takes several months before i've sort of forgotten the experience and give it another try, yet the same thing happens again. Alex (i presume) is not the most friendly of sorts and small-talk is not his thing. I asked if i could try out a bass recently, he went upstairs, got it, brought it down to me, handed it over and strolled off, not a word was spoken, talk about feeling a tad uncomfortable. I think its' such a crying shame the place is crammed full of beautiful gear that i'd happily spend hours tinkering over and no doubt eventually would spend money there even if it took years, (though i did get some work done a while back - but that was after chatting with Martin). But as it is all i want to do is leave not long after arriving. I would say there are 2 things involved here. 1. That Alex is not a bad chap at all, but smalltalk is not his speciality (neither mine which probably doesn't help), if you crack him open a bit he tends to open up or it may be a case of simply bass snobbery ? 2. The place is slightly intimidating, with thousands of pounds worth of gear everywhere, one foot in the wrong place could be costly so it's not exactly easy to relax, or maybe he can spot the difference between a buyer and a tryer at a glance. I'm probably more the latter I'm probably a bit frustrated at living so close to the ultimate "sweet shop" only for the sweets to taste a bit like "raw cabbage" just My 2 cents [/quote] Seems like a good way of summing it up. It still won't stop me from popping in when I'm in London/Camden area and I know Alex doesn't mean to be that frosty. But customer service is everything to me, it's what makes a good shop a great shop or a great business. I did wish Alex all the best with The Knowledge but if he happens to read this again, here's hoping he gets on fine with it! Sounds bloody hard.

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360539483' post='1972171'] Be prepared for the wrath of The Basschat Beatles Preservation Society to descend upon thee!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] You're labouring the point now I feel, I appreciate you've gotten roundly slapped here by a number of people that you've been unable to counter but contrary to what you feel this isn't a site fanatical about any given subject, most people are just too laid back. Let it go.

I've found Alex's interpersonal skills a bit hit and miss, but that's nothing that he hasn't confirmed himself before on this site as I'm certain there are plenty of time wasters. The time I bought my Eden rig a few years back from them I think he figured me a time waster before I finally took the plunge, the times I've after that have been better as I've known what to expect to an extent. The other two guys I have no complaints about at all, Martin was great when I spoke to him and the younger guy was also really nice as well, very accommodating. It's still my favourite place to shop bass wise in London when I'm there.

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360514420' post='1971519'] Meanwhile show me ONE example of a song structure ANYTHING like "She Loves You" prior to 1964. It doesn't exist. [/quote] A lot of things wouldn't exist with out them, full stop, end of story. Most of the people in this thread contesting otherwise are very much free to do so and opinions matter but not a single thing so far has countered the [u]fact[/u] that their influence was anything less than extraordinary, most arguments generally stemming from a fairly obvious dislike of the band.

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360451231' post='1970790'] What i was getting at is that yes TNK is sampling but there are many (better) examples of sampling long before TNK. Listen to Spike Jones in the 50s. Here was a middle of the road entertainer that used samples. Not so cutting edge as we thought in the 60s then. TNK is just one small piece of the jigsaw. Maybe it's more important to you for some reason but it's a small part. Have a listen to any Raymond Scott recordings or Fontana Mix by John Cage, anything by Luciano Berio and you'll maybe have a better understanding of the music you obviously have a passion for. I've always kept my ears open to new music whether that's by actually listening or by listening to those with a greater understanding than me. As i said before, just enjoy the music. [/quote] None of the examples you listed are nearly as well remembered in the popular music consciousness, at all. I also don't claim George Martin and his studio is the be all and end all here, there are other artists and producers to be counted, but you are drastically underestimating the importance, god knows why as you know your stuff. EDIT - here's the DJ Spooky quote for everyone else: ""Tomorrow Never Knows" is one of those songs that’s in the DNA of so much going on these days that it’s hard to know where to start, Its tape collage alone makes it one of the first tracks to use sampling really successfully. I also think that Brian Eno’s idea of the studio-as-instrument comes from this kind of recording."

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360447209' post='1970745'] I'm not sure who you think said that sampling has no effect on electronic music so not sure what you are on about there. Yes i'm familiar with Boards Of Canada. Twoism was much sought after until it was commercially released and still is a classic in my opinion. I was buying Thomas Leer and Robert Rental (go and google them) recordings in the 70s when they were issuing them privately so have an interest in electronic music but wouldn't tell anyone that i'm an expert. Although i do admit i know a lot more than some. It isn't a competition on who's right and who's wrong. Just enjoy the music. [/quote] No, quite right it's not a competition. But your comments on the Beatles having no influence on electronic music are false, TNK is sampling, and as I'm sure you are aware sampling has everything do do with electronic music. It's been cited continuously as a seminal track in this respect, a precursor. Never mind... there have been some stupid theads round here recently.

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360441967' post='1970607'] Yes and yes. I heard all of Revolver the week it was released so yes i am familiar with the song. I think the Beatles were a massive influence on a lot of people and groups but fail to see that Tomorrow Never Knows had much influence on electronic music. Surely it's the other way around. [/quote] What?? Sampling has no effect on electronic music? Oh dear mate. Google what DJ Spooky said about TNK. Go and listen to the Chemical Brothers. Read an interview with the Boards of Canada and read about their influences after Music Has the Right To Children, widely believed to be one of the best electronic albums of all time. Rarely do I say this on this forum but you're just wrong.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1360438554' post='1970561'] However, you can never underestimate their cultural and social significance.... [/quote] And musical significance. Sorry, opinions I can deal with, false claims I'm going to and will continue to dispute.

The problem with threads like this is I tend to get increasingly pissed (wrongly so I might add!) when it is suggested that the band weren't musically significant or influential. It's just that you can't really argue with historical fact and actual proof here, it far outweighs the suppositions. What I actually think it boils down to for most people in this case is a feeling of annoyance over how much the Beatles are lauded and a probable dislike of their music. Both those things I can understand very well. But misinformation gets tossed around and it's tough to try and step over it all.

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360430431' post='1970341'] They changed Pop music [b]but certainly didn't change Jazz, Electronic or Classical music.[/b] [/quote] I'll leave the first and last of the genres you chose to mention as I could list a number of examples to the contrary, but are you honestly going to try and claim that 'Tomorrow Never Knows' had no influence on electronic music? Have you ever even heard 'Tomorrow Never Knows' before? Once again I think there are more than a few people on here trying to claim knowledge over subjects of which they have none.

Ah, the bi-monthly 'try and disparage the Beatles' thread! Love these. [u]Overrated.[/u] A statement you can try for the rest of your life to try and pin on the Beatles but totally, totally false. They, George Martin and a number of other key players including engineer Geoff Emerick helped define what popular music was for almost every other band since, directly or indirectly, there have been countless books written on it and it will continue to be true forever. That does not mean that there were not other bands and people who should be discounted in any way as influential, the Beach Boys in the U.S if we're talking the same era in particular but like it or lump it/like them or lump them, they are the biggest thing to have happened to popular music in the course of the 20th century, they profoundly changed the game for everyone.

Get another Stingray! Got one recently (a 5'er) and it's wonderful.

Actually couldn't disagree more about Steely Dan but absolutely fair enough! I don't really look back on any music I listen to and think 'wow, what was I thinking'. I'm just glad I've had the opportunity to listen to so much music.

[quote name='rubis' timestamp='1360277426' post='1968139'] Favourite Andy Rourke basslines? I'll start it off..... Some girls are bigger than others.....chugs along like a train Still Ill......as already mentions it weaves around the guitar nicely What's your fave? [/quote] He Headmaster Ritual. Also one of my favourite Johnny Marr guitar parts, all done in open E, massive chords and Rourke just fits around him so well.

[quote name='urb' timestamp='1360253561' post='1967474'] I saw this recently and I think it sums up a lot of these arguments: [media]http://youtu.be/ByglxFeQBOY[/media] [/quote] He's great, he should be given some kind of show on TV!

Let's talk about Coltrane again before all of our heads collectively explode.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1360222572' post='1966797'] Don't feed the troll... [/quote] Apologies, should have leant my lesson the first time. Isn't there a sub-forum we can create for the socially inept? Great clip Steve, been listening to loads of Coltrane of late.

[quote name='Antiloco' timestamp='1360217997' post='1966768'] That's a pretty shallow statement but hey, whatever makes you happy. [/quote] You're a gem, aren't you! Bobbass4k is of course bang on the money here, this kind of dynamic cannot go on forever and if you're unable to describe Coltrane as 'entertaining' it's most likely because you're being obtuse for the sake of it. Let previous arguments go and enjoy the music, it's far easier than trying to make some kind of protracted two-day long point about why we should or shouldn't be entertained by the music we love. Coltrane's a master.

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1360162326' post='1965907'] You do realise giving these kids headless basses or ones with one too many necks is just going to trauamtise them don't you [/quote] Haha

[quote name='Inti' timestamp='1360108324' post='1965104'] And you are? [/quote] No one IBTL.

[quote name='Inti' timestamp='1360108087' post='1965099'] I asked for this thread o be deleted. I really don't feel like sharing anything with you right now, not after being criticized by people like uncle psychosis and after hearing his band. It gives quite a good picture of the kind of people who likes talking about art as entertainment. Cheers. [/quote] Looking forward to seeing to hamming it up on the Southbank Show sometime, Melvyn Bragg will be quaking in his boots trying to comprehend your mind of sheer musical genius. Hopefully us poor sods might learn a thing or two!