TimR

It seems strange that they think that the drinking is due to the noise levels. It is well established that it is the other way round. Hearing is impaired by alcohol. The more people drink the louder they get. I know a lot of musicians who seem to think they play better after a beer and drummers who definitely get louder after a beer. First lnk I ggogled, there are counless others: [url="http://www.indiana.edu/~adic/effects.html"]http://www.indiana.edu/~adic/effects.html[/url] In order for people to take responsibility for their actions, they need to be informed of what their effect their actions will have. How do you know how loud it is in a bar or how loud a band is? I've played in places where they will not put the band through the limiter, but use the limiter to guage the volume of the band. The manager will tell you to turn down if the red light stays on too long. If you ignore it you don't play there again. Simple. It'll never get set to 70dB as a crowded bar is louder than that. I would refuse to plug my amp into a power circuit that will turn itself off 'randomly' and could then be reset by someone before I can kill the PA outputs and get my speakers blown. My guess is that it will have to be less than 80dB outside the venue and there will be strict limits on the amount of time that the music can be louder than a certain level inside. Unfortunately if venues don't take voluntary measures, the government acts like this.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='370495' date='Jan 4 2009, 11:23 PM']Well hello and welcome Tim! Your stand on 'technical' V's 'real life' is duly noted and you might find that you even have allies when it comes to NOT mixing drivers but where do you stand on 'vintage bass' V's 'just a load of old tat'? [/quote] Thanks for the welcome. Sorry. I don't mean to make a stand on mixing drivers. Just as long as it sounds musical, but just adding a 15" or a 4x10" thinking it will sound better, isn't always the case, and using power ratings to judge whether a speaker will sound good is not a good idea. (I had a 15" and added a 2x10". Not only did it sound really terrible but it was quieter too!) I'm obviously new here and have only lurked a bit, but thought I throw something to think about into the pot. I guess the mixing drivers discussion must come up fairly regularly then. vintage bass v's a load of old tat? Well I can only play old tat as I'm not old enough or rich enough to have a vintage bass, just some old tat from the 80's and something from the last millennium

All this talk of 15" and 10" and power into each driver is all very well. These are 'nominal' impedances and power ratings. Using ohms law and DC is OK but in reality the impedance of each speaker varies at different frequencies. The impedance of the 10" is unlikely to be the same as the impedance of the 15" for any given frequency so the power distribution will be much more complex than just saying 225watts and 4x56.25watts. But all they give us is nominal figures so fag packet drawings and schoolboy physics are the way to go, and are ok if all you are interested in is whether your speakers or amp will blow first. E.G. say the 10"s were 25ohms at 40hz and the 15" was 15ohms at 40 Hz, what happens to the power distribution then? How much of that amp power is going to get used at 40Hz and where will it go? Since the 15" is more likely to have a lower impedance for a given frequency than the 10s, a good deal of your power is likely to go in the direction of the 15". That's just electrically, never mind what then happens acoustically. This is why mixing drivers doesn't always sound good, even 2x15" from different manufacturers. Regardless of what you think the specs say, your ears are your friend.