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39 minutes ago, chris_b said:

I'm done. I only need 2 basses. I played a Jazz with rounds and a PJ with flats for most of the last decade.

 

Unfortunately a back issue means I've got to find a lightweight replacement for the Jazz. So far, none of the basses I've tried have been "the one". I didn't expect replacing a favourite bass to be this hard.

Maruszczyk Elwood with a chambered body? At the risk of teaching you to suck eggs, if you go onto the Public Peace website you can spec up it up exactly to your requirements. Warning though, it can be a bit like being let loose with the extras list on a BMW; it can become expensive. I am sure you could order to your spec through Bass Direct as well.

I have a 32” Elwood I bought second hand and it is the best jazz I have ever played. Maybe not light enough for you at about 3.8 Kg but I am sure with the chambered body it would be quite a bit lighter. A friend raves about his full scale Elwood, so it’s not just me.

Ditto

On 11/12/2023 at 20:07, Chienmortbb said:

Have a look at @stevie's LFSys Monza. You will save a bit too.

Thanks for mentioning that. I had never heard of LFSys before. A bit of research and I found quite a few posts on BC from a few months ago. That does open up the options a bit. The only thing that slightly bothers me from the reviews,  is the lack of out and out bottom end. I have never had that problem with a BF cab. However, the ability to hear yourself, even when right on top of the LFSys cab, is a huge plus point.

Bandwidth (not my idea!) did a little 45 minute support slot for the After Hours Band at Blakeney Harbour Room yesterday evening. I didn’t get off to a good start having had to do a massive detour on the way to the gig because of an accident blocking the road. I had set out with a low charge in the car (it wasn’t far) and the detour used up all my contingency, so I was worried I wouldn’t make it home afterwards. We set up on the floor in front of the stage, so as not to interfere with the main band’s set up. As ever I was pushed into a square foot right on top of my amp and I share my monitor with the drummer, so we both end up not being able to hear it 😏.
 

We use minimum stage volume (drummer uses an electronic kit) and we all DI but we always have a struggle setting up the PA. The lead guitarist has a digital mixer, which should be great but I think the technology has defeated him and we seem to go round the same issues every time. We took about 1 1/2 hours to set up, whereas the main act was done in the time it took them to assemble the gear on stage and very impressive it was. My little Peavey Max 150 combo (running at 8 o’clock on Main) was dwarfed by their bassist’s stack of two Aguilar SL 4x10s in beautiful ivory tolex, with I think a 750 watt Tone Hammer sitting on that - sounded massive.

I felt uncomfortable throughout the gig, like me and the drummer were chasing the beat, rather than setting it. Not helped by not being able to hear the guitars and keys but the punters seemed to enjoy it. We got plenty of compliments afterwards. We then managed to break down and clear our gear in less than 20 minutes, only to find After Hours didn’t start for another 25 minutes. I stayed to listen to them for an hour afterwards and they were amazing. Really tight, with excellent dual guitar work (a touch of the Wishbone Ash in parts) and fantastic bass. Worth catching if they come your way. 
 

On the good side, I made it home through the raging storm (branches flying across the road, etc), with about 5% charge left on arrival.

12 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

The crossover frequency should remain constant.

I would think that since it's intended for vertical placement that all three woofers would be full range. BTW, in the 210/410/610 all the drivers receive bass content. Half of them are low passed, so those don't receive upper mids and highs. It's what's known as an x.5 alignment. I mentioned it to Alex nearly 20 years ago as being how all 410s, 610s and 810s should be run. He obviously took my advice.

Thanks for the clarification. So no low pass filter on the Three10.

I would be interested to know how the crossover works with the main drivers. In the Two10, mids and highs go to one driver and bass frequencies to the other. In the Three10, is it treble to one, mids to one and bass to one? The blurb on the BF website doesn’t say.

2 hours ago, fretmeister said:

I would never buy the Four10 because the shape of it is too annoying for me. And it doesn't have wheels, and Alex doesn't like to fit them as it means strengthening the bottom and making it heavier.

 

The Three10 is still a very light cab in the grand scheme of things, but more importantly, it's on wheels and it will fit through more doors and narrow corridors.

It might only be a couple of kilos lower than the Four10, but it will be much much easier to live with.

 

Even the height is better as it means less bending over to pull it on the wheels.

 

 

I take your points and for many that would make it a better choice. My trouble would be lifting it in and out of the car, or up steps, without upsetting my back. The funny thing is, I can just about manage a 25 Kg kettle bell but spread that weight (or there abouts) into a big box and it becomes hard. For that reason I couldn’t consider the Four10 either.

I am going to have to stick with a second Two10, if I can ever afford it. At 13 Kg for the cloth front that is a comfortable lift in, even though I would probably have to do the both in two trips.

1 hour ago, chris_b said:

Looking good, Alex.

 

Too heavy for my poor old back. I need all my speakers in the smallest package I can find, but looks like a great cab for many bassists.

I agree. I am sure they will have no problem selling these but at only a couple of kilos lighter than a Four10, you may as well go the full hog (if you can afford it). I was hoping it would come in around the weight of the super twin ☹️. I guess that was being over optimistic.

I was thinking of going for another Two10 instead but I am sure BF have put the base price up by £100 in the last couple of days. I priced up a Two10 ST with silver cloth for £869 the other day. Now it’s £969. I was waiting to see how the Three10 came out. Oh well! Maybe it is worth having a go at the Loto!

Thanks for posting that folks. Unfortunately, too heavy for me I think. It’s heavier than a super twin.

Did they put prices up across the board? I am sure the Two10 was £699 in basic trim the other day (I have been thinking about getting another for a while).

2 hours ago, villis said:

Hello guys count me in the club! 

Nice! Enjoy!

3 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

 

I don't seem to be playing my long scales at all so I'm giving serious thought to selling my Sandberg TT4 to fund a Nordy. The 'Berg is a beautiful bass but if I'm not using it then it's not really suiting a purpose other than being a dust magnet!

I can recommend the Acinonyx “Cat” bass. I love my V1. Don’t be put off by the tone buttons: I find them great when gigging. You get an instant and consistent tone change. Of course, if you don’t like the pre-sets, then it might not be your cup of tea but from my perspective, it beats twiddling knobs. Apart from that, the pickups are great, the whole thing weighs twice nothing and it is so easy to play. Just made for surviving those 3 hour gigs IMO.

I was seriously tempted to add a V2 as well but when I heard Nordstrand are working on a 5 string version, I decided to keep my powder dry. It might actually be a 5 string I can play for more than 5 minutes without hand pain (arthritis).

49 minutes ago, mep said:

I can hear my Two 10 reasonably well in to either mode, even in tight spaces. Not sure what your solution is.

A hearing test I suspect ☹️.

1 hour ago, asingardenof said:

 

Plugged my ABM in for the first time since April, DI'd through the PA as well as going through through my Two10S, and it sounded awesome. I'm a bit broken this morning after helping to get all the PA stuff out last night, but a gentle morning of Christmas shopping beckons.

 

 

Can you hear your Two10 when it is in landscape mode, or were you relying on your monitor? I find I have to have mine in portrait and even then I can’t hear it if space is tight and I am right on top of it. The sound seems to go passed my legs.

17 hours ago, Sambrook said:

Pm sent.

Hi, Apologies for delayed response but I have replied just now.

Cheers,

Pat

1 minute ago, asingardenof said:

I'm happy to talk to them if they're complimenting me  

The trouble is they normally chose the moment when you are about to start the next set, or are trying to pack your gear up at the end of the show. Either way, they get in the way but I am sure I have been there myself, so try not to be too judgmental.

Three hour afternoon gig on Sunday at (the pink torpedo (LoL)) the C*ck in Dereham with the Checkmate Kings (blues band). As you can see from the photo, it’s very tight for space and the punters are spread across three rooms but it always turns out to be a good gig (this was our 5th in two years). We got plenty of positive feedback and the landlord was talking about getting repeat gigs every three to four months next year, which is a result.

I used my BF Two10 with Mark Bass LM III (overkill for the venue really but I like the tone) and Maruszczyk Elwood 4a medium scale.

I’ve got two more gigs to go this year but with two different (non-blues) bands and very little overlap in the set lists. A bit of practice is called for!

2 hours ago, fretmeister said:

I suspect the tweeter will be optional as with all the other cabs. When I asked him, I did specifically ask if a tweeter version would be available.

 

I would expect the weight to be between the two10 and the 410.

The Super Twin is about 17-18kg depending on metal or cloth grill so it's not heavy, but it's still more than I'd want to carry when wheels are an option. Alex puts wheels on all the taller cabs - ST/BT3/610 etc etc as they are just easier to move.

Good if the tweeter is optional. That will help keep the price down a bit for those of us who are happy with the 10CR sound.

WRT weight: it’s odd but I can easily manage a couple of 17.5 Kg dumbbells down the gym but spread the 17-18 Kg into  a largish box and it becomes much less manageable. However, wheels will be a definite plus in most situations, except the venues only reached by 3+ flights of narrow steps.

Let’s see how it turns out when Alex releases it. I don’t think he will have any trouble selling it, so we can expect quite a lead time for orders.

32 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

Yup,

 

I asked Alex and this is the reply email:

 

"Yes, vertical with tiltback wheels and a tweeter. We've had some alternate impedance drivers made to solve the annoying impedance problem! It's not going to be three 10"s in a vertical line, it'll be two above each other and one in the middle off to the side - makes for a much more sensibly shaped cab and still has great dispersion because the middles of the drivers (where the mids/highs come from) aren't side by side. Same height and width as a Super Twin, same depth as a Two10S/Four10/Six10. Same wheels and handles as a Six10. Should be v cool!"

 

Thank you, that is very interesting. I am inferring from the tilt back wheels and tweeter that:

a) it’s going to be a bit heavy (for me);

b) it will take up more space in a cramped gig than the a vertical Two10;

c) it will be closer in price to the Four10 than Two10S, as the tweeter adds £150 to the latter.

It does make me ask, why would you buy this instead of a Super Twin? I guess the answer is the more vintage voicing of the 10CR speakers but then there will be a tweeter on the Three10.

Idly looking at the “Using Multiple 10CR Cabs” advice on the Barefaced website, I noticed a section about forthcoming new variants in November 23. The 4 ohm 4x10 has arrived but the teaser regarding a Three10 hasn’t been delivered yet (you can’t order it anyway). Does anybody know more?

Is there any inherent advantage/disadvantage to a 3 speaker in one cabinet configuration, or is it just that it can handle more power than a Two10 and less than a Four10? All things being equal, it sounds like an attractive proposition to me. More power handling and headroom for my 500 watt amp in a package that is still quite portable for an old fella (the Four10 is just a bit too big and heavy for me). It would be interesting to know what the form factor will be. I am kind of hoping that it will be three speakers in a tower, so that the top speaker is nearer ear level but I appreciate there might be good audio engineering reasons to have a different layout.

I’m also hoping the price is going to be closer to the Two10 than the Four10!

Anyway, anybody got more information?

19 minutes ago, bogleshake said:

I’m aware this old, but gold, topic is likely done but I can’t be the only other person still rocking the Orange Terror Combo Amp? After a decade I’ve decided to finally replace the valves with a much more manageable pair. But does anyone know how you access the valves in it? There’s loads and loads of videos opening Terror head but I can’t find anything anywhere about this combo. 
 

Cheers in advance to any utter legend out there that can save me before I send these valves back and resign myself to the gain at 9pm for eternity. 

I’m sorry I can’t provide an answer, as I had the head but I understand Orange Technical Support are very helpful. It might be worth dropping them an email.

Fantastic value bass preamp, drive and DI pedal. Built like a tank. Definetly modelled on an old school amp (Ampeg SVT perhaps). Enough drive to give that old school valve overdrive sound but probably not aggressive enough for metal. The DI is pretty good and has a ground lift switch. It can be powered by a 9 volt battery, or regular pedal power supply.

The full spec is here on the Behringer website: https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0294

I have used this unit quite a lot but its in good general condition, with quite a few micro-scratches that you have to look closely to see but nothing major. There is a bit of velcro on the underside. Everything functions correctly.

The cheapest I have seen these selling online is £34, so mine is a bargain at half price. Collection from Fakenham, Norfolk preferred but I have the original box and can post. Now £17 posted.

21 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

Double bass and 60s Burns bass action yesterday in Bristol. Good fun, but played 3 x 50 minute sets and my hands are hurting!

Is it a trick of the light, or is your double-bass metal bodied? It looks like a German silver National on my screen! Surely it can’t be? It would weigh a ton!

1 hour ago, 2pods said:

I always knew it would come down to an Ibby at that price 

 

 

Thanks, but I couldn't have a Hofner Violin copy, having once had the real thing.

It would just remind me of my stupidity in selling it 

 

Not that bothered about the fretless conclusion, but would like to know what people think of Ibanez's short

five string ?

 

 

The TMB-35? I think it is a pretty nice bass for the money.
 

There are a few things to consider but perhaps forgivable given the price. Mine was pretty noisy when the Jazz pickup was engaged but on inspection, it turned out they had shielded the P pickup cavity (strictly speaking not really necessary) and not the Jazz pickup up cavity: weird! I did my usual copper tape shielding exercise and it was fine. Talking of pickups, the P pickup was OK but the Jazz wasn’t that great and I seem to recall it had smaller dimensions than a standard Jazz 5 string bridge pickup, so would require a little woodwork to replace with something better. The Strat style jack socket arrangement was a bit weird and not friendly for my Boss wireless system. I found the neck a bit chunky compared to other Ibbys, which is why I sold it but not everybody has arthritis in their left hand/its personal taste. Mine was a bit weighty for an SS as well but I have heard they tend to vary quite a bit. Perhaps mine was made from a denser body blank than others. I can’t remember if it neck dived. 
 

A lot of the above is fixable, if you are prepared to do a bit of work. It is also quite easy to mod (except for that J pickup). I put a Fender high mass bridge on mine for not much: not strictly necessary as the OEM was adequate. The machine heads were adequate as well but looked easily upgradable, if you want. I also rewired it with a series/parallel push/pull for the pickups, which made it sound huge.

31 minutes ago, 2pods said:

I wondered about that that too.

I do have a 34" Ibanez, but would like to know what's available in a short scale.

Also 5 string. is the bottom string too floppy on a shorty, or medium scale ?

 

I was thinking of maybe £500 used

I can think of a few short scales you can get in fretless and 5 strings but none of them are going to be in that price range; e.g. Maruszczyk, Mensinger, Nordstrand Acinonyx and various even more esoteric (and expensive) boutique basses. For that money, the answer might be to buy an Ibanez TMB35, or SRMD 205 Mezzo and defret it. 

6 hours ago, bertbass said:

Apparently his violin bass has no side dot markers which means that he has to look at the front of the neck to see where he is on the neck making it more obvious that he's looking.

Ah! That explains a lot. I thought it was very obvious he was looking frequently because he was turning the bass up so the neck faced him. Perhaps this created the impression that he was looking more than normal (whatever normal might be). In my defence, it wasn’t just me thinking this: a number of my non-playing friends and relies asked me why he was looking at the guitar “so much” in this way.