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4 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

Sounds like a complete fail then.

Totally. There was an 8x10 with a Hartke head in the practise room. Tried it, but it was just too good to carry on with so I used the crappy QSC instead. 

I had a go on a Shergold Marathon today.

Black. Maple neck. Obeche body so nice and light. Not as punchy as a P but sounded individual and sat nicely in the mix. 

Was really rather nice, and I wasn't expecting that..

Took it out to a jam session today. 

@&£!*^ me its loud. 

No parpy noises on the low notes. Very clear and loads of projection. 

Cor.

1 hour ago, LukeFRC said:

So while I completely agree with you and are tempted to go buy a good PA speaker I think it's worth pointing out that it has to be a specific set of speakers on the market that will go low enough and probably have DSP and some thing protecting the speakers excursion in the lows. 

If you read this thread and picked up any PA can it might not be designed to excel at the job you are asking it to do like the RCF you own are able too

And in fact I started this thread to say that I went to a shop with the intention of buying one option, but after trying a few chose a different one which had many of the characteristics you mention above. 

My whole point originally was to say that received wisdom (Yam DXR) was not in fact the best on (my) test 

3 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

Stick with it. People are scared of change... or haven't given it a fair crack of the whip to even comment. The "Oh yeah, I've tried IEMs and they're poo" (with freebie phone earphones), is a particular bug bear of mine.

Guess what? Yeah, I have intimate experience of traditional back line too. I took a 10w 1x8 amp on a gig too. Awful. I couldn't hear it, there was no bass response. Anybody who would take a bass amp to a gig is an absolute idiot.

Funny, isn't it?

PS for the record, I used to gig with traditional backline. My last rig I bought was an EBS, with 4 2x10 cabs (hey portable 810 rig - how rock n roll!). I would sell them, if they were worth anything!

Thing is, I have an EICH T1000 and a Vanderkley  210 which is pretty much enough for any gig situation. 

I have also just started speccing a small 15w valve head for recording. The FRFR is just another tool, another option, but one that will get used a lot - space and weight dictates that it will.

Just now, EBS_freak said:

Shh! He's tried it - and it's rubbish. The justification is there in black and white!

I'm quite enjoying the fact that I started a thread about some stuff I bought, saying how much I enjoyed using it - but people still keep coming back to tell me it's not as good as the stuff that won't fit on the stage or in the car, or gives me back pain etc..

Clearly I have no idea what I'm doing - which to be fair may be true. 

37 minutes ago, Kevin Dean said:

I've tried this but I just can't seem to get the sound I like that I do with my rig behind me .

How big is your rig? What is it? How do you record with it? What do you do in smaller venues? What do you do in much larger venues - do you mic the cab?

4 minutes ago, DiMarco said:

From his own viewpoint ebs maybe makes sense. What I am trying to get across that technically perfect sounds, utilizing computer tech and in ear crap is not what everyone wants and frankly is killing rock&roll.

Rock is created in a dark damp sh*thole through loud drums and amp racks while drinking too much beer, but you won't understand. Rock&roll is dead apparently.

 

 

Ah, phew. I'm fine then. 

I can happily take my fake computertech crap out to gigs cos we play "Americana" not rock n roll.

4 hours ago, TrevorR said:

Yes, Fiona Bruce would DEFINITELY convince me to go to more car boot sales!

If asked I bet she wouldn't....

5 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

Geography teacher weekend warriors.

...with leather elbow patches

Actually, mostly our friends over the pond...

Just now, EBS_freak said:

Pfft.

Dinochat.

Au contraire - Tweedchat

5 minutes ago, stingrayPete1977 said:

I think it's related though,  full range amp and full range PA equals fill range goodness for everyone.

Mention modelling on some guitar forums and you will be banned for spamming 

3 minutes ago, DiMarco said:

Soz I was typing that as you posted. I will no longer sidetrack this thread.

 

I don't mind at all - I was more amused that one mention of something modelling and it started to feel like trench warfare 

My band is so crap and unpopular that in some venues we have to play on a tiny stage. That means that for those gigs I have to leave the 100kg valve head and cabs at home otherwise there wouldn't be room on stage for the keyboard player, the drummer and possibly the guitarist too.

Well this is interesting, isn't it.

I post some thoughts on an FRFR speaker I bought and look where we end up.

I bought it to amplify my bass signal from the DI of my Ampeg SCR-DI.

Last album we just finished? Bass - Ampeg SCR-DI - Desk. And it sounds like, Er, a bass.

Recorded just like most bass tracks for the last 60 years - straight into the desk. I like the recorded sound, and to replicate that live, I have bought a cab that lets me do that as neutrally as possible with no colouring from a bass cab or amp. 

But this thread ends up as a modelling vs valves vs massive amps vs well, you get the point. 

Emotive subject huh? I always thought bass playing was about what you did with your fingers. 

Then again, you know what they say - opinions are like bumholes - everyone has one, and usually they stink. I would also like to subscribe to the "I know s**t" gang as well please!

Interesting. I've just been in contact with a UK "boutique" amp maker to discuss a small wattage bass amp a la b15..

We talked about a DI transformer and various other options, but looks like it's a possibility and I'm on his waiting list now. 

Will keep you posted and no doubt there will be a thread if it comes off.. 

Now sold

25 minutes ago, discreet said:

Well there's this...

http://www.andybaxterbass.com/details.php?id=1326

But AB's prices can usually be improved upon with a bit of effort and research.

Looks like they have gone up then.....!

1 hour ago, discreet said:

You can pay that for a good original example that's pre-57, I believe.

True. But not for a tort guard model tho

£11k? Seems a bit steep that! Have they gone up that much??

Someone sent me a sticky note about this - but for some reason it's disappeared and I can't find who it was - if it was you could you PM me!

Cor I don't know how you all got here.

My original post was about buying a specific FRFR after most reviews pointed to the Yamaha.

However, to be clear, I have a full rig, I have this one (lightweight FRFR) and I have Helix/Preamp DI options.

I am in an originals band. We play pubs, clubs, venues, festivals large and small, all sorts of things. Even a town hall this year. 

It is pretty much always through a house PA. For me, the choice is to enable me to pick the gear for the venue. Sometimes traditional backline, sometimes a DI with monitoring. Horses for courses. For me in this band there isn't one solution.

For me, playing in a band is more than just "my sound"

It's also about portability and not having setup and tear down being a massive hassle.

It's about the other band members hearing me and me hearing them in a good mix

It's about having fun and sounding as good as we possibly can

It's about being able to adapt to any venue and any stage

Sometimes the gear can get in the way of the main reason we go out there to play..

Just now, LukeFRC said:

if you need a stopgap while it's being made the Ciatlinbread SFT is worth a look.... 

I'm waiting this one out.. it'll be a one off.. most excited. Stuff the b15n heritage.. 

Just to show I'm not completely mad, I've started a discussion with a very well respected amp maker about a small valve head with DI as a sort of B15 clone...