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    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

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    1 hour ago, Steve Browning said:

    I remember a wise man saying "Jeez, it's about preference". Remember saying that Tobie?

    It certainly is! IIRC that was in reference to songs people dislike? Equally true for gear of course.

    However, the suggestion here is that Mesa may no longer represent what it once did; a competitive choice for gigging musicians. 22 hundred quid for a 4x10? IMO that is pie in the sky. What I find irksome is the apparent disingenuousness of putting this purely down to market forces, with no acknowledgement of the effect of marketing strategies. Everyone can prefer what they choose but I won't be convinced that these offer value for money for the vast majority of players. It's a shame for me - I like the gear 👍🏻

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

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    5 hours ago, agedhorse said:

    Then it’s pretty clear that Mesa amps aren’t for you. Nothing wrong with that, but you speak for yourself and fortunately not for others who may disagree with your perspective.

    Thanks for the reassurance that I am indeed expressing an opinion 🙄

    Whom are the products 'for' exactly? Folk gullible and rich enough to fork out over 2K for a cab that isn't gold-plated? 

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

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    Interesting thread...

    Forums like BC are such a great source of many things, from bon homie to amusing belligerence, and I'm sure we're all partial to the full gamut from time to time. 

    This particular one irks me -

    These amps and cabs? Not on your nelly! I like Mesa stuff but these are priced out of the market for the majority of players. I earn good money from music and there isn't a world where I'd shell out for these products over, say, GK's offerings.

    I couldn't give two hoots where things are made per se, as long as the product, buyer experience and aftercare are fit for purpose. On the contrary, if I feel like I'm being taken the piss out of it leaves a sour taste, regardless of some superiority delusion masquerading as 'provenance'.

    Of course this is all my opinion, but it's not lost on me that I am in the relatively unusual position of having the funds and work to justify considering equipment that is towards the pricier end of retail. These are beyond that and yet are not a luxury; luxury is commissioning a build with a craftsman (like Jon Shuker for example, whose skill, time and flexibility add a unique and personal value), not preordering on Anderton's. 

    Preferring The 'Wrong' Version

    in General Discussion

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    3 minutes ago, Mykesbass said:

    It is indeed - just that I often find my preference to be at odds with public opinion!

    Let's hope the rest of your post doesn't come to fruition...

    Which is exactly what I took your opening post to mean - something I experience too! Perhaps we're just contrary...🤣

    Funnily enough, I was having a similar conversation with my partner just yesterday. We were recalling that it's sometimes argued that the original must be superior simply because it is the archetype. Personally, I find that argument interesting but ultimately futile. 

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    Preferring The 'Wrong' Version

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    Jeez - it's about preference 🙄

     

    So many of these threads seem to unnecessarily descend into discussion about the pseudo-philosophy of creating and performing music; it's supposed to be fun. 

     

    It's fine to love and hate things with no justification and it's also fine to call something crap whilst not meaning it's objectively and universally bad.

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    Songs that you hate with a passion

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    2 hours ago, HMX said:

    That faux folk sound around the time Lumineers were ho-heying and stomping their feet. Home by Edward Sharpe and the magnetic zeroes, anything Mumfordy. I’ve built up tolerance for adjacent stuff over the years but I still can’t handle that stuff.

    This. Ten times over. 

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    Songs that you hate with a passion

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    13 hours ago, Shaggy said:

    We do love a “negative” thread! 🤔.  Some of these mentioned are to my mind the greatest songs of all time (Bohemian Rhapsody / Stairway to heaven / any ABBA), and it’s pretty clear from the foregoing that many are hated simply through over-exposure in playing in cover bands, which I can certainly relate to  - but if you heard “Mustang Sally” or “Brown eyed girl” for the very first time, you’d almost certainly think “what a great song”!     

     

    There are songs I dislike simply through being bad; (eg “Agadoo”, “Grandad”, any rap / thrash metal), but what really makes me reach for the OFF button on the radio is a song that I really should like (by genre / artist) but is ruined in some way by mannerism or pretension; Joy Division were one of my favourite bands (I was lucky enough to see live), but whilst New Order have written some good stuff I find the sub-Kraftwerk vocals very hard indeed to listen to; likewise the fake reggae singing on any later UB40 is simply painful - and this was the band who early on did the fabulous “King” and “Food for thought”.    

    Woah there, tiger! Any rap/thrash metal is bad music huh? Not sure about that one. I do love to hate examples from each though!

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    Songs that you hate with a passion

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    1 hour ago, bubinga5 said:

    😆.. Yeah maybe.  Its not the music its me, which I said a version of that to a girl once. I get it, I recognise them as great songs, but the songs just dont do it for me.  The rhythms of alot of songs, the chord changes etc etc,,  I dont like the color teal, so thats about how much my opinion matters..  But....   I find a sniff of euro pop about them. 

    A sniff? 🤣 

    Songs that you hate with a passion

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    2 hours ago, TheGreek said:

    Sorry...I can't let this thread go any further without saying the unsayable...

     

    Bob Marley's album "Legend" - totally killed his work for me. Nearly everyone I know has that album/ CD - their only venture into reggae ( well maybe "Labour of love" by UB40 too).

    It saddens me to tentatively agree with this. The truly special original recording of 'No Woman, No Cry' destroyed forever. 

    Songs that you hate with a passion

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    22 minutes ago, super al said:

    I used to hate some music with a passion but have found myself softening up in recent years.

    I don't mind the Smiths, pre 80s Bowie, Abba... I can even listen to the Pet Shop Boys without kicking the radio at the wall!

    Maybe I'm not as serious about music as I used to be 🤔 ... I think that started when I shifted to 5 string basses 😂

    Oh, the Pet Shop Boys...

    And they've been wheeled out again recently! 😭😭😭

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    Songs that you hate with a passion

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    3 minutes ago, bassbiscuits said:

    Not one I’ve ever been asked to play (thankfully) but Cher’s ‘Believe’ has to be one of the worst songs I’ve ever heard. 
     

    I’d probably put Beyonce’s new country tune in that category too tbh. Ghastly. 

    That Beyonce song is an abomination.

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