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I have recently acquired a Barefaced 210s and Ashdown ABM Evo iv 600W

Its plenty loud enough for most situations (I do think its as loud as a good 410 as advertising suggests). On the rare occasions when I have a bigger gig with no PA support I intend to pair it with another cab. I have an ampeg 410 that I can pair it with, but I'm considering replacing that with another Barefaced 210s.

A Barefaced 210s can run at 4ohms or 12 ohms. The ashdown head can push 600w at 4ohms. So a single cab can potentially receive the the full 600w from the amp.

If I run 2 cabs, Ill need to switch the cabs to 12ohms, So I'm guessing I could be pushing around 450w split between both cabs at 6ohms. 

Therefore is the potential volume of a cab on its own is way more than that of a paired cab?

Would 300w to a single cab, be half as loud as 600w (is it linear)?

What is potential volume increase as a percentage if I run a second cab?

Hopefully the above makes sense.

Thanks 

Alex

I use Camtasia for work occasionally. It’s fairly inexpensive and ok for my needs, not sure I’d wanna use it on a regular basis.

I had a quick look at EZ vid. It looked fairly similar to camtasia in terms of functionality.

Most people I know that make videos on a regular basis use Premier

I’d go Colin Greenwood. I think he’s underrated by Radiohead even as he’s generally pretty low in the mix.

He’s no virtuoso but I think he picks the right notes at the right times, can groove, and if you listen to something like jigsaw falling in to place, it’s a pretty inventive bass line for that chord progression, the ghost notes work really well.

43 minutes ago, Nail Soup said:

Works: Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band...... fantastic album.

 

Doesnt work: I think generally not good, but a good representative example mot coming to mind

If you like that album, this is pretty interesting.

In all honesty, with a few exceptions, it’s a bit much for me. Clear spot however..

I play the 1200w ABM Evo 4 at my rehearsal room - love it! So much so that I bought the 600w version a couple of weeks ago (before the b stocks were available).  It’s a great amp, love the valve drive on it.

I tried the orange terror 500 in a shop, I didn’t really like the way it distorted 

19 minutes ago, andy67 said:

Superb turntables! are you playing it through the compact system on the left? If so, you oughta here the Rega with other separates, Wow!  

Yes they’re good. I’d love to get some decent hifi stuff but I don’t get to listen to it too much as my kids have taken over the entertainment in the living room.

I mostly listen to stuff on my phone with some decent headphones or in the car

25 minutes ago, andy67 said:

Nice Rega RP1 in the background 👍

That’s a great spot!

If anyone still interested, I decided not to go class D.

In the end it was between a Handbox R400 (WOT’s demos are great) and the Ashdown ABM.  I know (and love) the ABM really well,  so went with the safe option, also I found myself wanting to go British and support my local shop.

So, I kind of half fulfilled the brief of putting together a lightweight rig!

Id love to try a handbox at some point. Hopefully there will be some events in the future when this COVID crap goes away.

very happy - thanks for your help everyone!

Obviously these lists are subjective, and You can pick holes in them fairly easily. The hole I’ll pick is surely Electric ladyland is superior to are you experienced!

The tone on the live version of a forest by the cure.

I think it sounds much bigger and more aggressive than the lp version which is quite minimalist.

As others have said, it’s all about context of where it sits in the mix with other instruments. I think the tone here is perfect for the song

My mum had an obsession with prince, so I was listening to that from a young age - which didn’t hurt!

my uncle played guitar. When I got a bass he took a lot of interest and would often come round grab my bass and play along to chilli peppers and Beatles records - probably the only decent records in my Collection according to him. I would just watch in awe, and when he finished I would try and replicate something close to what he had done.

good times!

2 minutes ago, Thunderbird said:

Awesome thing to do I've done it myself with a slight twist I sold my stuff then donated the money to charity I don't give much away now as in the past I have seen stuff I have given to people to help them out go straight on ebay so at least if I donate the cash I know my effort will go to a good cause 100 percent 

That’s a good shout

With my new cab and head (still not decided yet!) incoming. I will have some surplus bass gear - heads and cabs. Rather than selling these I’m considering donating them.

The only place I can think to donate them to is my old school - I don’t know if they would even want it, it’s been many years since I was there!.

I want them to be used and looked after. Anybody know of any other good causes/organisations to donate this type of thing to?

What’s the rrp on these?

Just a quick question which I’m sure you guys will be able to answer quickly and loosely relates to this thread.

I’m gonna test my bf cab 210s with the Abm 1200 head at rehearsal. I’m ok to run that cab and head together if I set the cab to 12ohms right? It’s a 500w cab

2 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

In regard to the TC, I suspect it's not the power amp that is the question - more the sum total and that weird compression thing they implemented.

I am starting to wonder if that’s the case, as I’ve said a few times, the notes sound like they sustain for too long, meaning you lose some dynamics.

I used to scoop the mids when I was using my Hartke ha5500, until I realised the effect it was having in the mix. Now I have my mids boosted a little.

The purpose of this thread was not me saying class d heads are rubbish - I honestly don’t know. I’m just doing my research before making a purchase.

ultimately, it could be that I just don’t like the tc head. From the sounds of it a lot of people are more than happy with class D so there’s no reason why I shouldn’t be if I get the right head.

That said, I’m now thinking a lot about an ABM.

many thanks to everyone who participated.

6 minutes ago, gjones said:

In the Pirate Studios in Edinburgh, they have an Ashdown RM 500, going through a newish Ashdown 4x10.

The setup had a really impressive thump at volume, when the band was playing loud.

After a few rehearsals, I was very impressed and brought in my old UK built, Ashdown Evo III, for a comparison. 

There wasn't much difference in the sound and If anything, the Ashdown RM 500 was the better sounding amp.

 

That’s interesting. From what I understand the evo iv is a step up on the evo3. I have used the Abm Evo 4 1200w at rehearsal room and I like it a lot. Particularly the valve drive which is way, way more subtle than the rootmaster.

7 minutes ago, Mudpup said:

That's 4 amps with quite distinctive and different tonal signatures. An interesting and diverse selection. I would go for the used ABM600 evo4 if it was me....

To be fair, there just heads I’ve shortlisted based on budget and reviews.

im gonna find some time to visit bass gallery in Camden, and try some out. They also stock bf 210s there, so I’ll be able to test with the cab I use too.

I know you mentioned the Quilter earlier, that head has caught my attention, but the eq seems a little limited. I know there is a used one for sale on here not too far away either. Might be worth a little investigation

Well, there seems to be enough people speaking in favour of class D for me to take a punt on it.

Ashdown RM 500

Aguilar tonehammer 500

eich t500

gk mb fusion 500

decisions decisions!

I’ll also keep my eyes open for a used ABM evo 4 . I do like the valve drive on that head

29 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

Totally agree, and I much prefer Marks straight down to business approach as well, with no needless filler and waffle. 

I'm not saying Scott isn't a great musician, or a great teacher. He's just not my cup of tea. You can't please everyone. 

I think Scot has probably put the majority of instructional information on YouTube that he’s ever going to.

so videos now are purely entertainment, or rehashing of existing content. And of course encouraging people to look at his site.

i still enjoy it regardless. I regularly watch Scot, Rick Beato, and guitar pilgrim. If I want to learn a technique I’m more likely to watch mark or josh fosgreen (the older channel) or an old Scot video

9 minutes ago, Jus Lukin said:

But that doesn't add up!

It's either has enough headroom, in that you can get to the volume you need without the signal being altered, or or it isn't, in that by the time it is loud enough it is altering the signal. The point on the dial is irrelevant- so many factors in how a rig as a system can be topped out, could be the power section, could be the speaker/s, could even be the room.

You may have to forgive my ignorance on this subject.

for me, when it’s loud I struggle to hear the detail in tone quite as well. This is true of all amps I have tried.

What I can tell is how the bass cuts through in the mix and it just doesn’t feel the same up at higher volumes - perhaps it is a headroom thing - I’m not sure, but I don’t feel like I’m really pushing the head too hard.

take your point about the room. Strangely, I’ve always thought it sounded better in larger rooms.

4 minutes ago, Chienmortbb said:

 

The “ magic” in TC heads is a form of compression and the TC 500 is actually around 300-350 watts into 4 ohms if I remember correctly. 

Would this account for the unusually long sustain on the notes do you think?

So far I’ve tried

ashdown rm evo2

Little mark 3

ampeg pf350

orange terror

aguilar th 700

The only one I didn’t like was the orange - didn’t really like the way it distorted.

the tonehammer initially sounded best to me, but I think that’s because I played it through an Aguilar cab. Yesterday I tried the ashdown and rootmaster in the same cabs & I probably preferred the ashdown. Could certainly do more with the eq anyway.

however till I get to the band environment, I’m not gonna know.

I don’t think my issue is anything to do with headroom. The TC is loud - I don’t think ive had it past 12oclock on the master and I’m not clipping the preamp. It just seems to lose the thud in the mix at gigs.