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On the chest? On the Stomach? On the Crotch? On the Knees? Where do you wear yours? And why?

Metallica would have been a place that I would have expected to find good bass......Jason Newsted is pretty well know as is Robert Trujillo. And they are a guitar based rawk band.

Battle of who could care less - Ben folds, In fact most BFF bass lines are hot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Ohxr3RbP4

Monsters Inc - Jazz intro/theme tune - Storming walking bass and fills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwSNDRP90o Not sure if the linky works.....my internet proxy is in Germany!

To my mindset: Speakers mean impact to the audience - More speakers = more air shifted Headroom means volume before it distorts - More headroom means more depth, clarity and sensitivity More Watts means drive for the speakers - Overall guts of the rig and how much wind you can shift But this is how my brain works and how it feels to me......completely non technical....!

Well, If I keep 2 x 210's @ 4ohm; I have full power from each power amp effectively, so I can pick and choose a bit. I could also just get hold of a 4 ohm 'big' cab, 410, 610 if I really needed the oomph for a bigger gig! I think that storage space is really a key thing for me and weight.

Yeah - I see wht you are sayin' I can easily add more 'ooomph' top the rig with a daisy chain. I think that 500w through 2 x 210 cabs would be enough for most gigs locally......any thoughts on this?

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1357656178' post='1926085'] Are you aware that when you run two 4 ohm cabs the load is 2 ohms ? The amp impedance rating applies to when you're using the maximum number of cabs that you ever intend to. If you intend to run two cabs they should be 8 ohm, so that the combined load is 4 ohms. It's true that you could series wire two four ohm cabs for an 8 ohm load, but that means the output of the amp will be less with two cabs than with one, which is the exact opposite of what you want. [/quote] Ah - I see where you are now. Okay the amp has 2 x 250w outputs (it has dual power amps) @ 4 ohm each. So, I will run a cab from each output - 4 ohm each cab. I could daisy chain 2 x 8 ohm cabs, but using 1 cab for practice would lower my power to 150 watts at 8 ohms - I may as well keep it simple 'point 2 point' rather then daisy chain. Looks something like this in my head: 250w @ 4ohm --------------4ohm 400w 210 cab 250w @ 4ohm --------------4ohm 400w 210 cab what you are saying is: 250w @ 4ohm -------------- 8 ohm 400w cab ----------- 8 ohm 400w cab 250w @ 4ohm - xnot connectedx I must admit that I like the idea of daisy chaining the cabs @ 8 ohm. Gives me scope to run a second 'set' of cabs/another cabinet.....However, I don't have the storage space for the full works and I think that 2 x 210's will suffice for quite a while and worst case I can always replace one of the 210's with a 410 to shift a bit more air.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1357650200' post='1925923'] Bad idea. You want 8 ohm cabs. That way there's no need for special cables, which always succumb to Murphy's Law just before a gig. I wouldn't give them credit for having that level of expertise. Either use the Peaveys or have someone with the requisite skill pick a suitable replacement do it for you. That means not only modeling different choices with speaker modeling software but also comparing SPL charts, as T/S modeling only works up to about 300Hz. [/quote] Special cables? The amp is designed around 4 ohm cabs! The Theile values look very similiar - I think there is a 3 cu in difference between the drivers.

In fact they seem to be better specced than the original, now missing, Peavey Sheffield speakers....... Peavey Sheffield: http://www.stagebeat.com/Peavey-Sheffield-TVX-1035-Speaker-Driver-10-150w-4-Ohm-30777241-114108 Pro Music: http://cdn.avslgroup.com/downloads/thielesmall_902127.pdf - see line 902.433

So, it will be 2 x 210 4 ohm cabs. Just need to grab the shells and buy a set of 8ohm speakers/parallel wire. Any recommendations? I was gonna go with these: http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=SKT902433&browsemode=category - cheap and they seem to have the same specs as the cabs were previously loaded with.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1357643733' post='1925728'] OBBM is a cable maker on here (user ID is OBBM). Here's his website... [url="http://bassic-bits.co.uk/"]http://bassic-bits.co.uk/[/url] Getting full power to a single cab isn't going to make it noticably louder though. [/quote] Thanks dude - I contacted yer man. He has put me on the straight an narrow - what I am asking for defies the laws of physics.....I should not have just asked for perpetual motion...! Perfect description from OBBM and what my options are

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1357640922' post='1925670'] Don't get caught up in trying to get the full power of your amp. You wont gain anything from it (especially volume). To use 2 4Ω cabs & maintain 4Ω, you would need a special cable made (which OBBM could do for you). [/quote] Oooh! Who's OBBM? So - get this right - 2 x 4 ohm parallel wired cabs - weird cable - 4 ohm at amp? not 2 ohm right?

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1357598539' post='1925295'] Make each cab 8Ω. 2 cabs daisychained would then make a 4Ω load. No idea about the speakers with that info. Have a look at Eminence & Celestion for speakers. Ideally, you want to find out the specs of the drivers that were originally in the cabs & then get drivers to match. If the cab's ain't tuned to the drivers then you run the risk of either having a crap sound from good drivers or even damaging the drivers. [/quote] Thanks - I would like to try for 4 ohm at the amp as I would then get full power.....so, I could use 1 cab at 4 ohm for practice and then daisy chain another cab for live, but maintain 4ohms.......actually, it does not matter that much!!

Alright - next question. I am going to build 2 210 cabs - wired in parallel at 4 ohm total load for each cab. How do I patch these together for a total 4 ohm load at the amp? The only way I cam think to do it is by cabling the cabinets in series or using a patch box.....I.e cabling the cabs to the patch box then to the amp.

Addendum; what sensitivity and frequency range should I be looking at in a speaker? [list] [*]Frequency Response: 30Hz - 5Khz [*]SPL @1W/1m: 90dB [/list] Is this good?

I'd also like to point out that bass players have a longer scale-length - it's important......!

[quote name='MonkeyTrick' timestamp='1357465685' post='1922851'] Alternatively, I have 2 empty Peavey 210 tx cabs sitting around. Pm me if you're interested! [/quote] PM'd!!! let me know!

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1357501087' post='1923692'] think the superflys are similar to the little giant in that they have 2 amps in them basically so you can run 4 Ohms a side. andy [/quote] Yes - this is correct - 2 x 250w at 4 ohms per side. A bit weird, but a neat way of creating a bit of power without a huge amount of amp space. so, 4 ohm per side. i.e. 2 x 8 ohm drivers in parallel!

I think I am going to build my own cabs; Build a butted box (non dovetailed), single port and 2 x 10" driver cutouts, central support between the drivers.....How hard can it be? Firstly - Pine or MDF? Fixed or floating baffle board? What works best?

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1357236571' post='1919617'] Hello, and welcome! Happy new year to you! Got a question, just for my own curiosity. Why switch from guitar to bass when you were already a pro player with loads of lovely vintageyness? Also, the boy-band, where you in any way a member of the boy-band, or a session musician for them while on tour? That being said, i play bass and guitar (bass to a bad standard, guitar to an even worse standard) and i still prefer bass. I don't think being a guitarist makes for being a bad bassists, but i think guitarists who think that playing bass is just playing the root notes of the guitar chord are normally the worst (in terms of bass playing ability, and just to talk to generally ) But i have found a fair few guitarists pretending they could play bass. My mate's a guitarist of 8 years, and actually now filling in on bass in his punk band untill they find a decent bassist. I believe he is making a fair job of it. [/quote] Wow! Thanks for all the fantastic greetings! Happy New Year all! Bassists are far more sociable than guitarists! I was a session guy on tour - I got picked up, so to speak, playing some jazz guitar at a shop in Denmark St in London. I was asked to audition with the session band, got the gig. The only reason I did it was for the dance routine girls.....standing in an Orchestra pit looking up at tight buns jiggling about, whilst trying to concentrate on failrly complex music makes you, or breaks you - I broke allot! The reason for the switch from guitar to bass was the admiration for bass players. There is nothing quite like hearing a great bassline - it makes or break a song. A solid rythm section in a band is really the measure of the band, the guitar player and vocalist can do whatever they want and will be considered 'eccentric' or 'avant-garde'. The bass player has to be more in tune with the beat, the feel and the groove - adding in fills while keeping a steady bottom end is really difficult. I kinda found that over my ~20+ years of playing guitar - I got pretty good (calm the ego boyo!). But I could get away with playing like my hand was broken when I felt like it. I started to never play the same solo twice on songs - I could Eddie Van Halen up a folk song on an acoustic guitar. Rather than playing a minor chord in a piece, I would play the 11th and funkify it.....basically, I was screwing around because I could. Equipment became more and more important; the 'right' guitar, the 'right' amp. I still believe that 80% of being a good musician is not about how well you play, but how good the sound you make it, i.e. it is pleasing to listen to. Anyway, I could never ever shift the admiration that I have for a good bassist - I even played allot of guitar gigs through a bass amp (Marshall Super Bass 100W Jubilee head 25/50!). I am trying like hell not to 'root note' anything to death, although sometimes it has to go with the song and the job is to provide the steady bottom end. But I like the fact that there is limited 'fill' time, you can add in some percussion on the bass (I would have been a drummer, but I cannot get all my limbs to move independantly - Watching a good drummer like Thomas Pridgen is just the best!). I heard an interview recently with 'Fieldy' from KoRn - He was saying that what I thought was double tap kick drum, was in fact him slapping up the bass - sweet! How cool is that, not just adding colour to the tune, but adding percussion and bottom end. Good bass players are like the Picasso's of the music world - sometimes it is funny looking, but when you really understand it, it hits you on all levels. Anyway, enough jabber from me. On the Cab front - I borrowed an Ampeg 2 x 10 Classic cab. Works and treat and is bloody light. I think I might get hold of some reclaimed wood and build my own 2 x 10 cab.....anyone know if I should build a fixed or floating baffle board? Cheers A

I have a query; My Superfly amp has 2 x 250w outputs @ 4 ohms. So, I can run 2 cabs @ 4 ohms for full power. My preference is for 10" speakers. I could run two 2 x10" 4ohm cabs : just taking using 1 for practice and running both for gigs. However, buying 2 cabs is not cheap and finding cheap 2 x 10" cabs @ 4 ohm that can handle more than 250w of powers is proving tricky. I could re-load 2 and re-wire 2 old cabs, again, this is tricky. So, I could buy an old 4 x 10" and re wire it to be two 2 x 10" in the same enclosure.......just means I have to lug a 4 x 10" everywhere. Thoughts? Loss of a tweeter is a bit of a bugger.

http://www.ashdownmusic.com/bass/software/SuperFly1.40.zip The link on the website does not work - this is a bit of a hack!

Thanks for the cab recommendation - I was thinking a bit smaller and cheaper though! My thoughts are 2 x 10 times 2 running at 4ohm or splitting a 4 x 10 into two 2 x 10's......not sure what would work best!

And a Happy New year So, why am I here? I am an ex pro guitar player.....alright, I only had 2 pro tours, but they were big...for a boy band....lets leave it there! Anyway, I have always 'toyed' with bass and find it a fascinating instument to groove on. Unfiortunately, I play bass the way I play guitar - something I am trying to change as time goes by...IMHO guitar players make bad bassists....but I am keen to re-learn. My guitar equipment has all gone now due to space, kids and so on - so, I am keeping bass kit on the light and mobile side. My guitar amp collection included some beautful vintage amps and a some vintage guitars which, when auctioned payed for nearly half of my house! I am playing bass in a covers band at the moment, just keeping it simply clone playing, but enjoying the groove and the power in the rythm section. My favourite Bassists; tough choice really, but I like Peter Cetera, Fieldy, Flea and a guy I saw play at Cafe Wha! in NYC, he was very cool and played with such a relaxed style. My favourite guitar player was Terry Kath. I already own a German built Warwick Corvette bass and now own an Ashdown Superfly amp. Should be enough to start with! I am lucky enough that my father in law has played bass for 40 years + and has a plethora of vintage basses inclusing a '60's Thunderbird, '68 EB1 and a '67 Rivoli along with a classic Ampeg SVT 350 + cabs...I am borrowing a cab from him at the moment! Anyway, I could do with cab advice - the Superfly cabs are not made anymore but I need 4 ohm 2 x 10 - are there any that are factory built? I could buy an old cab a reload and re-wire, but I don't want to go down that route unless I have to! Any advice on settings on the superfly would be great too.