StraightSix

Well the Orange SP410 is also isobaric (like the SP210) so the same lack of Vd applies. The SP410 will only have a displacement of 300cc compared to the BF Compact at 566cc...and it weighs 64lbs versus 27lbs for the Compact.

The regular Orange 4X10 will give a Volume displacement of 600cc but it weighs 95lbs

An Isobaric speaker has one 12" driver behind the other so only one is hanging out the front and in contact with the air therefore measurements such as SPL (how loud it can go) will be determined as if it were a 1X12...ie, not very loud.

You need a better cab that is capable of moving far more air...your (effectively) 1X12 cab has an approximate Volume displacement (air movement capability) of around 250cc whereas a properly designed 2X12 would have a Vd around 680cc - almost three times as much.

I will now quote Bill Fitzmaurice from another thread: Doubling driver displacement offers the same increase in volume as quadrupling your power output.

[quote name='Kye' timestamp='1333798487' post='1606608']
XGSJX, I want it to be at least 800 watts because that what my head runs at 8 Ohms. I don't want to blow anything up or cause any damage to a cab by overpowering it.
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Cab RMS wattage ratings are mostly to be taken with a pinch of salt in reality - they are normally rated at the maximum wattage before the voice coils melt.

The bigger problem is the speaker excursion - very few 10" drivers can handle their true wattage rating and will bottom out (hit their excursion limits) well before they exceed their RMS maximum rating.

Lots more info here: [url="http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/understanding-power-handling.htm"]http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/understanding-power-handling.htm[/url]

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1333801495' post='1606671']
The current WT800A is 440w at 8 ohm & 880w bridged at 8 ohm (1100w at 4 ohm).
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Sounds like it's made for the BF Super 12 (a 4 ohm cab).

[quote name='Kye' timestamp='1333796016' post='1606536']
@winterfire666

Yeah there is a SWR G3 going cheap on here too, so might be worth looking into them a bit more, just can't seem to find any sound clips of the thing.

As I said to Fuzz I'm a bit unsure about the barefaced cabs as I wasn't blown away by the one I played through. Hey maybe I just need to give them a another chance, but the cab it self been portable isn't to much of a problem for me. Although it would be nice to have a light and small cab haha!
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winterfire said his SWR G3 (4X10) with his Big Ben (1X18) combined still got blown away by a Barefaced S12 - you should seriously consider them, they are leading the technology race in modern bass cab design and sound incredible - I've never heard a better bass cab and I've tried many.

Also, the BF Super 12 weighs 40lbs which is a revelation for a cab that can handle 1000W RMS easily.

Oh, and that Vintage T in the For Sale section is sold

Sorry no - but it's exactly like this one:

[url="http://www.westone.info/thunder3afretlessbass.html"]http://www.westone.info/thunder3afretlessbass.html[/url]

I don't think the original Westone Thunder fretless was available lined - the only way you will get one is to buy a de-fretted example.

I haven't played much fretless but I love my unlined Thunder III and intonation isn't so difficult once you get familiar with the neck.

Also, for information, these basses can be used without batteries (in passive mode) if required.

I love mine

Here's mine:

[url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Einhell-Folding-Truck-90kg-Capacity/dp/B001GU6FYI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333786774&sr=8-1"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Einhell-Folding-Truck-90kg-Capacity/dp/B001GU6FYI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333786774&sr=8-1[/url]

It carries up to 90kg and only cost £22.39 including delivery.

It's light and packs away small - I'm very pleased with it.

Are your Very Good basses fitted with active preamps...?

The EBS can distort with very high output basses:

[url="http://www.ovnilab.com/reviews/multicomp.shtml"]http://www.ovnilab.com/reviews/multicomp.shtml[/url]

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1333743627' post='1606094']
Doubling driver displacement offers the same increase in volume as quadrupling your power output.
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The Barefaced Compact actual displacement is 566cc which is approaching four times the displacement of your SP210...

[quote name='deanovw' timestamp='1333735892' post='1605957']
I would add a Barefaced compact. That would make an awesome rig.
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+100

I'm curious about these but my understanding is that they have most effect on a hollow stage.

Studiospares also sell strips of the foam 2" X 4" and four feet in length for around £12 - I reckon a sheet of decent ply and a couple of spare carpet tiles should do the trick...anyone else tried building one...?

[url="http://www.studiospares.com/search?q=461330"]http://www.studiospa...search?q=461330[/url]

...to isolate what...?

[quote name='police squad' timestamp='1333627782' post='1604475']
Help!!!

don't we mix 10s and 15s anymore.

I thought the mix of the 2 sizes is good
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Let's reverse the question - why do you thing mixing speaker sizes is good...?

Search the bay for item No. 290689391956 for all the details.

The last one to sell on the bay went for £250

TURN OFF YOUR CAPS BUDDY...it makes it easier to read. Cheers

...and swapping four preamp valves will most likely be considerably cheaper.

[quote name='spinynorman' timestamp='1333548593' post='1603350']
Interesting discussion, as I'm sitting here with an ebay parcel all sealed up and addressed to .... Italy. I've sent basses and other things there without problems. So is my luck about to run out?
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I think in general Italy is not a major problem but the customs delays can cause a lot of hassle for the buyer and seller.

Always make sure the Italian buyer is aware that there may be delays of some weeks on occasion.

That is a fine example of what can be acheived (albeit you do it all the time...!).

I've been reading about your work Ou7shined - that looks great...!

If it were mine, I would either get a pale mint green scratchplate and be done or I would go tortoiseshell scratchplate with a black pickup cover....lovely

*Edit*

Like this:

[url="http://cdn1.gbase.com/usercontent/gear/2984579/p1_ut3jqe4xx_so.jpg"]http://cdn1.gbase.com/usercontent/gear/2984579/p1_ut3jqe4xx_so.jpg[/url]

Good luck and don't forget to post it in the Build Diaries.

[quote name='S9_S12_Bass' timestamp='1333486535' post='1602523']
Lol and what is a 'proper' bass then
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Hehe

It's probably creating a short when the string is resting on the pickup pole as the string is in contact with the bridge which is (normally) earthed. I should add that I'm no electrical engineer so i may be wrong.

[quote name='CBbass' timestamp='1333486370' post='1602517']
Isn't this the wrong section?
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It's been on here since Xmas so I guess it's OK - I'm looking for a bass in trade which is why I put it here

Bumpety bump...