Linus27

[quote name='jcater' timestamp='1327414313' post='1510799'] Have tried to resist but in the end it's just impossible, Amp and 2 classic 12's on order. Will post any observations once received. Life would be so much easier if companies stopped bringing out new gear. Just think of the money we could all save. [/quote] HAHA you won't be disapointed.

Sounds cool mate.

[quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1327365793' post='1510225'] I've got a new set of strings waiting to go on the Streamer, and a stack of Depeche Mode songs to start transcribing. If only my tuner hadn't ran out of battery! Means I'm having to hold off changing the strings until I can grab another 9v battery! [/quote] Why Depeche Mode? You in a Depeche Mode cover band?

Really enjoyed that Andy, best stuff you have done so far.

[quote name='bassmerchant' timestamp='1327325316' post='1509282'] Hi Linus yep we hope to have the ebs classic 1x12 in stock [/quote] Great news, thank you.

[quote name='Fitz666' timestamp='1327309840' post='1508967'] Sorry but anyone speaking like that to me, especially when I am doing them the favour, would be left in a snotty heap. [/quote] Ooooh grim, you would had blown your runny nose on them? I guess thats one way to show your not happy

How is everyone getting on with their Reidmar so far?

Can I offer to poo in his shoes if still required at the party. I can also bring sausages rolls and a can of Tizer

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1327230691' post='1507961'] It has a Jazz body, a Jazz neck, and one Jazz pickup, and Fender sell it as a Jazz bass. One Jazz pickup is replaced by a Precision pickup. I'd say it's not a P/J, if anything it's a J/P, but it's definitely not a Precision, it's much more a Jazz bass. [/quote] Again and this is splitting hairs and down to interpritation but for me (I take it this is the Reggie Hamilton Bass you have shown) Fender actually call this the Reggie Hamilton Standard Jazz Bass and not just the Standard Jazz bass. It comes with a P pickup and a J pickup, a bass extender and is active/passive. Those features were not on the original concept of Leo's first Jazz so to me this is just Fenders evolution of their Jazz bass in the same way that the latest Mini Cooper is an evolution of the 60's Mini Cooper. In my opinion, giving a total stranger and non bass playing person a Reggie Hamilton Jazz bass and saying this is true representation of an original Jazz bass based on Leo Fenders original concept would be very misleading.

[quote name='Darkstrike' timestamp='1327203146' post='1507837'] Does that mean Jaco's bass wasn't a Jazz, because he pulled the frets out and the pickguard off, making it different from what Fender envisioned? Not to mention he used to put a P bass neck on it sometimes... [/quote] No, it was a Jazz bass in its original state when first purchased. What he did to it afterwards is up to him. Removing the pickguard is probably like changing the laces in your trainers from black ones to white ones. Removing the frets is like removing the laces all together but they still remain as trainers. Its like like they suddenly turn into Wellington boots.

Finding the following settings to work really well with my Warwick Streamer LX4. COMPRESSION: 12 o' Clock BASS: 12 o' Clock MID: 10 o' Clock FREQ: 10 o' Clock TREBLE: 12 o' Clock BRIGHT: Off Really punchy, articulate and full.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1326987800' post='1504787'] Haha, style isn't their strongpoint! [/quote] Which is unusual for Italians

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1327182595' post='1507668'] It's got the offset body, the 1.5" nut, and it also says Fender Jazz Bass on it. I'd say it's in the family. As for tone, Jazz basses don't have only one tone. [/quote] Ok but the original Jazz did not have a split Precision pickup so tonally it is not accurate to the original concept. If I went to a shop and asked for a Fender Jazz and got given that then I would be very annoyed. Yes it has the characteristics of the jazz but tonally and pickups make it a different beast. A bit like the difference between an analogue watch and a digital watch perhaps. Both watches, both with straps and round faces and both tell the time by different methods. Yes you can call it a Jazz but its not the original concept.

[indent=1]Yep, defo the right thing. Sounds like the guy has a massive ego and a control freak.[/indent]

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1327171879' post='1507455'] ... and here's another Jazz bass: [/quote] Is that not a PJ bass and a new breed of bass? If if its a copy of the original Fender Jazz then its a very bad one as it has the wrong pickup config and tone?

[quote name='Gareth Hughes' timestamp='1327161392' post='1507245'] Probably already been said here (haven't read everything yet) but Bill Nash made a fair point, I think, in that once Leo Fender sold Fender then EVERYTHING became a copy of Fender. I might be re-interpreting what he said but the gist of it was that it was Leo who made Fender what it was therefore without him, it's a copy in the same way Sadowsky or Lakland, etc is. For example - If Leo Fender never set foot in any of the Japanese Fender factories, then how can they be said to be a Fender? They are just making copies. Not a bad thing - just a different thing than if Leo was making them. Who builds the best is up to individual assessment. [/quote] But did everything become of copy when Leo sold it. Surely if the original designs and drawings were used then the original concept has been kept and continued despite who is sitting in the big chair at the top? Did Leo take all the machine tools, drawings etc with him and said right up to the new owners to draw their own designs?

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1327159549' post='1507210'] [size=4]This is just my opinion, but as far as 5 string Jazz basses are concerned, Nordstrand and Mike Lull are making far better instruments than Fender have ever built, closely followed by Lakland.[/size] [/quote] Can you explain a little more on this? Why is their copy better than the original? Are you saying that these copies are closer to the original concept than what Fender are making now or are you just saying that you prefer the look and feel of these copies? I am just interested in your use of the word better and don't forget we are talking tonally as well as build quality.

[quote name='Mornats' timestamp='1327151241' post='1507020'] Just like cars. Ford made the first mass produced car - the Model T. Today, Ford's are still arguably quite good cars in their class but others do them better (and others do them worse). But if you're like me, you'd look at a Ford, accept they're good then buy something more individual, just because that's your personal taste. Which is why I drive a Mitsubishi Lancer and play an Overwater Contemporary J. Fenders - yep, lovely and a classic and I have uber respect for them. They're just not for me. As for whether a non-Fender jazz is truly a jazz or not. Hmmm, not a true jazz perhaps but a development of one, just as a sports coupé or executive estate is an extension of the original Model T idea. Evolution baby. [/quote] I don't buy this theory as its too broad. Saying Ford produced the first mass produced car would be the same as saying Fender produced the first mass produced bass and not just the Jazz specificly.

Ok, this is all very interesting but it seems that most have commented on the shape and look but not much on the Jazz tone. Is there a defined Jazz tone that Leo Fender originally set out and if yes, do these other brands even emulate it? Has modern Fender Jazzes strayed so far way from the original Jazz tone?

OK, so this is going to be a bit open to abuse and personel opinion but it could be interesting to hear peoples thoughts on this. Fender invented the Jazz bass and in theory is the benchmark of what a Jazz bass should be all about. If you wanted the Jazz bass of Jazz basses, then you would buy a Fender right? I mean, if you wanted a Ferrari F40, you wouldn't go and buy an MR2. However, yesterday, i was talking to a very well known and respected bass retailer who gave me the impression that he was not overly impressed with Fender's especially the quality of the pickups. He then went on to explain that other brands make better. I can't help but think that other brands would just be a copy and unless it sounds exactly like a Fender Jazz then its not really a true representation of a Jazz bass. An example is the Bartolini pickups in my Jazz sound fantastic but are much smoother and darker than stock Fender Jazz pickups so in reality don't give that true Jazz tone. Unless that is, if Fender have gone astray and their current take of their Fender Jazz is nothing like the original concept of a Fender Jazz and these other brands are closer to what an original Fender Jazz was all about. I see a lot of people talk about Sadowsky, Lakland, Sandberg etc making great Jazz basses but what makes them better or is it just perception? Ok, craftmanship I can understand as Fender does/have had some QA issue but unless these other brands are using the Fender Jazz pickups then surely if it sounds different then its not a true representation of a Jazz bass. So, I would be interested in hearing the interpritation of what the Fender Jazz is tonally and its relation to other brands take on the Jazz bass especially in regards to the pickups and tone a Jazz should have. I also want to add that in no way am I being Pro Fender or anti any other brand. I am just interested in where we started with the Jazz bass and where we are now. Has it developed into just a famous shape with two pickups, one in the bridge and one in the neck position and thats enough to call it a Jazz bass and the original Fender tone, if there was an intentional one has become second to just the look and features. I hope that makes sense

To me, this is what bass playing is all about. groove, melody, chord progression and expression. None of this 1000 x slap notes that just sound like a bag of bolts being shaken in a metal tube. Just my personel opinion of course.

and another vote for Bob here. I have used him a few times and he is great and will use him again in the future.

[quote name='shizznit' timestamp='1327093558' post='1506501'] Ahhh...come to think of it, the same thing happened with one of my Corvette Prolines. Your description brought it all back to me (I am getting old!) [/quote] I would have to agree with you, your spellings gone to pot and you can't remember your EQ settings. Its all down hill for you from now on