Ou7shined

Just back from our weekly practice and OMFG! I decided to travel light for a change and just took my fretless and a lead - usually take my Ibanez + GT-6B etc. etc.. Frankly we sounded unbelievable! I was having fun and the new axe inspired little fills here and there and the guys were simply blown away by how pro it sounds and were full of compliments about my own playing. I chose a completely diff EQ too. Normally I go for smiley face but in order to get a purer fretless sound I went for a sad face. Played thru the house's Ashdown MAG 300 1x15 combo, normally it feels gutless but not tonight. I just wish I could use this guitar for the whole set, like I did tonight, but there are heavy songs that it just doesn't suit and I need the tightness of frets. However we've been booked for an acoustic private session in Feb so I will probably just take it along - it will be all prettied up by then too.

[quote name='Machines' post='93441' date='Nov 23 2007, 05:50 PM']Found another compact ABM115 if you're interested Ou7shined [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ashdown-ABM-1X15-Compact-bass-cab_W0QQitemZ270190387661QQihZ017QQcategoryZ58719QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ashdown-ABM-1X15-Com...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/quote] Thanks again Machines. I've seen this one come and go 3 times now and he's not dropped the price one iota. I emailed him some cursory question a couple of times too and he never replied. Getting a bad vibe off it. Sorry. I've opened comms on [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270189309186&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017"]this one[/url] though. I know it's the older of the 2 he's selling but it matches my combo. It all seems kosher enough except he's asking an extra £10 to throw in the original grill :wacko:

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='93241' date='Nov 23 2007, 11:23 AM']+1 for 10's .... I found that mixing speaker sizes in different cabs means that you may well be compromising your EQ settings.[/quote] Good point. This makes far more sense to me than interference patterns etc.

[quote name='chris_b' post='93229' date='Nov 23 2007, 10:58 AM']I've been using 2x10 and 1x15 very successfully for many years without knowing what "....comb filtering" is and I'm afraid I haven't read the link. What kind of music are you playing? 4x10's are punchier but a 1x15 doesn't mean a lack of clarity on stage. What it will do is to give you a fuller, bigger bass sound. Maybe that is important to you? Don't be put off by techno speak. I think you should give your ears a day out and check out these combinations to hear the difference for yourself. ps Sprout curry works everytime.......[/quote] I'm in a Pearl Jam tribute. I guess you could break it down to just rock (although some of the slower stuff sounds like coun.... no I can't say it.....er.... rural American music to me) I play from ballsy to clicky to fuzzy to fretless (no longer emulated thanks to my latest project ) basically I'm trying to recreate an entire careers worth of sounds. And after 20 years of denial I am coming to terms with the fact that I [b]am[/b] actually a bass player and so have stared venturing into slap - but that's not really important kit wise it's just me piddling about. Mmmmmm sprout curry

[quote name='Machines' post='93146' date='Nov 23 2007, 07:25 AM'][url="http://www.moultonlabs.com/index.php/more/about_comb_filtering_phase_shift_and_polarity_reversal/"]<a href="http://www.moultonlabs.com/index.php/more/...arity_reversal/" target="_blank">http://www.moultonlabs.com/index.php/more/...arity_reversal/[/url]</a> Just read this through - seems feasible. However if it were a real problem that reared it's head all the time - I doubt many people would use a 410 with a 115 at all..[/quote] That's an interesting article but after the great explanation on the first page, the second page seems to suggest that although the phenomena exists our brain doesn't really register it unless you're a sound engineer trying really hard to hear it. Also it didn't mention drivers of differing size and how this applies to us. I've also thought of another possible benefit of 2x4x10. Our usual stage order is PA speakers take the outsides, and inside that from stage right to left we have lead guitar amp - drummer (centre)- bass amp - rhythm guitar amp. If I had 2 equal cabs, would placing them either side of the drums work? The idea being to disperse my front of house sound more evenly and also to some extent compensate for the inadequacies of the stage monitors. That said, however unfounded, the idea of adding a 15 still seems to make sense. It's not that my rig is particularly lacking bottom end, but it certainly doesn't produce those lows you feel (but don't necessarily hear) at pro gigs where your organs reorder themselves in your visceral cavity. I'm not really seeking sonic surgery I just want to maximise the frequency range while utilising the full whack my amp can provide. Oh I don't know. I'm still undecided but erring toward the 4x10 again.

Oh no this is about to get complicated that's more votes in favour of 2x4x10. What is this comb filtering you speak of?

[quote name='outsider70' post='92887' date='Nov 22 2007, 05:28 PM']Scientifically proven to be the best way to achieve the 'trouser flapping effect' [/quote] I can achieve that with my grannies turnip broth.

[b]Darn it! It sold on the Bay. [/b] MB1 : That's something I've wondered about. Is there a scientific reason to have the 1x15 on the floor? Obviously if Mr. Nimrod does that he'd have his amp in the middle which would look kinda odd.

Dood : thanks, that's worth noting. [b]edit - (your 1st post I mean)[/b] Machines : If you'd been here I probably would have. indeed I've PM'ed 'im. No idea how I missed it I've been keeping an eye on the for sales too.

[quote name='Machines' post='92850' date='Nov 22 2007, 04:31 PM']Oh you mean this ? [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8189"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8189[/url][/quote] I love you man... no really... I [b]love[/b] you man!

I've just remembered, I [b]do[/b] want a [b]compact[/b] :ph34r: (but still not mini) altered OP to suit. :wacko:

[quote name='Machines' post='92804' date='Nov 22 2007, 03:32 PM']I'll (eventually) go for a MAG115 in addition to my MAG210.[/quote] Yeah MAG115's are a really good price new but Ashdown told me to stay clear coz my rig would fry it.

Thanks guys. I knew I needed talking out of it. Gilmour : To clarify - when I was saying 8x10 I meant my 4x10 combo on top of a 4x10 cab. Machines : Thanks for the linkage but 300 squids is too much hence the s/h'ness of my requirements. MB1 : I can do spinal Tap. I spend half the time with one foot on a monitor pulling sex faces. David : That's exactly the idea. Although my cabs would be arse about. Your pic is sweet.

As you may know I'm looking for a s/h cab to get extra juice from my 500evo 410 combo. Ashdown (and others) have recommended me a ABM 115. I don't want a mini, I'd like to have a matched stack. Been searching for a couple of weeks now but a full sized one isn't forthcoming. However 410's are popping up all over the shop. Would I be shooting myself in the foot by going 8x10. Obviously I'd get more power from the amp (the extra weight is a consideration too) but would I noticeably lose out on a wider frequency range by not getting a 115?

We've got a manager (the lovely Suzi) and she has done really well for us but she feels a bit stretched with a 2 year old to look after and also that she has taken things with us as far as she can with her limited experience. It was her idea to put together a Pear Jam tribute act, she organised the auditions and has been busy getting gigs for us since then. But she feels that we deserve better and if the truth be told she wants time off to actually enjoy her favourite band (us) instead of sitting at the door taking money or rushing around finding a working PA 30 minutes before the start of the gig. We get a hell of a lot of interest from Ireland on our webby and could easily do a tour over there and from my own experience I know that we'd go down a storm in Deutschland. It's just that we don't know how to go about organising it. Are there agents that put on tours for kick ass unsigned bands?

[quote name='Jase' post='92493' date='Nov 22 2007, 01:09 AM']Yes, I agree play what you think you should be playing but you also need to know if what you're playing is actually any good...( this isn't directed at ou7shined by the way I'm talking in general terms) some art it just complete toss and some playing is just stupid arrogance.[/quote] Agreed. I've never "got" Jackson Polock, I find it kind of pointless but there is some abstract expressionism that does appeal to me, regardless, there are people out there that will appreciate art right across the board. Flea is a good example of a busy busy player but latterly he has chilled. He can still technically come up with the goods but where he's at just now is not the same as Mothers Milk or BSSM. Neither is right or wrong.

<---- I was warned that it would be a bad idea to start with because of the added heat but paradoxically it stops the sweat getting into my eyes... and looks a bit better than Mark Knopfler's headband.

There's a lot of good advice here but I say this - Good communication in writing partnerships is paramount but whatever you do, play it the way [b]you[/b] want to play it and if it don't fit go find a band where it does. Original music should be all about artistic expression and not about doing what you think others need or want to hear. We all have our own individual styles so why conform to someone else's idea of what you aught to be doing - unless were talking about taking constructive advice from a bass guru.... always listen to your guru.

We've never cleared a floor before, we usually start off with a stand-off-ish crowd (que singers joke about the space on the floor in front of us) and by the end of the set we have folk all over us - that's just the way we work the set list I think. But at practice if I get bored and do a bit of Sunn O))) I usually get a few WTF looks and the offended have been know to leave the room.

Great tip guys. I probably lost a bit off the back too when I sanded off the varnish. I hope it was your wifes current CC Jean-Luc I've got 4 year old Fender stainless 55-105's on, they seem ok for now although the G string is a bit bright for my liking. I seem to be forcing the fretless "bwoaup" sound just now and when I go on th G it pops a bit. I guess I'll learn to be more subtle as time goes on. Right where's that Cornflakes box.........

[b]CLUCKING BELL! [/b] That's done the trick alright. I've just been jamming away with myself and all those Del Palmer riffs that intrigued me as a youth came sliding off my bass. I've never leaned them they just came natural like. I got particularly hooked on playing the outro to KB's Breathing (although I don't think that that's one of Del's) And now I know what the sub-harmoniser on my Ashdown is really for - not just doing Mc Hammers "You can't touch this" during longer than expected breaks between songs to the amusement of the great unwashed. I can't believe that I gave this gee-tar up for dead! :wub: