PaulWarning

I think mine must be in the mild overdriven category, I use a Zoom B1on and I've left it in tuner mode and not noticed for a few songs 😕

8 minutes ago, MichaelDean said:

Lots of gigging musicians (including drummers) playing the biggest stadiums and festival stages rely on in ear monitors. They can then also hear themselves over massive PA systems that are louder than a drum kit.

the OP has not said what size venues the band plays, presumable not very big otherwise they wouldn't need their own PA, if the drummer can't hear his own kit the on stage the sound must be way too loud, at big venues the band shouldn't hear much of the FOH sound.

The OP also asked the question would musician grade ear plugs be the answer, if it were me (and it's not) I would try those first before investing in extra kit

7 minutes ago, MichaelDean said:

Not if he wants a kick, snare and overhead mics.

 

I guess you could feed that from another mixer, but who wants to carry two mixers?

right see what you mean, I'm with @solo4652 on this, I can't see ear buds or phones  blocking out the sound of an acoustic kit, as others have said an electric kit might be a better bet, or custom ear plugs, seems a load of trouble to go to just so the drummer can get the bit of extra clarity he'd lose, say, using ACS custom ear plugs

4 minutes ago, MichaelDean said:

That doesn't get around not having enough inputs on the desk if the drummer wants to go with IEMs.

true, but like I said a few posts ago this does

https://www.andertons.co.uk/live-pa/live-headphones/behringer-ma400-headphone-amplifier

3 minutes ago, solo4652 said:

The nature pf The Problem seems to be changing. It started off with the drummer and the guitarist being concened about tinnutis, and sugegsting that IEM's would help protect their hearing. Latest message from drummer reads: "Our current desk only has 4 mic inputs and 1 monitor output so we’re out of ports before we even start. It’s all about the mix that individuals want to hear. I think our monitoring is a bit poor atm as [keys player] struggles to hear herself and also [lead vocalist]. And I struggle to hear both of them because of where I’m sat. Just trying to avoid more wedges and more volume as it rarely improves sound."  So now the discussion is about poor stage monitoring. Currently there is just one monitor - it sits out front on the floor at the singer's feet. Is there a way that the output from the desk could be split so that individuals could have their own mini/personal monitors, perhaps? Some sort of snake?? 

we had this problem, one monitor out, singer always complaining he couldn't hear himself, us complaining we couldn't hear our backing vocals, this solved the problem, without a new mixer
https://www.andertons.co.uk/live-pa/live-headphones/behringer-ma400-headphone-amplifier

as a pub band we've been using a Yamaha EMX 512sc for about 18 years now, not sure it's still available but things have moved on to powered speakers anyway, it's served us well, vocals, bass drum, but trying to figure out what is the power out put is not easy, 500watts according to Yamaha https://usa.yamaha.com/products/proaudio/mixers/emx_box_type/emx512sc_spec.html

some retailers add the 2 channels together and call it a 1000 watts and Yamaha don't say whether the 500 watts it's RMS or not.

Some manufacturers are very naughty with their power ratings, Alto plaster 2000 watts on their speakers but I suspect that's peak power, nowhere near RMS

I used some old lawn mower extension cable when I was making up up a long lead for our PA, no problems at all, and it's yellow, so easy to see

having an idle moment thought I'd check up DR prices, £40 seems the bench mark figure at the moment, mind you I've not changed mine for about a year and they still sound ok, roughly that's about 80 hours playing, I use my back up for practice and that's got  a set of Neons on it off main bass last time I changed them, and they still sound ok, 

25 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

 

 

A drummer blazing away with a healthy right foot is freakin' loud in any enclosed space you would call a bar with a band as opposed to an entertainment venue with a bar. By the time you add vocals over that, and some bass and guitars that are not determined to be the loudest thing by 10dB, you are not short of volume.

 

 

this is true, our drummer is loud, I know some on here will say a good drummer can control the dynamics, but in all other aspects he's good and good drummers don't grow on trees, so by the time we've got a good mix we are loud in an average size room, micing up the drums for pub gig would be ridiculous 

in an ideal world everything would got through the PA to a mixing desk, and in a bigger venue that's the case, but small pub gigs aren't the ideal world, you can be in a small space in a pub with punters already there having a drink, spending a long time loading in and out, setting up and sound checking can be a pain in the neck for everybody.

We've used a PA (no subs) just for vocals and kick drum for nearly 20 years and we keep getting gigs so it can't be that bad

bought an own brand electro acoustic guitar from them, first one you could drive a bus under the strings, sent it back, got a replacement and you could drive a bus under the strings, sent it back got a refund straight away

17 hours ago, MacDaddy said:

 

Currently doing The Lemonheads version of Mrs Robinson.

we do that as well, love playing the bassline

there's been load of these Headphone threads the same names keep cropping up, I've got some Audio Technica ATHWS1100's, best headphones for bass I've ever heard, they'd be no good for mixing though, all the bass would be gone when listening through anything else 😊, unfortunately they are as rare as hens teeth.

9 minutes ago, casapete said:

Same with my band - ages range from 70 to 25, and it's definitely good to have that mix of experience and

youth! Everyone respects each other, and it works really well. 

 

nice to know I'm not the only one, ages in our band are 20, 35, 61 and 71, though I'm the one who gets lumbered lugging the PA around 😕

Monkey Man, took me a while to get the fast run right, I do cheat a little bit and don't always get it totally right, but we do do it faster live (thanks Mr Drummer Man) but judging by other bass players I've seen playing it I'm not the only one

22 minutes ago, Quilly said:

I might be totally wrong but I think the old 200W trace heads were Class A/B and had stonking clumps of iron transformers driving the speaker so they might have more "heft" (there's that word  ) than the class D 200W elf. 

that's right, totally different animal, just wondering whether they've kept the Trace tradition of being very conservative with their power ratings

23 minutes ago, Quilly said:

I had an AH500-7 head once and it was an absolute beast of an amp, Even the 300W 1*15 combo I had was loud enough for all my needs. very heavy amps tho, the old trace stuff.

 

Going off on a tangent I know but, I've got a couple of Trace heads, rated 200 watts at 4 ohms, never run out of steam and our drummer is a bit of an animal, they only weigh 13 Kg, if the Elf is similar it'll be loud enough

30 minutes ago, stewblack said:

I last gigged mine with a very loud drummer and guitarist when the 600 watt head I'd planned to use developed a fault.

The Elf looked microscopic atop two 15" cabs but it was never remotely close to full volume. 

The scientists among us can no doubt explain why it can't be as loud as it is. I on the other hand use my ears and it's amazing.

because it's Trace Elliot watts, they're a lot louder than normal watts 😀

if you're not going to have to lug it around an old Trace Elliot combo would fit the bill and sound awesome as well

something like?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256321613206?hash=item3badf56d96:g:gPsAAOSwl4JlSR4A&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwGFhnWHhpJ1daDqWwYYSnosi92nNsZdnDSEaArVAsoIEHJLYjP7itsxIEPr1NXlDx1d63Q2q4q5RtWVB71ihy49pKYcH6Zj2fSE%2B%2Bt%2Famrzo7Bbrjklnb3ccnwbMeHJX7H8RWxcvS%2Byf3qVabNEbPErOzfVpLUWTMC2SSZkJXCw8BDAqEt3RcxnqZMtLKJkRzHjGl3FtwvpXjJnr6EA4jWAJgXNRrk8rDTHs34WK%2Bjg3r1yywlNKBTl7eVGR%2FsYHAQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-Ddn9iEYw

so many variables, as others have said, £20 for 3 days including camping is dirt cheap so I can't see them paying a lot, we played a small biker's rally last year, I think we got £300, but it did include the PA provided and was only about 40 miles away

1 hour ago, fretmeister said:

 

 

The band I'm currently in - yes. I don't run the band, I just play so I wasn't dealing with it. But a bit of the stage collapsed and somebody broke an ankle.

so was that your stage? if it was the venues surely it's their reasonability?

ok I'll rephrase, has anybody claimed on their Liability Insurance? (not saying you shouldn't have it, I know the reasons)

has anybody ever needed public liability insurance? shouldn't the venue have it?

as the late, great, Reg Presley (of the Troggs) once observed, nobody knows, some songs just have the mythical magic dust sprinkled on them, if anyone knew what the secret was every track they wrote would be great,  even the greatest songwriters have written some turkeys, 

8 minutes ago, max_overdrive said:

 

 

But what people really mean is the sound from a Fender split pickup, right? There's a thousand different types of P-basses, and the only common denominator is a P pickup. Couldn't you simply put a P pickup on any guitar to achieve that P bass sound?

provided the pick up is in the same position as regards distance between the bridge and the neck, yes in theory, having said that there are a lot of different sounding Fender P's out there, just ask J J Burnell