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The bass player from atmosphere also used a fender ,, so we got 2 guys out of about 10 ,, we need to go down this rabbit hole , so we can understand the down turn in Fender, remember this down turn, is from the look of fender & what it represented ,, to us it was an ultimate pro rock machine,

circa 1976 the 1st bass i used ,, not owned had flat wound strings as standard was used by owner for reggae ,, nb, its not a (pop band/ rock band) Fender i leaerned how to pop the strings on this ,,, but had yet to see thumb & pop

Brit Funk in its purest form is born on the dance floor Right ? & these Jazzy Funky Soul Guys had rules ,, so 1st , since Brit Funk was a brand new thing ,, its conception of a perfect bass saw in its birth vision a balanced coustom bass, like their clothes, sperate looking Twin Octaves ,, like stanley clarke ,, makes it easier to play the bass solo of eg ? Brazilian Love Affair Finally The Fender Bass was so strongly connected to Pop music & Rock Bands / Punk we would not even touch them ,, sometimes we would look just to see if fender made a twin octave bass yet to us a bass ending at Eb sucked

Nope ,, ;D tho we accept the rabbit hole ,, insomuch as Mark King worked in a top shop so "like you say" noticed no pick up on fender sales ,, "all" the alternatives were checked "seriously out instead the basic reason Guys,, ""Drum roll"" ,, was cosmetic ,,, its why i spent at lot of time chasing the marcus miller spate to its origin

yeah man i read that ,, & that is what we are doing ,, walking through. gear Q why Fenders were never the gear of choice for the early funk boppers with examples

with all that said & agreed / or not ,,,, those jazzy dizzy disco funky guys some actually Owned marcus miller as you call him on the floors IN 78 , backed by robbie vencent as lonnie liston smith would sometimes go to Demark Street , as bass players , the younger crew like myself were now looking for our own bass , fed up of bass hoping , & as i say ,, walked away from Fenders,, as tho they were not even in the shop , Fenders were never on the shopping list

my gear history is not pro & great , never played any kind of fender until 1991 not even a copy,, in those days you got a deal ,, "they" would indorse pro gear & know how its like in the 70s you did not need qualifications to work, , you did not need "all the pro gear" to get a deal , Fender Basses were never an instrumental we would rate >>

did you start learning piano other instrument ? were there other people you knew who played these obscure LPs & other musicians in the nearby area did you go on to get or to almost get a record deal

& What bass did you have ?

i am not ruling out obscure groups probably world wide who dropped into dance music , yet its besides the point ,, as the forum is trying focus on specific aspects ,, why not Fender & the bonus rabbit hole remembering mark king playing bass in macaris at this point ,, the marcus miller rabbit hole filling up the pages has become a major diversion BRB

on The "Bermondsey" side or Walworth side ? as you know its either SE1 or SE17

WELL you are listening to camp Zero Before the big bang we know the songs DJs who why where they were dropped even who personally Owned Them outright the bass players you had to see slap to know how to play it, the story is drifting away ,, again its level42 before level 42 , no reply to why "Fender was never the face of early brit funk even tho the heading chapter has been struck

the reason why i ask where you from ,, if you played an instrument bass UK ? in 78 worked on a ship went to miami knew all about marcus miller from obscere LPs, mixed with americans all in 78 & you are not from london ? ,,, & already semi pro ? ,, you would be a person who would of at least got a record deal, just like that ? they used to throw record deals at slap bass / groove players in 78 if you were not from london you also would have been more with it than frankie goes to holly wood, as nothing much was going on outside of london, as explained , so ,,

did you used to live in peckham ? where you from on average ?

the tunes you picked are probably back catalogued, even norman jay would agree there 1000s of 90s DJs who do it, back catalogue for someone to have brought this LP in 78 in the UK ? hmm? they wouldn't have brought it just for miller & bass , sorry ,the timeline is wrong only collectors brought these obscure LPs in the 70s they would often be involved with DJs & radio," invicta " they may know "a" bass player/ band in 78 ? there only about 10 street bass players at "funk level" UK wide & worrying learning & listening to marcus in "78" has not happened yet, sorry that's from the guy that actually "owned space princess" on the floors & plays bass the end

the reason why this Spate is taking place is because i clearly point out no one had marcus miller on their radar yet. during the funk bass out break that happened on the streets in the UK ,, miller didn't quite exist yet, popswell was the main man, he tones jazzy loose & wild there were no bass players following marcus miller,yet, they may know the bass lines, i did, i literally Owned "Space Princess" UK yet his CLASSIC bass lines stood together with other bass lines ,, at that time, robbie vincent owns lonnie liston smith outright in the battle of DJs,, even george michael gets influenced by LLsmith, then miller explodes when he leaves LLS & joins Steve Gadd Dave Grusin etc ,, & goes freelance, thus the chase for stack, top end, new york GPR jazz slap tone begins, the miller sound completely takes over, bar bernard edwrads the quest for Popswell fades, popswell actually drops out of contention soon after, with a sting in the tail tho & that is that ,,

nah , st lucians often laugh after they slap bajans take it too seriously jams don't go near slap they thinks skunk & the best are granadians ❤️

so, back to reasons why it was never fender ,, relpy only please remembering mark king playing bass in Macaris ,, rabbit hole bonus

hard to say , something like close to this

David Bendeth , 1st dropped UK by Chris Hill at Purley all dayer, we went back stage with Light of the World that day , Dan Hartman was also 1st dropped @Purley these top DJs own certain tunes

The Janek Gwizdala syndrome if you Read the books it tells you ron carter played say 1973 ? but in the UK no one even gets "into" that music untill 1977 yes, you have return to forever & the "mishogogevos orcester" & the jazz heads, who were dinosaurs by the 1970s but then Disco explodes & that is when the world starts taking note dancing 1st listening 2nd trying to play it, 3rd by 1980 everything is being back catalogued named ledgered understood bass guitar explodes like never before, Slap went Gamma Viral 42 years later & forget me nots sounds like it was made yesterday most bass players who play it weren't even born when it came out ,

i was perhaps the very 1st person (non DJ) to have this tune in the UK (omg) it was given to me as part of my winnings in a dance competition 1st place space princess was "the record the week" & it was played in the final dance off ok, & i am "still" telling you no one was talking about marcus miller in the UK roy ayres, yes lonnie liston smith, yes ronnie laws, yes others , yes marcus exploded in ? 1980, the end

right ,, guys ,, i know there are a few recent rabbit holes & peeps putting up "they brought a Fender Bass in 1976 ,,, like a barrister i will simply let that go sometimes these exceptions prove the point , so we know M.K worked in a shop , those who remember will know he would sometimes play the basses in the shop >>> a diferent rabbit hole(s) so what is it M,K has a complete advantage of ? 1st,, he is in a total "advanced Pro" musical enviroment 2nd,, (where we come into the frame) ,, he/they will know exactly what kind of instruments we liked / rated 3rd ,, the basslines tunes "we knew played on bass / rated So ,, eg guys like myself would walk right away from the Fender Basses in fact never played "any" fender bass/ copy until 1991 ,, not even to try so what were the reasons ,, & where are some examples ,, all coming up after the After read ,,,, replies to this 1st page

The reason why lenny henry never took me to brum ,, it because i would have missed it on the train & ended up in liverpool or manchester a bit a big overlander

Lemmy is telling you you go college & learn bass with to fingers :D The Hook