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Boss Solderless Pedalboard Cable Kit.

Used once, excellent condition.

Connectors and cable for 5 leads.

Price includes uk mainland postage.

40 minutes ago, Mastodon2 said:

 

 

 

I respect Patrice's decision to retire and not continue the brand. It would be a good retirement plan in some respects to let someone else carry on with it, but at the same time I'm sure he can just enjoy a stress-free existence once the company is shuttered.

100% agree, I’m glad I got mine while I could. Whilst sad that there will be no “new” ones it’s great that the brand won’t be diluted by cr4p. 

1 hour ago, Sparky Mark said:

It's a pity no one came onboard and learnt the skills to continue the marque. Maybe the demand just isn't there any longer?

I can’t see that demand has dropped off tbh. They seem to attract devotees, a few of which have popped up on here! 😁

A bit of an update following a conversation with Mark at Bass Direct last week.

The rumours are true, Vigier will wind up production at the end of 2023.

Patrice is 68 and wants to retire, however the distribution side of the business High Tech Distribution will continue with Patrice’s daughter heading up that side of the business.

Bass Direct have one more Passion 5 on order but that’s all folks! 
 

Thinking of Pedulla etc, it really brings home the fact that some of the major high end manufacturers are not getting any younger.

This…… I can still remember the lack of tone no matter what you pressed. And it weighed about as much as a nuclear reactor! 

18 minutes ago, alexa3020 said:

I agree. Plus if you ain’t lugging your stuff on stage, your invariably lugging someone else’s (I.e drummers)

 

Ain’t that the truth! 😂👍

I’ve never found Class D to be particularly unreliable.

My class A/B Eden was a complete stinky poo show that I ended up selling on after 3 repairs! Loved the sound though.

Class D don’t appear to be particularly easy to repair from some stories, but that’s not my own personal experience.

On 14/05/2022 at 14:16, JottoSW1 said:

"Diabolical"? Seems like a sweeping generalisation.

And all generalisations are false.

If you take the time to read the post I back up my “personal” claim. Everyone’s different and have different tastes. 
 

I have found some of the comments in the post quite educational though! 👍

Stonking Amp! I loved mine. 😊

Can someone clarify if that is Class AB heresy or Class D Heresy?

If it’s Class D heresy the fire will be cooler. 😂

As originator of the post I have to say it is quite presumptuous to label that all are listening with their eyes.

Sure there maybe AB tests that are non conclusive for specific applications. 
 

There are also people for and against on the forum. I would guess that most of these opinions are based upon personal experience, listening and specific applications.
 

They are also free of political agenda.

11 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

GenzBenz went to a great deal of trouble to placate the people in who swore up and down the new D amp was a poor imitation the ''real thing''. At the end of the day they couldn't tell any difference.

 

Their opinions cost a lot of effort to show they didn't hold water.

 

The engineers knew the new one had the goods and they could show the naysayers all the graphs of power output v frequency. That wasn't enough. They had to do a full on double blind trial to show there was no audible difference.

 

Statements of opinions thrown out as facts tend to get pushback.

And that may be true for Genz Benz.

However like everyone else on this forum (I suspect,  but don’t know because I am not them) I trust my ears. 
 

It’s not always the signal at fault, it’s the way it gets delivered. 😊✌️

34 minutes ago, crazycloud said:

I would put very good money on the fact that you cannot tell the difference between a flat, unprocessed AB or D amp without knowing what you're listening through.

 

I'm not commenting on what makes you happy, or even on what you might think makes you happy, but blanket statements like you've made here are far more likely to be about your predetermined ideas than reality in my experience, hence the confirmation bias comment.

I have been at pains to comment a number of times that it is my opinion and that everyone has different tastes and requirements. 
 

However, you have no factual foundation to base your observation that my comments on Class D are “based upon your predetermined ideas than reality in my experience”.

So your comments are based upon your predetermined bias of what you think I’m hearing… and that in the best light is presumptuous. 

1 hour ago, crazycloud said:

No confirmation bias here at all.

Who better to assess what

makes me happy? 

2 hours ago, EBS_freak said:

Meh. Be done with it.

 

IEM and go through the PA. You'll be able to hear everything super clearly, not rag your ears... and your band will sound better for it too.

I have considered it, but by the time you add vibrating boards, good headphones, transmitters etc, id rather just go DI rig, monitor and -15db plugs to cut out the cymbals.

It’s not just Class D, I had an Eden WT550 that plopped itself mid gig, nightmare! It then got worse as the uk tech couldn’t repair it had to send a new preamp board over from the US. Then a few months later the fan went and it overheated and cut out mid gig. I got it repaired and solid it, but I was an inch away from a Basil Fawlty Moment in the Car Park.

I loved the Eden sound, but the build quality of my particular unit was Friday pm at Longbridge in the 1970’s.

4 minutes ago, Chienmortbb said:

There are always exceptions to every rule. 

Personally, I’ve found Ashdown very helpful.
TC Electronic, Line 6 we’re appealing (went in the bin) and Eden (about 9years ago) cost me a fair bit in petrol, phone calls and parts. 

6 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

Everyone wants different things from their bass amp. For me the amp is simply a way of getting from instrument or line level to speaker level, and the less it affects the sound the better. I've gone the modeller/FRFR (class D) route, and for all but the smallest venues I don't even bother with the FRFR cab as I know the foldback will be more than up to the job.

 

To the OP. I assume that you rig is 100% responsible for what the audience hears.

Absolutely the case 95% of the time.

I’m not opposed to letting the PA do the heavy lifting but I prefer mic/di. Agree that in that instance the FRFR class D argument is a bit redundant. 

4 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

 

It's worse than that. They've been bought by Music Tribe (Behringer).

🤦‍♂️

44 minutes ago, Sparky Mark said:

I remember a bit of controversy around the TC RH series when a lab test indicated their advertised RMS outputs appeared to be overstated. Apparently this was down to TC using clever limiting/compression type magic to make the numbers.

Apparently TC Electronics test department has been bought by VAG Group…… 😁

6 minutes ago, BassmanPaul said:

 

Just as a point Class D amps use MOSFETs too.

Yes but in a different way! 😉

1 hour ago, BassmanPaul said:

A. lot of Class D amps use a drop in module so the differences could be the pre-amp circuitry mated to them. 

Absolutely. The power amps are Full Frequency Flat Response (FRFR) which means all the tone colouration comes from the preamp. Depending on whether this has been lifted from

a pedal or worked as bespoke for the amp may make all the difference……

7 hours ago, Ed_S said:

I reckon it's the overall design of an amp that matters - if the designer has a vision for the end result, understands the components they're working with for all they are (and aren't) and knows how to use them intelligently and to best advantage, then the fact that one of those components happens to be a commodity class d power module is neither here nor there. I just wonder how many amps exist for no greater reason than to present something with the company logo on it for sale in a particular area of the market, and how much they might unfairly sway opinion on the underlying technology if they fail to inspire.

 

 

At home I actively prefer Diet Coke, but down the pub I find all Coke tastes roughly the same. 🙂 

Clever. 👍

But it was down the pub that I finally fell out of love with digital switching Coke. 😊

2 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

I have the Bugera Veyron, which is probably the cheapest 'powerful' class D on the market. 

 

Press the low boost, and high boost buttons, dial in a little bit of the built in compressor, get the mids where you want them, leave everything else around 12 o'clock, and the thing sounds absolutely sublime! 

Dammit is this the BV1001T?  I may have to try one.

25 minutes ago, funkydoug said:

If the cabs are right any amp class can work very well. 
Look at any PA rig for proof.

Many class D bass rigs include compact cabs too, which soak up the big power rating of the head.

 

 

I think it’s perfect for front of house where you want to have a completely uncoloured representation of the band (FRFR). However for an instrument amp, the preamp and power amp have historically added colour and character to the tone. FRFR lacks that colouration hence why Darkglass, Aguilar etc put pedal type preamps in front of them. 
 

I did have a Aguilar TH500 which wasn’t bad, but ultimately not for me. It’s all down to personal taste. 😊