DaytonaRik

Does anyone else despair at the current state of musicianship - or rather the very obvious lack of it - amongst popular musicians and breakthrough artists?  Taking someone else's samples/loops etc and putting your own vocals over them does not a musician make

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59733291

In...

1. Alesis Crimson II drumkit
2. Alesis Crimson II 8" tom pad, 12" crash cymbal pad and 12" ride cymbal pad
3. Additional Alesis rack clamps, cymbal stands etc.
4. Gibralter rack clamp
5. Pearl UX80 clamp
6. Jobeky 13" piccolo e-snare
7. Diamond Drums 14" low volume hi-hat cymbals
8. GoeDrum hi-hat controller
9. Millennium remote hi-hat stand
10. Gear4Music remote hi-hat stand
11. (There's definitely a drum theme going on here!!!)
12. Behringer P2
13. Behringer DI Box
14. More VST plugins than I really ought to have bought including

• Lindell Audio 80 Neve 1073/1084/ 2254 and 1272 channel strip
• Brainworx Townhouse Buss Compressor
• Audio Metric AB
• Brainworx SSL 4000 G channel strip
• Brainworx SSL 9000 J channel strip

• Black Box Analog Design HG-2

• Brainworx Masterdesk

• Purple Audio MC77 1176 emulator

• Waves CLA Nx

• Waves CLA-2A

• Waves CLA-76

• Waves J37 Tape

• Waves SSL G-Master Buss Compressor

• Waves Retro-Fi

Out...

Yeah, about that!

17 hours ago, AScheck9 said:

Not cheap mind, each band member is having to put in £600 for a second hand system. 

Hahaha!  Tell me about it!  I stumped up for an HK rig along with an X32 Rack and 4 Proel wedge monitors - I couldn't be doing with the potential arguments if someone left!

14 hours ago, Woodinblack said:

Oh we do saturday night as well, although we tend to do it faster (not intentionally, it always ends up stupid fast!).

Love the bassline on that when it is more at this speed.

Check out the Nickelback version - this has been a staple in our set for ages 

Fantastic band who should have achieved much more than they did sadly.

I think this is my favourite adjustable pickup bass - the Brooks Grabberbird

https://www.enkoo.nl/brooks-grabbird.html

On 27/11/2021 at 14:59, Dood said:

I’ve had a message through after getting this to say that I can upgrade to the full version for  $29.99 .. we’ll, be rude not to! 
The free version is very good so I’m looking forward to installing the full product!

After grabbing the free one...it turns out I already had the full version bought in a sale with a loyalty voucher added in for extra cheapness! 🤣

I've actually avoided the Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales - looking through my plug-in list there's nothing that I really want/need...am I all plugged out?

8 minutes ago, chris_b said:

 

So did mine. As a kid I hated going to their loo in the winter. You could end up iced to the seat if you took too long!!

My grandparents still had an outside loo up until the mid 70's!!!!

1 hour ago, WinterMute said:

I've run full bands through the FBT Vertus, using the 18" sub not the 2x8, and with the higher powered columns, and they don't miss a beat, they'll handle small venue duties very easily, you can always double up for larger venues, they system is fully modular and self powered, add another sub and column per side and you're looking as some serious output in very well controlled line arrays.

As I'm already running active 18" HK subs plus tops then I'm not really saving anything re bulk/weight - plus I can just run the L5 15" active tops on their own for smaller venues.  I'm intrigued, but not convinced that it would be a cost effective or game-changing swap.

Does anyone have any experience in using any of these systems in a full rock band setting?  This would be a full band backline plus at least a partially mic'd drum kit (kick, snare, overheads)

We run our backline very quiet (for a rock band) and rely on the PA for the FoH heft - the 2 x 10 subs seem a little wanting.  We currently have an HK Pro/Linear 5 setup that's fantastic, but does take a little moving!  The recent purchase of a loading ramp for the van definitely makes a huge difference!

*Double Post*

By no means a fan boy, I have stuck with Ashdown as they just give me the sound that I'm looking for.  I started with an ABM 500 2x10 combo which I replaced with an ABM 2x10 cab/head setup and added a 1x15 NEO cab.  As for basses - being a guitar player for 30 odd years means I struggle with larger, fatter necks and currently use Thunderbirds because of the narrow nut width and small, compact feel in my hands.

I have no brand loyalty to either and would happily use other amps/cabs/basses if they suited my needs.

36 minutes ago, Supernaut said:

Nobody use a tuner between their bass and amp? 

Aye - a Korg DTR-1 which is pretty transparent after the wireless RX and before the Ashdown ABM head but I like many probably excluded mentioning my tuner as I suspect it has little or no sonic impact. 

22 minutes ago, Bassman68 said:

Amp?

You’re lucky….

My main gig is without backline, IEM only, I use my multi-effects board but that’s providing the feed to the D.I.

I’m not using much in the way of effects but I do have a small amount of Compression & a Pre-amp sim.

I couldn’t do without the tuner function & volume pedal.

As an IEM user I'm giving serious consideration to something similar, but with something like the Tech 21 Bass Fly Rig or maybe the SH1 pedal as I have little requirement for effects.

Thunderbird - wireless - Ashdown ABM500...lovely.  The material I play (rock) just needs a great bass sound which I have...never felt the need for processing/FX of any kind.  The wireless probably gives a touch of compression but I add that on the desk anyway

Completely different gig for me as I rented out and engineered my HK Linear 5/X32 rig to a 5 piece indie rock band playing a private 40th birthday party.

Band loved the on-stage sound, punters loved the FoH sound - win/win!

3 hours ago, Mcgiver69 said:

In all honesty, download the demo and you'll realise that Omni Channel is the Channel Strip to rule them all. It's just amazing and so flexible.

I find that the Slate VMR does pretty mutch everything I need/want, even with all of the channel strips that I have I invariably come back to it...it's just so bloody customisable!  Any preamp/EQ/dynamics combination from the Slate arsenal that you can imagine is yours including some pretty out there multiple EQ combos.  Here are some presets from the Slate library...

13 hours ago, GisserD said:

https://www.waves.com/bundles/platinum

 

only $99

I considered it but as a Slate Everything bundle subscriber with their plugins liberally sprinkled through every I do the thoughts of moving and swapping/replacing plugins everywhere made me shudder!

15 minutes ago, Dood said:

Omni Channel is SOOOOO good. It's one of my Go To plug-ins!

I'm tempted, but as I already have the Brainworx  SSL 4000 E, G and 9000 J, Focusrite SC, Neve VSX strips plus  Lindell 80 (1073/84) and PEX 500 (Pultec) strips PLUS the Slate Everything bundle...!!!! Arghhhhhhh!

Optionitis really is a thing!!!!!

BX Masterdeak Classic for free - 

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/bx_masterdesk_classic.html

use code BX-FOR-FREE at checkout 

8 minutes ago, Jakester said:

 

Well, I think the small pub gigs I'm talking about are just that - v small pubs, so there's no need for anything other than a vocal monitor (and that's mainly only for the singist). 

There are times when I wish gigs could be that simple but when you have IEMs involved then you really have no option but to mic/DI backline, which is the biggest PITA of the whole process!  From there you may was well keep the backline down and go for your monitoring option of choice

11 minutes ago, Jakester said:

What do you mean by "a genuine reason"?

I can't think of an occasion where band members don't want guitars in the monitor mix (at least their own) except when the backline is used as a monitor, and then the whole on stage and FoH mix gets out of control quickly with the almost invariable 'volume wars' of volume nudging! 

I completely get the 'jack of all trades' thing - I play bass, sing backing vocals and run lights with my feet as well as running FoH sound and adjusting monitor levels for various band members etc. with both an XR18 and X32 when we have a bigger space.

An iPad attached to a mic stand makes sure that I always have the 'desk' to hand, but even then, changes are kept to between songs rather than mid-song.

On 06/11/2021 at 13:52, Jakester said:

We have a XR18 for bigger gigs where everything is mic'd and monitored, but it's a faff for small pub gigs. 

In what way is this a 'faff'? 

On 06/11/2021 at 13:52, Jakester said:

We don't need guitars in the monitors (for obvious reasons!)

Is there a genuine reason why other than the backline being used as a monitor?  Our guitarists use smaller lunchbox amps in the 10-15w output range and keep the backline levels down, relying on the monitoring without swamping the FoH mix.

Waves are running the Black Friday Early Deal including the Scheps Omni-Channel for $29.99 - https://www.waves.com/plugins/scheps-omni-channel#presenting-scheps-omni-channel