DaytonaRik

1 hour ago, BigJHW said:

Wowzer them's some pricy IEM's. i looked at custom fit IEM's but as we're just a local pub gigging back and don't actually gig that much - justifying customs just isn't a thing right now.
but... that X32 has peaked my intrigue for sure.
I'm trying to convince the band lead to grab a couple of RCF 735a's (or the 745's but they cost more) as a replacement for the old yamaha cabs we're using atm - and they'd work well with that X32 for sure... and we'd have plenty of available slots to play with too.. hmmm i'll suggest it

Ooo and i looked at the Valeton Dapper too a while back now - but as i don't really use "effects" it wasn't for me.. but i am still considering a SansAmp nyc Deluxe (i think that's what it's called) - so i can preset some tones for various tracks - rather than fiddling about with the bass onboard EQ 

With IEMs I figure that you get that you pay for - as a vocalist as well as a bass player I wanted something that fitted perfectly as attenuation was an important choice given that the IEMs should prevent external audio leaking into your IEM mix.  We're also just a pub band/weekend warriors also but using IEMs has prevented further hearing damage given the close proximity to cymbals, guitarist insisting on playing with 4x12 cabs at stupid levels etc. 5 years down the line they're still as good as new although they may need a reshell in the near future as your ears don't stop growing so the fit changes.

The X32 is a great desk in whatever format but the rack is a 3U piece of genius.  We use it with an 8 port stage box downstage for wedges, vocal mics and FoH send plus bass input/output, and a 16 port stagebox upstage for backline, drums and wireless vocal mics.  The stage boxes connect over a single RJ45 cable so much shorter more manageable cable runs

Like you, I'm not an FX user per se but to my ears the preamp section of the Valeton just hit the spot - the additional chorus is a nice touch on some tracks (G'n'R, Slash, Velvet Revolver) and the envelop filter get's an outing on Play That Funky Music

I ditched the Ashdown head and cabs this year in favour of a Valeton Dapper Bass pedal which I tried back-to-back with the SansAmp Bass Flyrig v2 and tbh I just preferred the Valeton - it is just  more 'me' which straight is ahead rock, a touch of chorus now and again.

IEMs are a set of 64 Audio A3 Customs which are quite frankly amazing running over an older but serviceable DBTechnologies IEM2000T stereo system.

As a band we use a Behringer X32 rack which has plenty of sends and have a mixture of wired IEMS (drums), wireless IEMS (myself) and stage monitors (2 x guitarists and lead vocals) but one of the guitarists is very interested in going down the IEM route, and is even contemplating going 'silent' as well. 

1 hour ago, Dood said:

 

Lovely, thank you! I've most of the plugins in the bundle that I've had for free too, but the HG-2 and ShadowHills Comp I've never tried. 

Just the Shadhowhills and Oberhausen for me but others may benefit from a few new toys!

Great bundle from Plugin Alliance for free - 

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/blog/blogpost/items/introducing-soundwide.html

Details on the page, plug ins include , Ampeg SVT, Brainworx Master Desk, Shadowhills Compressor and a bunch more FOC!

Never had an issue with the weight of any bass...although maybe playing a bloody great hefty Les Paul for years taught me what having a heavy instrument was REALLY like!

On 21/03/2022 at 07:37, BigJHW said:

haha i considered that - but lets face it UK pubs and clubs "stage" area's are so small a 1m cable is still probably too long in most cases lol

I use wireless not because of the distance but mostly to keep myself away from some of the horrible electrics in venues!

2 minutes ago, skidder652003 said:

yes i have all that as well as I carry the PA, but for personal use very little as I don't (like you i imagine) have the luxury of time to play with all the toys.

It's a struggle getting it all in and set up!  At least I have crib sheets so that each band member can take care of their own mics, know what they need to plug in where etc.  Time between arriving and sound check slips through the hands like sand!!!!  Digital stage boxes - one upstage, one downstage - makes cable runs much easier though

I have no idea where to start...I own the band Pa/lighting so all that comes with me!!! 

1. Subs (if needed)
2. Tops
3. Stand bags
4. Mic stand bag
5. Audio cable trunk - everything fro, 1ft lot 60ft XLRs, various length 1/4" instrument cables, speaking cables
6. Power cable trunk - extension cables, 6 way sockets, 13 amp power cables
7. Stage boxes
8. Mixer rack - self contained with a rack-router, IEM TX, wireless mic RX, X32 Rack and RJ45 network cables for stage boxes
9. Spare Mixer (XR18)
10. Wedges/drummers IEM pack
11. Mic case
12. LED par cans
13. LED Mini Spot case
14. iPads
15. 2 x basses
16. Guitar rack
17.  DI Pedal
18. Spare Ashdown mini head
19. Wireless rack

Think that's about it!  Yes, I have a van!

I went for the DiMarzio clip locks ages ago and they are now on all my gigging basses.  It's bolted to your guitar - it's not going anywhere!!!! 

https://www.dimarzio.com/straps/cliplock

Oddly enough, I really like the fact with some of our tracks we remain as true as we can to the version that we're playing...we just choose different arrangements sometimes e.g. Gothard's version of Hush, Muse's take on Feeling Good, Taking Dawn's take on The Chain - but they offer their own challenge to get right.  I'm not one for copying an exact bass tone as they're all rock tracks with pretty much a similar bass through each with the odd exception that can be managed by tone/volume adjustments.

My old original's band rehearsed relentlessly to make sure that we *DID* play everything exactly the same way as we recorded it each time.

I started my stringed journey as a guitarist and still have 4 kicking around - an SG, a Patrick Eggle Berlin Pro Elite, a BC Rich Assassin super-strat and a Godin Telecoustic.

Lockdown saw me start drumming and I've not stopped - the original Alesis Crimson II kit has been augmented with a Jobeky 13" hybrid piccolo snare trigger, a 3rd 8" pad, the original 12" snare pad moved to the rack as a 5th floor tom, the electronic hi-hats have been replaced by some LV hats from Diamond Drums along with a GoEdrum controller and operated by a Gear4Music remote cable hi-hat pedal, and an additional dual zone ride is configured as a china. Also added a Roc'n'Soc throne and it's the most comfortable thing I've sat on!

The latest addition has been an eDrumin10 interface which will replace the Crimson II module and link everything to Slate Drums 5 running under Gig Performer on a Mac Mini.

I'll stick with this setup for the rest of '22 and look to moving to more LV cymbals and maybe a Jobeky kit in '23

A few shots of the development of the kit from it's original standard format, along with some pics of the 'trick' bits

I've always said that the once the bad starts, in the punters mind they're listening to the memories of the track, and not what is actually being presented to the brain via the ears!

Whilst to the punter the 'close enough' works, for professional pride I do like pulling apart tracks and getting the nuances of various bass parts just right!  I'm currently revisiting Velvet Revolver's Fall To Pieces and trying to work out just what Duff is playing at certain points is a fun challenge.

Not with regards to live playing, but when it comes to recording then I've found that a combination of clean DI, amp (real or simulated) and a gnarly Tech21 style driven tone really works for rock stuff - isolated it's horrible but in a mix it's lovely!

1 hour ago, ezbass said:

Nice, better than the cheap old clips you get on things like this. 

Not expensive either - https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08T9VVMQY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On 11/01/2022 at 16:05, BigRedX said:

Also there appears to be no cable holder on the 9V in socket. That's unfortunate accident waiting to happen on stage.

As promised, some shots of the silicon cable guides in place.  I'll get a 9v supply with a 90 degree connector too at some point

3 hours ago, BigRedX said:

 

That makes a lot more sense. Thanks for posting that photo.

 

I have to say I'm not keen on having any non-latching connectors in a gig situation. Maybe it's just the kinds of bands I play in and gigs that I do.

Our gigs are just run of the mill pub affairs - sometimes you get a rogue foot but I usually have a mic stand between myself and the punters, and the Dapper will live at the base of the mic stand.  Once I fit the silicon cable tidies I'll post up another photo

1 hour ago, BigRedX said:

Any reason why the XLR socket is on a wonk? It looks like a mistake.

 

Also there appears to be no cable holder on the 9V in socket. That's unfortunate accident waiting to happen on stage.

The XLR is parallel to the bottom of the unit with a sloping top.  Agree that the PSU cable really needs a holder/restraint but I have some some adhesive silicon cable clips that will keep everything out of harms way.

Week 2 - I'm out!  Valeton Dapper Bass pedal was the culprit!

After trying the Tech21 Fly Bass Rig against the Valeton Dapper Bass I decided to go for the latter.

The pedal will be used as a replacement for my Ashdown ABM500 gear, running from the DI output into the PA (18s and 15+horns) so the amp and compressor will be pretty much a set and forget kinda thing.  The chorus will come in useful for the odd track, as will the octaver, but I'm surprised by the sounds available from the Dirty Q effect...I'm sure I could shoehorn this in somewhere.

Overall a very useable bit of kit for not much money at all, and more that gave the Tech21 unit (at nearly three times the price) a run for it's money.

There are, of course, alternatives 😉

Whilst these are fake Vox guitar cabs I'm sure he would happily make a couple of Ampeg 8 x 10 cabs with matching heads whilst you run a Tech21, Helix, mic'd small cab/combo or similar into the PA! 

On serious note - I have an Ashdown ABM head that I use with an Ashdown 1 x 15 Neo, an Ashdown  2 x 10 Neo or both as the gig dictates but TBH I'd rather take either a Tech21 Fly Bass rig or the SH1 for gigs...something to look at for 2022

13 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

Unfortunately it appears that DaytonaRik has turned into his dad.

 

He'll be telling us pesky kids to get off his lawn next...

Far from it…but I’d rather Coldplay get an award for being to…shock…actually play an instrument than this!!!  I’m firmly with Dave…get an instrument and learn to play it…guitar,synths, piano, drums, trumpet, whatever…but not this….anything but this!!!

 "Musicians should go to a yard sale and buy and old ******** drum set and get in their garage and just suck. And get their friends to come in and they'll suck, too. And then they'll ******** start playing and they'll have the best time they've ever had in their lives and then all of a sudden they'll become Nirvana. Because that's exactly what happened with Nirvana. Just a bunch of guys that had some ****** old instruments and they got together and started playing some noisy-donkey ****, and they became the biggest band in the world. That can happen again! You don't need a ******* computer or the internet or The Voice or American Idol."

Dave Grohl 

3 minutes ago, RhysP said:

Nobody creates music from "absolutely nothing".

Ok, I’ll give you inspiration but there’s a whole difference between being inspired by something, and just using it as a loop behind a vocal

2 minutes ago, Cato said:

 

It's been the foundation of hip hop for more the 40 years

 

 

Can’t say I’m a fan of that genre either.

14 minutes ago, Supernaut said:

Please tell - what is required in your eyes to be a 'musician'? 

The ability to actually play an instrument would be a good start!  I know that  opens the whole 'is your instrument your voice' debate, but  I just get fed up of the lack of distinct ability for people to pick an instrument up and create music from absolutely nothing.  Threw 'em all in a studio with a bunch of instruments and see what they come out with!  Quite possibly something incredible, but more than likely a whole lot of nothing!