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    Do you have a birth year bass?

    in Bass Guitars

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    24 minutes ago, Agent 00Soul said:

    Not sure if you've ever tried one of the Precision Elites from that year.  My friend had one at the time and I thought it was the coolest.  Of course, I was 15 at the time and didn't have much experience so no idea what I'd think of it now. 

    I haven't, but I would like to - especially the double P version. I've tried a nice Special and also a Lyte, which I was partial to; I rather like Fender's attempts to mess with the recipe in the 80s - would be nice to see a bit more of that these days! 

    Do you have a birth year bass?

    in Bass Guitars

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    I'm ambivalent about it, but understand the appeal. I'm 1983 and I think the Precision Specials were cool. If I had a need of something in that ballpark and found a good one for a good price, the year matching would be a bonus.

    Sandberg appreciation society

    in Bass Guitars

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    48 minutes ago, martthebass said:

    Back in the Sandberg fold after picking up this nice soft core aged Lionel from a fellow basschatter yesterday. Just fitted my strap locks of choice and I’ll pick up some appropriate string’s tomorrow (it’s currently wearing some longscale flats…) and then it’ll be good for next weekends gigs.

    Didnt know what to expect on the relicing, it’s very different to my JMJ, doesn’t look artificial at all, similar to how my old 1990 Stingray looked after 15 years of heavy use.IMG_1444.thumb.jpeg.0326f7fa672a2473aa782656a3f70acf.jpeg

    Cracker!

    Enjoy

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    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

    in Amps and Cabs

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    You're right, GK aren't Mesa. I mentioned them as an American-made Class D competitor. I'd consider them a premium choice but acknowledge that that's very much a matter of opinion. 

    If we're comparing with Aguilar and Bergantino in the UK, one can currently get an Aggy TH500 for £800 or a Berg neo 410 for £1500. I just don't see the comparisons you're making. 

    This is all inconsequential of course - any products are worth the price that people are prepared to pay for them, which has always been and continues to be absolutely fine. I'm just not sure who those people are intended to be in this case and I'm dubious that they're the same people that were targeted in the past. I've absolutely no issue with companies going 'exclusive', as mentioned in earlier posts by others, but I do prefer those companies to call a spade a spade.

     

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

    in Amps and Cabs

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    7 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

    I'm with you in that there's no way I am forking out for new Mesa gear. But I wouldn't go around calling it overpriced stuff I wouldn't buy and by the way I like some other brand better so Mesa can do one I wouldn't buy it anyway. That's not cricket, and completely unnecessary.

     

    I think you misunderstand me. I'm trying to understand why the gear is now considerably more than similar competitors. I don't have a particular brand allegiance - have owned a big variety. As such, I didn't say I wouldn't buy Mesa because I like another brand more (I actually use a Mesa preamp currently), I said I wouldn't buy new Mesa products because of these prices.

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

    in Amps and Cabs

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    27 minutes ago, agedhorse said:

    I don’t know much about the whole lifestyle thing, and I would not be a lifestyle product customer myself.

     

    On the bass side of things, the Subway amps are pretty much in line with the costs of other non-Chinese built, premium products. 

    Am I missing something here? Anderton's has the Subway D-350 at £900 and the GK Legacy 800 at £850? The Subway D-800+ is £1250 from the same retailer. 

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

    in Amps and Cabs

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    1 hour ago, Steve Browning said:

    I remember a wise man saying "Jeez, it's about preference". Remember saying that Tobie?

    It certainly is! IIRC that was in reference to songs people dislike? Equally true for gear of course.

    However, the suggestion here is that Mesa may no longer represent what it once did; a competitive choice for gigging musicians. 22 hundred quid for a 4x10? IMO that is pie in the sky. What I find irksome is the apparent disingenuousness of putting this purely down to market forces, with no acknowledgement of the effect of marketing strategies. Everyone can prefer what they choose but I won't be convinced that these offer value for money for the vast majority of players. It's a shame for me - I like the gear 👍🏻

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

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    5 hours ago, agedhorse said:

    Then it’s pretty clear that Mesa amps aren’t for you. Nothing wrong with that, but you speak for yourself and fortunately not for others who may disagree with your perspective.

    Thanks for the reassurance that I am indeed expressing an opinion 🙄

    Whom are the products 'for' exactly? Folk gullible and rich enough to fork out over 2K for a cab that isn't gold-plated? 

    Mesa Boogie - UK Availability

    in Amps and Cabs

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    Interesting thread...

    Forums like BC are such a great source of many things, from bon homie to amusing belligerence, and I'm sure we're all partial to the full gamut from time to time. 

    This particular one irks me -

    These amps and cabs? Not on your nelly! I like Mesa stuff but these are priced out of the market for the majority of players. I earn good money from music and there isn't a world where I'd shell out for these products over, say, GK's offerings.

    I couldn't give two hoots where things are made per se, as long as the product, buyer experience and aftercare are fit for purpose. On the contrary, if I feel like I'm being taken the piss out of it leaves a sour taste, regardless of some superiority delusion masquerading as 'provenance'.

    Of course this is all my opinion, but it's not lost on me that I am in the relatively unusual position of having the funds and work to justify considering equipment that is towards the pricier end of retail. These are beyond that and yet are not a luxury; luxury is commissioning a build with a craftsman (like Jon Shuker for example, whose skill, time and flexibility add a unique and personal value), not preordering on Anderton's. 

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