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[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358348517' post='1937468'] The 210 will be as safe as the 115 but punchier, so you could end up using less volume and hearing it all more clearly. Your amp will be putting 250 ish watts into each cab at full volume. I've never played a 500 watt amp at full volume even for the Led Zep band I used to play with. I doubt you'll be anywhere near full whack. The 210 is rated just about the same as your Laney. You were probably closer to running out of steam with the Laney than you will be with either cab in this rig. What is the highest volume you used with the Laney? That same volume through 2 good cabs will sound much better and be much, [i]much [/i]louder. [/quote] Nice post, you speak sense there. I used to push my Laney hard - i was sending 280w to it and it can only take 240w, and sometimes the volume knob was past 3/4!!! So i guess i could have risked blowing the speaker at a gig. I think i should just go ahead with this now, as my sound can only improve both in tone, loudness and clarity - so it's a no brainer. If i find i need more power eventually i can just move things on in here. So when people say it's better to pair matching speakers together do they mean the number of speakers in each cab or just the speaker size? For e.g. is matching a 2x10 and a 2x10 better than matching a 4x10 and a 2x10? Or doesn't that really matter, is the problem more twhen you pair 10's and 15's together?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1358347645' post='1937441'] Ah... which MB do you have? Yes, VLE progressively rolls off top end for a vintage cab sound, and you need that top for slapping. You're unlikely to be putting a full 275W through the 2X10, but even so I would strongly advise two matching cabs - if possible. [/quote] This is the MB i have, which i bought off here a while ago. It says on the front 450w - but on the back it says it's 550w @ 4ohms! http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=DLB&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=ui_vxbhGN4DbLM:&imgrefurl=http://basschat.co.uk/topic/196692-cabamp-advice-needed/unread/&docid=he5qulm4yol9ZM&imgurl=http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/thumbs3/markbass-little-mark-f1-limited-edition-315346.jpg&w=700&h=525&ei=IMP2UMfaJbGW0QWfq4GACw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=116&vpy=12&dur=419&hovh=150&hovw=197&tx=110&ty=35&sig=107028311857943950001&page=1&tbnh=149&tbnw=195&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:104

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1358346911' post='1937410'] Quite possibly.. Some cabs speak well at certain frequencies and die at others. This is not a balanced cab IMO. Berg, for example, are typically well balanced and so should modern cabs be in general as slap and higher end for bass is not a NEW thing now. I'd favour 'faster' 10"s than 15" typically, for this reason...and then you get into the realsm of horns...just a bleed can be enough. Mine really bites and I don't have to play harder to get it to come through... so that might also be how the bass is set up. I have had crap slap sounds in terms of volume, but that was also probably through a crap rig....rig being too kind a word. [/quote] Cool i'm excited now. My main concern now is will the 300w 2x10 cab still sound good with 275w going to it, or do i need more headroom to avoid damage and farting?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1358346946' post='1937413'] Could be, if it has no tweeter or HF horn. Otherwise you could try low VLE and high VPF with EQ flat and see how that goes. [/quote] Will do, i have a VLE dial but don't think i've seen the VPF on my model. VLE is a warmer vintage effect ain't it? The Laney doesn't have a tweeter or horn, it's extremely basic. So my burning question is will the 300w 2x10 be able to cope and still sound nice with 275w going to it? Or do i need more headroom to be safe?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1358345771' post='1937379'] I would get a second 410 over a 115 (if little or no PA support). I can confirm that eight 10" drivers, with the right amp, will give you immense full-range tone, and lots of it. [size=4]A 115 does not give you extra 'depth', particularly if it can only handle half the power of your 410. [/size] [/quote] I am deffo going down the 4x10 and 2x10 stack route now. I often find with my current setup that when i do a bit of slap it doesn't cut through at all. Just everything goes mega thin. Is this down to my 4x10 Laney cab?

Another thing, i can never hear any slap i do in the mix, it always thins out and goes very quiet. Does the blame lie with my 4x10 Laney cab?

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1358341567' post='1937247'] Offering a different train of thought....For big gigs, you don't actually need big gear as chances are you'll have a lot of PA support.You could easily do them with your head and a small cab like a 2x10 or even a 1x12 (which is my current favourite).To be honest, I've played large gigs (a few thousand people) with a 100 watt combo. [/quote] I take your point mate. Just it's very rare we get PA support at our gigs. Just want to ensure i have the power to handle those situations. I think after doing further research i am gonna go down the 4x10 + 2x10 stack - as i have been told they'll pair better. My only concern is the 2x10 is 300w and my amp will be sending 275w to it - so wouldn't want it to start farting. Also if i ever get a more powerful amp then it doesn't leave me much scope powerwise with the 2x10 - meaning i may in the future have to overhaul everything again. Basically just want to know the 2x10 will be fine with 275w going to it.

Cheers guys, well i must admit i always thought the 115 was needed in a stack for that extra depth. But i do love clarity and want to cut through the mix - so i am defintely open to the 410 and 210 stack. Just presumed the 2x10 wouldn't add any depth, just thought it would enhance the sound of a 4x10 you see. My main concern is the 300w power of the second cab - whether it will be enough to keep it's sound quality at larger/outdoor gigs - or whether i adjust my search and increase budget and go for a 400w. The GB range i am looking at does have a 210 in the range at the same price as the 115 - tough decions to make - driving me nuts.

Ok, some of you may know i am upgrading my cabs as i feel i need more presence etc. My Markbass head is rated 550w @ 4 ohms and 280w @ 8ohms. Currently i use a 240 Laney 4x10, so celarly i need an upgrade concering power and tone. Ok, i am very close to purchasing Genz Benz FCS 410-T and a Genz Benz FCS 115-T. The GB 410 is 600w @ 8ohms and the GB 115 is 300w @ 8ohms. As 275w will be going to both speakers i just wanted to ensure the GB115 will be able to handle it, as i am aware 275 going to a 300w speaker is close to the limit and at big gigs is it likely to fart or sound crap? Will i be better opting for a 400w 115? I play some outdoor gigs and large venue halls/marquees so i am keen to get a bigger sound - so will the set-up i am opting for be fine giving me lots of needed headroom? All the best Ben

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1358262677' post='1935850'] You also need to do some research! There are loads of threads on here about the perceived costs and benefits of mixing speaker sizes, mixing manufacturers, the "tone" produced by different amps, cabs and basses (BTW, I've never found my Geddy Lee to be shy in the low end!), and pretty much all the answers to your various questions can be found in those threads. If you want two 8 ohm cabs then that is your prerogative, but as others have tried to tell you, there are other approaches! Many of us have gone through the stage that you are at now, and you could easily benefit from our experiences if you do a bit of digging to find the relevant threads. Out of interest, would one four ohm 6x10 not be a better option than two mis-matched eight ohm cabs? Just a suggestion. [/quote] Too much to lug mate - i want to split the stack up. There is such a massive guf in price between the Genz Focus range and the MB cabs. From what i hear on the youtube demo's - the Genz Focus range sounds nice.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358261405' post='1935798'] I think you're over analysing this. It's understandable, you want to get the best sound for your money, but, be honest, anything will be an improvement on your Laney (sorry!). You really won't need another cab with a DB410. It's that good. They are a little heavy but their tone and volume is right up there with the best of the best. I don't know about working with your amp, I expect that it would. I've owned 2 Markbass amps and they worked well with every cab I bought, but at this price you could buy this cab and a new Aguilar TH500, really blow your band away, and still be in budget. But, as I said in your other thread, the Genz Focus range would probably suit you as well. You need to test some gear. [/quote] Yes maybe you're right, i am over cooking it a bit. It's interesting though, and you guys have given me a fairly good understanding now. I deffo need to test some gear, just where i live it's a bit of a graveyard so nothing much to try. The Genz Focus range sure is tempting me, am yet to find a negative review on them and they're veyr cheap and powerful. Yeah the Aguilar i'm sure would be amazing, but i am just hung up on getting 2x 8ohm cabs!!! Feel free to insult my Laney, it's the only cab i have had since i started playing in a band at 16, i can't believe i have had it this long really. It's a relief to know i am ont he way to improving my sound, quite excited actually. Would the Genz Focus range be a massive step up for me too?

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358260499' post='1935779'] I've only seen good reviews about the Genz Focus range. They aren't expensive but they seem to be punching above their weight. I believe Bassdirect are the Genz importers.Give Mark a call. [/quote] Yeah, i was suprised the amount of power the range has compared to the price. Almost seems to good to be true, but if you can save £300 and still get a quality cab then it's worth finding out more.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358255185' post='1935618'] There's an Aguilar 410 just gone on sale here for £300! Grab that quick. It'll make you sound fantastic. [/quote] Nice spot!!! Isn't this just a 4ohm cab though? ideally i am after an 8ohm so i can add an extra cab. Will this cab work well with my MB head?

[quote name='barkin' timestamp='1358257894' post='1935683'] Are you assuming you need a 15 to get the lows? Don't. [/quote] I guess i am assuming that to be honest. How can ia cheive them without it? I hava Geddy Lee which is a bit limited with the low end so i need that extra bit of help you see.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358254600' post='1935599'] Under normal working conditions, no speaker can blow up an amp. If you went from a Laney 410 to a BF S12, that's the equivalent of a scooter to a Harley or an Escort to a Merc. [/quote] Haha nice. Well i have never fully appreciated the importance of a cab before, i always thought it was about the amp. I guess i have a decent amp now, but have never realised it's full potenial due to having a crappy cab. Just been looking at the Genz Benz cabs - the focus series are cheap but i guess that's for a reason? I think i'll look at Aguilar and Markbass cabs as i have been told both of these makes will work well with my Markbass head.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1358253728' post='1935573'] Markbass and GK..??? not sure on that, tbh...but GK and GK will do ok..even if the sound is not for me. 500w will work into a 210 and 115 and be a good match up, IMO. this should also be a decent carry and relatively compact onstage. 410 and 115 or 410/410 is a stage rig and looks mental/stupid in a pub, IMO. I favour 2x210's and they stack about a 1mtr high. and the thing with the 2 cab idea I have mentioned is that the modular approach can work. If you are a LOUD band and play decent sized stages, then a 610 is a great idea, IMV... but it could be a pain to lug EVERYwhere. [/quote] We are loud, we're diverse, so i need to get a good all round balanced sound. With 2x 210 set-up will i acheive the lowend desired than what i'd get with a 115 and 210 setup? What's the benefits of each set-up?

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1358252858' post='1935533'] So similar priced to a new Bergantino cab then, if you can get them (hint the only importer is [url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Berg_HD_112_210_410_212.html"]bassdirect[/url]) Either way these cabs will do the job for you. [/quote] As the barefaced super 12T is rated 150-1200W RMS @ 4ohms, am i right in thinking that if i just connect this to my amp then i am getting full power of my amp? Is the wattage/rms you're after something you discuss with the manufacturer? as i wouldn't want to blow my amp. Also as it's a 4 ohm cab i presume i can't connect an 8ohm 1x15 to it. Will the super 12T honestly deliver any venue on it's own, will it have the punch and low end required?

[quote name='winterfire666' timestamp='1358251710' post='1935473'] They are only available direct, and there is a waiting time due to high demand and the fact they are made to order. they are not cheap but worth every penny in my opinion. they also have a trial period so if you buy one and decide its not for you after trying in a gig situation, you can send it back for a full refund(less postage costs), although iv yet to hear of anyone using this option. [/quote] Right i see, how much are we talking then?

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1358245131' post='1935297'] I agree with 51m0n, there's a lot of good cabs out there that will lighter, louder & sound better than what you're looking to do. I could add a 2x10 (or two) as a suggestion. I had a Trace Elliot 4x10 & got a MarkBass 2x10 combo to replace it, expecting to need to add another cab. But it's far superior in sound, volume & weight & has so far been more than loud enough for all the gigs I've done. Bigger venues of over 300 people have had PA & I've been asked to turn down at a few beer festivals without PA. [/quote] Right that's interesting. I notice the barefaced cab suggested arn't listen on GAK, will have to seek them out though. I have never considered using a 2x12 before. What does say two 2x12 cabs stacked give you that a 4x10 and 1x15 doesn't?

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358250269' post='1935430'] So each cab will get approx 225 watts, but only if you turn the amp up to 11! Are you ever going to play that loud? In reality you'll be putting nearer 100 watts into each cab (if that) so all your gear will be working comfortably within spec. If you get speakers with high sensitivity then you'll need even fewer watts to drive them loud. I've heard 2 Markbass Standard 102F cabs with your amp and they sounded pretty impressive. [/quote] Well, the band i'm in play from small pubs to the occasional outdoor gigs and larger venues, so it's a mixed bag really. I want a rig which can handle any situation with ease. I would rather have more power than i need. So you'd recommend two 2x10's stacked then with my amp? I have been getting swayed by the GK cabs - especially looking at the GK 410 RBH as it has good reviews, just wondering if it would sound good with a Markbass head. In fact i am tempted to go down the GK route with a head too as the tone seems to be more flexible than a MB. I know they're a lot heavier to lift though. I really need to try some of these amps and cabs out in a shop - anyone recommend any music shops in Birmingham or Manchester where they have all these in stock to try out?

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1358203894' post='1934975'] Ah, my mistake. There's a link to a clearer image above the one you posted, which suggests it's 450w at 4 ohms. So around the 280w at 8 ohms. With a pair of cabs you'll be putting 225w into each of them. [/quote] Cheers Musky. So say the 4x10 i buy is 800 watts @ 8ohms and the 1x15 is 400 watts @ 8ohms. Each cab will only be running at 225 watts? Am i right in thinking the two cabs will only be running at half their capacity?

So you don't recommend me connecting a 1x15 to a 4x10 even if it's made by the same company and are advised to go together? I just need to understand all the ohmage and wattage when going from 8 ohms to 4 ohms then i can start purchasing.

Hi guys, i currently use a 4x10 cab with my amp all at 8 ohms I am going to upgrade my cab with a new 4x10 and also buy a 1x15 cab to work my amp at 4 ohms. Trouble is i need to get my head round the basics before i take the plunge. My amp is 550 watts @ 4 ohms (don't know the rms) (Markbass head) So just say i buy a 1x15 cab rated 400 watts @ 8 ohms and a 4x10 cab rated 800 watts @ 8 ohms. (Both cabs Ampeg) How will the power rating work with my amp, will it give me headroom, or will i risk blowing my amp. If someone could explain this to me and how much power will be sent through each speaker it would help me no end. How will these cabs work with my amp?

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1358198782' post='1934819'] 300w RMS at 8 ohms, 500w at 4 apparently. [url="http://www.markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=82"]http://www.markbass....etail.php?id=82[/url] [/quote] It's not the same one mate. This is the exact one i have here. [url="http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=mark+bass+f+series&view=detail&id=2F86FA7CE681729C728E73BADE1F4450D7D572B1"]http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=mark+bass+f+series&view=detail&id=2F86FA7CE681729C728E73BADE1F4450D7D572B1[/url]