Rick's Fine '52

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1422362864' post='2671579'] Perhaps my thread title was a bit OTT... "Rickenbacker reissue old bass (very similiar to current standard)" probably would have been more appropriate. [/quote] Fixed.

[quote name='Who's Who' timestamp='1422344827' post='2671304'] So was there more than one model of the 4005. When I google images of the bass, some have no binding, with rounder edges and triangle fret markers. But some have binding, back and front, and dot fret markers? [/quote] Here ya go, there were apparently some 6 string versions (4005/6), although i've never seen one, and they were basically baritone guitars like the Fender VI, but here's the basses;; [b][u][url="http://www.rickresource.com/rrp/burgundyglo4005.html"][color=#660000]4005[/color][/url][/u][/b] [b]This bass is a hollow body model. Features: Offset double cut semi-hollow away body similar styling to 1965 model 360-375 guitar, single bound edge on the back of the body, unbound rounded front edge, bound cat's eye soundhole, teardrop shaped pickguard, clear plastic finger rest, large crushed pearl triangle inlays, 2 toaster pickups, R tailpiece, 2 volume/2 tone/mix controls. Available only in Fireglo and Mapleglo finishes. 1965 - Introduced 1969 - Headstock shortened 1970 - Colorglo finishes available 1972 - High gain pickups replaced toaster pickups 1973 - Single color (white or black) binding replaced block body binding 1973 - Smaller pearloid inlays replaced crushed pearl large triangle inlays 1974 - Gap in center raised lip of bridge eliminated 1984 - Discontinued[/b] [url="http://www.rickresource.com/rrp/burgundyglo4005.html"][color=#660000][b]4005[/b][/color][/url]S [b]This bass is also known as Rose Morris European export model "3261". Features: Hollow unbound double cut away body similar to model 360 guitar, R tailpiece. Available only in Fireglo and Mapleglo finishes. Un-bound F-Hole sound hole. 1965 - Introduced 1969 - Discontinued [url="http://www.rickresource.com/rrp/4005WB75.html"][color=#660000][size=5]4005WB or 4005OS[/size][/color][/url] This bass is the double-bound version of the 4005 model. Originally this model was called 4005 OS. Bound Cat’s eye soundhole Features: Hollow double bound double cut away body similar to model 360 guitar, R tailpiece. Available only in Fireglo and Mapleglo finishes. 1966 - Introduced 1984 - Discontinued[/b] [b][url="http://www.rickresource.com/rrp/4005lightshow.html"][color=#660000][size=5]4005 LS "Lightshow"[/size][/color][/url] This bass is a special multi-colored light version of the 4005. It is the companion to the 331 model light show guitar. This was a special order item. Catseye soundhole. Features: (1968?) - Introduced (1968?) - Discontinued [/b] [b]4005/8[/b] [b]This bass is the eight-string version of the 4005 model. Features: The headstock was elongated in order to accommodate the 8 tuning machines. 1967 - Introduced 1984 - Discontinued [/b]

[quote name='luckman67' timestamp='1422200419' post='2669770'] It would be great just to spend a weekend going through every case, & trying them out . [/quote] I'm not sure a weekend would be enough?

Thanks Beer of The Bass & Kev, much appreciated! I used to just copy and paste, and it was fine, but this way works great, thanks for the help!! Rick

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1422211373' post='2669910'] good opportunity to share a photo of a 4005 though! .... [/quote] I'll try again Luke(Thanks to some helpful bc folk);

I am no longer able to copy and paste pics from photobucket into thread resplies on here? I can copy a link, but i hate it when people do that, if someone is talking about something, show it, not a link. But i cannoy simply copy and paste the picture, which i've done on here for years. Now it just copies the URL, which someone has to copy into their browser, like we did 20 years ago. Can anyone help?? Ta

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1422211373' post='2669910'] good opportunity to share a photo of a 4005 though! .... [/quote] Go on then Luke, I'll oblige; Actually i can't, does anyone know why you can no longer copy images from photobucket onto this site??

I'm still unsure if the OP was being sarcastic or not, having read the post again, but i'll assume yes.

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1422036656' post='2668114'] For a few seconds you had me thinking they'd re-issued the 4005. [/quote] ha, me too!! Absolutely nothing new to see here......., although no surprise at all really is it.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1422205118' post='2669822'] And there he is!! [/quote] Yep, I'm here Mark. . Not sure how committed I am, but i do enjoy them. And they continue to show what good investments they are, as anyone in the know will testify. In fact the last 3 years has shown growth in the quality vintage market has been bigger than ever, as the price of examples like this stacker will show. And they do sell for this money, not just touted as such. Lots of people said 3 years ago that the market had peaked, but those who bought stack knobs at c£8k then, will appreciate the, ahem, appreciation. I appreciate everyone doesn't have £8k, but you know what i mean. If this is your thing, and you are fortunate enough to be able to dabble, then why not. Basses have actually faired better than 6 stringers, which went mad in the mid nineties, and after a settling, are now starting to rise again. But the top basses are now fetching similar money to same year 6'ers. Unfortunately, the CITES issues are likely to mean even fewer of these slab board Jazzes being available, and raise prices even more. btw, PM replied to.

Very, very tasty.

I've heard dozens of different 'official' quotes. To be honest, unless you are personally importing or exporting, or even shipping items that contain these materials, then you have nothing to worry about. I always use a third party, and it will be their job to sort the papers. If no-one gets any permissions, then no more instruments containing those materials will enter or leave these shores, which would be a great shame. I'm yet to hear of any case of anyone having an issue, although i suspect its only a matter of time.......can of worms time methinks!

[size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]If you can demonstrate a chain of custody (or ownership), since CITES was introduced, then its ok. You may need a permit to 'move' an instrument, depending where you're coming from, or going to. The key is to check, get some history on your instrument, and if there is no intended intent to modify the endangered component, it should be ok, here's some more;[/font][/size] [color=#666666] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The CITES secretariat in Geneva were contacted for practical advice from musicians, and a fellow who preferred to be identified only as “spokesperson said. "Travelers,” he told me, “should be most concerned when traveling in or out of the U.S., E.U., Australia or Japan because those countries have the strictest enforcement efforts.” “And,” he added, “ You’ve got to pay very close attention to the legal requirements”[/font][/size][/color] [color=#666666] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The rule: To move one of the listed species across the border of one of the 172 signatories, you’ll need an export permit, which will be granted only if “a Scientific Authority of the State of export has advised that such export will not be detrimental to the survival of that species” (This has been accepted in the case of instruments of a vintage nature), and the item “was not obtained in contravention of the laws of that State for the protection of fauna and flora.”, since those laws existed. In addition, you’ll need an import permit from the destination country, obtainable upon proof that importation isn’t for “primarily commercial purposes.”[/font][/size][/color] [color=#666666] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]So, get your papers, say its for personal use, and it should be ok, although it may be a concern for some.[/font][/size][/color]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but here's a little glimpse into Norm's collection, some fine vintage stuff here, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'd love to spend a few days looking through that lot, although I did manage to prize the stack knob from him shown in this video. Not sure he'd be happy watching the manhandling of some of them though?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASAhl8cxB2A http://youtu.be/ASAhl8cxB2A https://i.ytimg.com/vi_webp/ASAhl8cxB2A/mqdefault.webp

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1421599364' post='2663105'] Wasn't the Riccie version just slanted in one direction though? Not strickly a fan-fret system and the benefits that brings in terms of a longer scale length for the lower strings, but just to ease the playing angle or something? I've not seen the Fender version, but I do know that Novak has customised strats to take the full fan fret system. [/quote] No, the Rick was fanned like a Dingwall, although they did make a slanted version too, they did several models in fact. The fender version was just slanted frets on the Marauder, in 1966. Here's some example pics, but google images is a good enough source for similar; [url="http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/rosesguitar_2007/rickfanned_zps9c4e93a0.jpg"]http://i208.photobuc...zps9c4e93a0.jpg[/url] [url="http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/rosesguitar_2007/rickfanned_zps9c4e93a0.jpg"]http://i208.photobuc...zps9c4e93a0.jpg[/url] [url="http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb290/rosesguitar_2007/rickfanned_zps9c4e93a0.jpg"]http://i208.photobuc...zps9c4e93a0.jpg[/url] (Photobucket copy isn't working, so you'll have to click it, sorry)

Fullerton reissue from 1982. if the poles are flat then its a '62 P reissue. Nice set of pickups, pretty sought after.

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1420998146' post='2655998'] I quite enjoyed them, but moved mine on in the end. I can't quite get the idea of the Super P & J where the scale length on the upper strings is shorter than a Fender. Presumable to go for heavier strings, seems to fly in the face of the purpose of a Dingwall. [/quote] This, plus.... Fender and Rickenbacker have both tried fanned frets in the 60's, soon ditched. Not for me, but each to their own. You defo need to try before you buy i reckon though, as its clearly not everyones taste.

The Fender Bass-an Illustrated History by Black & Molinaro, as stated above is the best all bass book. The Fender Bass by Klaus Blasquiz is pretty poor, cheap....for a reason! Fender-The sound heard around the world by Smith, is a good Fender company history reference book Fender-The golden age by Kelly is really good book showing all of Fenders work from '46 -'70. Fender-The inside story by Forest White is another good Fender history book Fender Precision Basses '51 to '54 by Detlef is also great, but only covers the earliest models How the Fender Bass changed the World by Jim Roberts is good, but again lots of reference and history lots of others, but they are the mainstream ones I would recommend the top one, it pretty much covers everything you are likely to need, on Fender basses, great detail, reference, dating info, and of course some fine GAS inducing pics.

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1420668946' post='2652090'] £50 says scam. Even if not, as someone who's sold a thing or two on here, if in the same situation I'd decline the sale and seek a more straight forward deal. Good luck either way. C [/quote] More straightforward than cash on collection? Is there one? I think this thread got people over excited. The only way i do business, if i dont know the person, is cash on collection/delivery. In my experience, which is considerable, it is the only safe way to trade. Just make sure the cash is legit. We should be more trusting of people methinks.

I dont think its odd at all. If an instrument is well looked after, and not gigged every day, then it should be in this condition. The '52 I owned until recently was in near mint condition, and the '53 I now have is the same, well looked after instruments, which is why they command big money, the same as any well kept antiquity. Out of thousands of examples produced, to find a dozen or so still in top condition is not that unusual, imho. Not everyone gigs their gear either. That was also the same back in the 50's. I stopped gigging in '94, so for the past 20 years, my basses have been in cases, for the most part, so have not aged at all in that time. If someone bought a bass in the 50's, and played in their houses every couple of weeks for an hour, and it was in a case, it would be still almost mint, with probably some light lacquer checking. The '52 I had was never kept in its gig bag as they are not very protective, so was always kept in a hard tweed case for the majority of its life.

I had a similar dealing about 5 years ago with a Russian buyer, no problems either. To be honest, if they ahve the cash, then sell them the head, its no different to any other cash on collection sale. The fact its a Polish middle-man, I think is irrelevant. But, as has been muted, if the guy turns up and says theres a last minute problem, just turn away. And, get a test pen from a bank for testing notes. I know Barclays give you them, because i've got several over recent years, very quick peace of mind.