Robert Manning

[quote name='shine182' post='1252107' date='May 31 2011, 09:55 PM']Definately Jazz bassed!

Got the ampeg stack and been playing a Jaguar, which has a similar pickup setup.

But i'm thinking there must be something else... for just a touch more growl?

Perhaps a Tech 21 VT?

Perhaps im just imagining it lol

Thanks

Alex[/quote]


the jaguar dosent really sound like a STD jazz. well, it does but...its much brighter snappier sounding.

carlos's's's'ss ss sound i really simple to get, its just a jazz bass with dirty strings and a pick. oh and played nearer the neck for more of a mellow sound,

if my growl you mean... a bump in the mids around 100k. its mainly the production side of things and playing style
he plays in drop D too.

the last album is amazing also

I think being a pro, is knowing how to achieve a particular timbre, understanding materials and HARMONICS, (not the things that you play on your bass) (learn about fundamentals and harmonics its enlightening)

i think being an artist is writing songs and falling into the timbre by mistake in a way.

think of some rock bass players... do they work out how achieve a gritty mildly distorted bass sound with a pick by studying the art of tone, or is it just the only way they know how to do what they do.

hard to say, until you meet them.

why would you buy a fender rip off when you could buy a real fender?

;P

[quote name='shine182' post='1252041' date='May 31 2011, 08:59 PM']Hi There,

Love the deep bass growl on this track by Interpol.

[url="http://youtu.be/GAEPl_MKAQQ"]http://youtu.be/GAEPl_MKAQQ[/url]

Any ideas how I can get this sound?

Thanks

Alex[/quote]

MASSIVE INTERPOL FAN HEAR!, So glad someone out there....

anyway. its a usa fender jazz, (basically any decent jazz with a rosewood neck) through an ampeg 8x10, svt rig.

make sure your roundwound strings are pretty used too..

Carlos is one of my fave bass players out there.

[quote name='silentbob' post='1248305' date='May 28 2011, 03:17 PM']Just been listening to Walk On By by The Stranglers and started thinking to myself, like i often do when listening to stuff, how did he get that tone? Then started wondering whether bass players had always strived to get their perfect sound, or was just a case of plug in your bass to whatever's available, bugger around with the pedal and amp settings for thirty seconds and that'll do, leaving future generations of bass players marvelling at their skill and spending hundreds of pounds trying to recreate that sound. Any thoughts?[/quote]


Ive spoken to lots of bass players in real bands, (like what non bass players listen to) and for many of them, its just 'go for it, and see what happens' i think a lot of the sound is the producer's responsibility at the end of the day...

i spoke to the young knifes the other day, and i asked the bass player what he used for the previous records... he couldn't quite remember. a lot of guys use the bass/amp that is hanging around the studio at the time of recording! until they they get development moneys to go out and buy a instrument of there liking!.

and us suckers, listen to our ipods thinking ' i wish one day i sound as good as that.. and ah i really want a rickenbacker so i can sound like .....'

Ive done it... then after studying music tech full time, you realise, that most musicians are in fact; idiots*


*(everyone on bass chat is awesome and not an idiot

It just look [u][b]righ[/b][/u]t. so does an [b]Ampeg 8 by 10.[/b]

Also. because there [size=5]brilliant[/size]

mmm...

mine says MIA... well i like that because its better than MIM, and it makes me feel better.

just being honest

[quote name='hillbilly deluxe' post='1235499' date='May 18 2011, 11:58 AM']MIM = Mexicans in Mexico
MIA =Mexicans in America.[/quote]

indeed true!

[quote name='Robert Manning' post='1236468' date='May 18 2011, 11:29 PM']Make me an offer [/quote]


With ashdown 2x10 mag for £300?

I love my thunderbird!

Its a gibson btw, i think the cheepo bog std epi's may have tarnished the specialness of the real thing.

my gibson is resonant responsive very rich sounding. and above all beautiful.

oh and very fun to play.

AND......... ARE THERE NO KINGS OF LEON FANS HEAR? the last three albums featured some great rock bass performances.

Check out the latest single 'immortals'.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/manning6680?feature=mhee"]http://www.youtube.com/user/manning6680?feature=mhee[/url]


i use it as a self progress blog!

[quote name='4-string-thing' post='1237496' date='May 19 2011, 10:11 PM']I hope this is irony, cos I've always found just the opposite!

Bass players are always forward thinking and looking to try new equipment ie, graphite necks, composite bodies, new cab designs, class D amps etc etc.

Guitarists can't seem to get beyond a strat, tele or les paul through a valve amp, all 50's technology![/quote]


Very good point!

haha, i have the waves plugins i got from a torrent! ha

Get a saffire 6, two brilliant mic pre's. same as whats used in the expensive stuff.

[quote name='Robert Manning' post='1234956' date='May 17 2011, 09:38 PM']Pretty much as new!

Used for 6 or so gigs only! at home i use studio monitors for practising

Comes as new, pretty much.

Boxed with all box stuff...

owned for about 10 months

Payd 359.99 in nevada, so looking for £200.

I'll get pictures up when its daytime!

Cheers![/quote]


Make me an offer

[quote name='famstd' post='1235130' date='May 18 2011, 02:02 AM']A lot of nice basses out there. In 42+ years I played a few, but I always came back to and liked the Fender Am. Std. Jazz the most. The End.

[/quote]

i have that exact same bass.. its the best.

Ad had one of those once! possible the best value instrument ever!

Pretty much as new!

Used for 6 or so gigs only! at home i use studio monitors for practising

Comes as new, pretty much.

Boxed with all box stuff...

owned for about 10 months

Payd 359.99 in nevada, so looking for £200.

I'll get pictures up when its daytime!

Cheers!

[quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1234170' date='May 17 2011, 12:26 PM']The thunderbird doesn't neck dive?


I remember at the Notts bass bash I played some wood and tronics basses and they were great, they played pretty amazing and sounded as if the engineers had designed them to sound as best as a bass can sound. Some would say like a piano.
But its got very little character and im sure in a mix you wouldnt be able to say "hmm sounds like a wood and tronics"

It's for this I prefer stingrays, the characterful sound is very distinguishable in a mix.[/quote]


ah, im playing my thunderbird now.. it actually has no neck dive sitting down. its a usa 1994 i think.. its so much thunn to play.

[quote name='chris_b' post='1234099' date='May 17 2011, 11:19 AM']Just a view but, looking at your gear, the Stingray is the only bass I'd keep![/quote]

how freaky i just phoned up UCAS confirming a place at Kingston upon Thames uni! haha.

Curiosity i setting in now!
Might but a post on the for sale section seeing if anyone wants to swap for my stingray!

[quote name='Doddy' post='1234081' date='May 17 2011, 11:05 AM']But then,Janek uses a Precision for a lot of gigs.

Having a fancy modern bass won't make you a better player-it may inspire you but it won't,by itself,improve
your playing.
Look at someone like Jeff Berlin.OK,some people don't like his music but you can't argue about his
technical facility on the instrument. He uses a pretty basic and relatively inexpensive Dean bass with
passive electronics-he wouldn't be any better,technically,on a Fodera.[/quote]


true true... i was also thinking.. i don't own any basses that don't neck dive!

[quote name='BigRedX' post='1234057' date='May 17 2011, 10:44 AM']It entirely depends what you want out of the instruments you play. IMO an instrument has to do 3 things: look good, produce sounds that are appropriate to the music you are playing, and allow you to play what you want with the least amount of restrictions (so the limiting factor is your technical ability not the instrument design). If the instruments you have a tick all those boxes then perhaps you don't need to look any further...

... Except the music that was made possible by those "classic" guitars and basses from the 50s and 60s was forward looking. Those musicians took what what was already an innovative concept and pushed it even further creating sounds and ways of playing that the designers at Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker had never even considered. Why shouldn't we as musicians and performers still be pushing forward against those boundaries today? Just as the early electric guitars and basses built on what had gone before combining traditional luthiery with more modern electronics, the designs that have come since carry this on, each modern luthier/manufacturer taking what they consider to be good from the past and improving what they consider needs improving.

There are unfortunately a lot of very bland and unimaginative modern basses, but there are also very many that are just as radical when compared with their contemporaries as the basses of Fender Gibson and Rickenbacker were back in the 50s and 60s.

There's also the myth that the original basses of the 50s and 60s (especially the Fender P) fit effortlessly into the mix. However if you listen to 50s rock n roll where music was on the cusp of moving from the upright bass to the electric bass, you'll notice that the overall sounds and arrangements changed as the bass part moved from one instrument to the other. The Fender bass didn't simply slot into the space left by the upright bass but forced the overall sound to change to accommodate it. And now we've had 50+ years to get used to that "new" sound and how the other instruments should sound to fit around it.

I think also the musicians of the 60s and 70s who had embraced these new instruments and the music that they made possible would be disappointed by some the attitudes displayed by "rock" musicians today. They were the originators, working outside of the mainstream - rebel artists and most definitely not part of the establishment. While today there are still "rock" musicians with that forwards looking pioneering attitude they are very much in the minority.

Back in the 70s when I was getting into "rock" music anyone who had a liking for music made 50 years earlier was either making some kind of ironic statement or in the words of the day 'completely square'!

Back to the main point of the OP. You state that you like the basses of Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker who each produced very different looking sounding and playing instruments. If your tastes are versatile to encompass all of these then there is really no reason why there shouldn't be more modern designs that appeal to you too and by that I mean brand new designs, not just the ones that have made small incremental improvements to the "classics". Get out there and play everything you can get your hands on. The only things that matter are whether you like how it looks and sounds and that the instrument doesn't compromise your playing style.[/quote]


thanks guys! wise words there. ive taken note...
Im going to tray and find some new designs out there, are there any places in the south of england sporting these type of models? i was looking in bass mag, i saw a GUS on the front cover... i like that

[quote name='Lozz196' post='1234041' date='May 17 2011, 10:29 AM']I think as well here, is that, if for example you love the sound of a Precision, playing any bass that doesn`t sound like one, new or old, may put you off - it did me, when I tried a Jazz, great bass, but just didn`t sound right.

So trying a modern bass that has Precision tone-qualities/ability - well that may be how you can decide on this.[/quote]

That's a good point! Our ears do become accustomed to sounds and make friends. Any thing different you subcoubsionly dislike.

Rob.