Mr. Foxen

With a head and cab, you have the option of swapping about, and taking just the head to shared backline gigs. Plus the cab alone will be easier to sell than a combo with a missing amp if yo don't like it. Should probably try the 2x10 and the 1x15 for a preference, but the 2x10 has more potential to double up and do the vertical stack thing.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338592063' post='1677113'] We've been over this. Repeatedly. [b][size=6]Proof that you gave an item to a courier is not what paypal will accept as proof of delivery to the buyer. [/size][/b] [/quote] You have no obligation to deliver an item that is being collected by the buyer. That is all of the point. If you have no obligation to deliver, because its a collect item, then you cannot be held responsible for ensuring delivery. How hard is that to grasp?

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338589570' post='1677082'] the case of cash and collection using paypal [/quote] How does that question even make sense? If you have their money, and they've got their goods, you don't need protection. The only thing that can happen is they try and use their protection by claiming non-delivery, whereupon you have the evidence that delivery was nothing to do with you, and additionally the evidence you have handed over goods to a courier in the form of the pickup receipt.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338585858' post='1676992'] Paypal and eBay are not independent. They are owned by the same people. The cases I mentioned were ebay auctions where the buyer paid by paypal. [/quote] But they do have seperate dispute resolution processes, the paypal one applies to both, but the ebay one only applies to ebay transactions, and ebay fully co-operate with paypal in the sense of releasing all information such as the transaction details. Like the bit that entirely lacks a mention of posting on this item, and all of the messages exchanged. [quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338585858' post='1676992'] Seeing as you were so keen on posting links earlier---please show me the part of eBay's t&cs which backs up your argument. Especially [url="http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/seller-protection-faq.html#How%20are%20sellers%20protected%20from%20losing%20a%20case?"]given this entry from their FAQ[/url] [size=3][i][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For “item not received” cases, if sellers post the item within their stated handling time and provide a valid proof of delivery for the item, eBay is likely to decide in their favour.[/font][/color][/i] [color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][i]“Proof of delivery” is [b]online documentation[/b] from a postal company that includes [b]all of the following[/b]:[/i][/font][/color][/size][list] [*][size=3][i]A status of “delivered” (or equivalent in the country to which the item was delivered) and the date of delivery.[/i][/size] [*][size=3][i]The recipient’s address, showing at least the city/county or postcode (or international equivalent).[/i][/size] [*][size=3][i]Signature Confirmation for transactions that total £150 or more.[/i][/size] [/list] [/quote] This is still regarding the seller posting, which is not the case if the buyer has the item collected. You are welcome to think its trolling, but the same logic in what I've said applies from the very start, which is why you have to keep on pretending the seller is posting the item in order to form a rebuttal, when that is not the case.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338584968' post='1676961'] Another reason why paypal / ebay are not popular. They insist on making paypal a payment option but their protection policies mean that a seller who accepts paypal for a collection item is not necessarily protected. Its a nasty catch-22 that is well documented. Personally speaking, if I was selling something high value cash-on-collection I would insist on the buyer paying cash. I'd rather take the feedback/fees hit than risk getting scammed. [/quote] With the Ebay protection (bearing in mind all the preceding stuff mentioned was paypal independent of ebay) you have the written agreement in the form of your invoice and payment details saying 'buyer to collect' plus all communication on record to back you up in case of issues, which makes it a pretty different deal to a pure paypal transaction, where its your word against theirs.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1338581265' post='1676883'] It's cash on collection. so unless the courier comes with the cash.... otherwise arrange your own courier, quote for packaging and then quote for your time for wrapping and waiting for the courier. [/quote] If its on ebay, paypal has to be an option.

Proof of deliver for the seller is the proof they've handed it to the collector. The stuff you posted is from Paypal, who operate their claims system separately from Ebay, Ebay having a lot more procedural stuff forming the agreement between seller and buyer, for exactly the reason of dispute resolution. The fact you don't understand or notice the difference between the two is why you are throwing up inapplicable scenarios. If you agree to ship an item via ebay, and then actually hand it over, then you have the obligation to provide a POD to the address agreed, because you've said you will deliver, with a collection only, the proof of collection from the courier is as far as you need. And the cash on collection was still regarding stuff not via Ebay where its entirely done on trust with no claims or arbitration process or records.

First one didn't go via the ebay dispute process, which would have found in the guys favour due to positive feedback, I would guess he just ignored all messages and didn't respond assuming it would sort itself out (non response from a party = finding in favour of other party). Second was not via ebay, where the shipping/collection method is made clear, in the OP case, collection.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338574640' post='1676735'] Thats all well and good, but as has been pointed out repeatedly---paypal themselves make it clear that you are not covered as a seller in this scenario. [/quote] Read teh scenario, and note who is being addressed by each statement in the link, and note it is regarding seller protection. One is for a person having scammers offer to buy a car by paypal, and nothing to do with ebay. Seller protection isn't even relevant anyway, all that the seller has to do is being able to respond to a buyer protection case, and buyer protection doesn't apply when an item is collected by the buyer. You have been paid by them, they can't get their payment back without bringing a case and succeeding

The buyer trusts the courier, its them that is contracting with them. That makes it exactly the same situation as if they sent any other third party, except with the additional guarantee of a recognised name of the courier, and the requirement for them to leave paperwork. Its all about co-operation to get your item sold. If you make yourself difficult to deal with deliberately, that is the whole point of the feedback system.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338571488' post='1676678'] If that were the case then unscrupulous sellers could rip off buyers even more easily. Buyer pays by paypal Seller pockets cash Buyer arranges to pickup item Seller doesn't turn up at designated meeting point Buyer contacts paypal saying "I never got my item" Seller provides "receipt" saying item handed over or posted to some random address (which they claim buyer asked them to do in a phone call) What then? [/quote] The seller still has the item and is a scammer apparently, gets a bad feedback, and possibly further action from ebay. I've had a guy not be in when I arrived to collect, he delivered next day and paid for time.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1338570897' post='1676657'] If I'd listed an eBay item as 'cash on collection only' and the winning bidder sent me a message stating they would pay by PayPal and send a courier, I'd blow them out totally and list the item again, stressing the fact that it is [b]CASH ON COLLECTION [u]ONLY[/u][/b]. [/quote] That would breach ebay rules and thus you get no protection and lose your fees.

All the proof of delivery stuff only applies if the payment was made for an item the seller needs to deliver. Paypal never say accept cash, the internal logic there shows you its wrong, especially knowing ebay force paypal as an option. And when an item is collected, you get a receipt for it, that's your proof of delivery, into the hands of the buyers agent. If a buyer is going to lie, everything makes no difference, because that is the nature of lies. You respond in ebay with your proof of delivery, which you won't have if they collected it in person, so a courier is better anyway, since they give you a receipt.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338570018' post='1676637'] You're confusing "what ebay should do" with "what ebay will do" I'm afraid. If a buyer raises an "item not received" claim then you need to be able to prove that the item was delivered to their registered delivery address. You can have all the collection notes you want, but if you don't have POD to the registered paypal address then they won't cover you. Paypal are pretty explicit about this. [/quote] I've done it though. Post links to paypal saying otherwise. Otherwise I'm going to be sticking with what actually happened in the scenarios like this one that I have actually experienced. When an item is collected from you by the buyer, or an agent thereof, anything else from that point is nothing to do with you, why would it be? All this proof of delivery stuff is entirely to do with a seller agreeing to arrange shipping themselves.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338569632' post='1676628'] To be covered by Paypal you have to post to the buyers registered address. proof of delivery to any other address isn't good enough. It's stupid, but that's the way it is. [/quote] This isn't the seller posting.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1338569217' post='1676614'] And if they contact the courier and change delivery address. [/quote] That's not different from them picking it up, and driving to a different address. If you have a collection note with the appropriate details, thats it, take a copy, send to ebay.

When a carrier colelcts, they leave a receipt copy of the note, with the delivery address on it, if it doesn't match, then don't hand it over. I've been through the process of having a collect only item collected by my courier many times. A friend did so and it got damaged due to poor packing. Ebay sided with the seller, even though they were a bit of a crazy. Edit: I've had a guy courier a hardcase boxed to me, so I could pack the guitar into it, and then he sent another courier to collect that the next day, that was neat.

No obligation to pack without further negotiation. And as soon as you demand cash via ebay, you lose and ebay stiff you. Obligated to accept paypal.

Refusal to co-operate with an entirely reasonable request to act through the buyer's agent is cheerfully grounds for a neutral feedback.

[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1338566799' post='1676549'] But the buyer is sending UPS to collect. The buyer is NOT asking the seller to post it. No more hassle than the buyer collecting. What's the difference between the buyer collecting and UPS collecting? NOTHING The seller is just looking for an excuse to relist coz he got less than he wanted. Poor form! [/quote] Kind of lack of getting the packing part of the P&P paid, and the hassle of sorting it generally (the buyer collecting would probably give a better idea of time of day), but as far as ebay is concerned, there is no difference. But basically, don't list things for a lower price than you want. It's that hard. Buyer is fully entitled to leave a neutral feedback, probably a reasonably worded bad one, and if they don't co-operate, ebay will keep the selling fees.

Don't need to prove delivery on a collected item. If the buyer arranges collection, then the collection is where sellers responsibility ends. Nothing to do with evading ebay and paypal rules.

That doesn't affect the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery once it is out of their hands. I sent my mum to collect an amp I bought on ebay, if she lost it on the way, its nothing to do with the seller.

If its collect only, if the buyer collects it, by whatever means, then when you hand it over, its done. Its if they pay the seller to courier it after its marked collect only that messes it up, because its whoever makes the contract with the courier that has responsibility, regardless of the requests between the buyer and seller.

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1338554284' post='1676256'] just contacted by the buyer and they want me to wrap it for a courier and i said collection only! God knows what its going to cost to courier, way more than its worth i would guess! [color=#000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][b]Dear skidder652003,[/b] Hello. I am the lucky winner. I will pay you till Monday via paypal. I can arrange the ollection via UPS service for Tuesday or Wednesday. Can you please pack nit for me? Please also inform me with your contact name,full adress and mobile phone number. Waiting for your reply. Kind regards[/size][/font][/color] [color=#000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][b][color=#000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2]- ladybird079[/size][/font][/color][/b][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] That means he is having a courier come and collect it, so it is being collected from you, and everything after the courier collects is his responsibility. Be kind of rude to not do a sensible packing job, but even if you don't and it gets wrecked, ebay side with you, because anything after collection isn't to do with you.

In the amp are, and one is a C-core, the ones I have are also Partridge, if you want a new partridge transformer Matamp, let me know as I have two sets, can share the design cost of figuring the right way to sue them.