xgsjx Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Waaay back in the olden days when bass cabs were really just guitar cabs with guitar drivers, a bigger driver moved more air & 1 15" driver with a 4x10 was a damn sight lighter than 2 4x10s (3 less ceramic magnets to carry). These days it doesn't really matter if you're using 5" or 15", you can get the same frequencies covered (Phil Jones cabs are all 5" drivers). Mixing drivers is just like getting a Hartke cab & "pairing" it with an Ashdown cab. They both sound different to one another. You don't know how it'll sound until you use the 2 together. Using one without the other will sound different again. If you like the uncertainty, then mix drivers/cabs, it might sound good, it might not. If you find a cab you like, then you just add another if you need more volume. What size gigs are you doing? Do you need a bigger rig than a single 1x15, 2x10 or 2x12? For how much you're looking to spend, you could get a good 2x12 & whichever head you fancy & find that you have a rig that will cover almost any venue. I don't know why Hartke don't do a 2x12 cab, though they have 1x12 cabs. I'd happily buy Hartke just going on the great customer service that they've shown on this very forum. Edited October 24, 2013 by xgsjx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenKiev Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Club and bar gigs at the minute. But its deathcore, so LOUD. The band are cranking their 100 watt Marshall half stacks. To put it another way, we play loud enough at practice that it gives you a spot of tinnitus for a day afterwards. We will be playing a bit louder live too. My budget covers the costs if I were to buy everything new, but that is once I sell some of my pre-existing that never gets used. I've not even looked at used gear yet so I'll have to see if there's any bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Unfortunately if you're playing Deathcore with 100 watt half stack wielding guitards means you'll need to run about 500 watts into a 4x10 (IME). Remember that the HX410 is an 8ohm cab so if you run it with the HA or LH head they wont be running at full tilt. FWIW, when I'm supplying backline for metal gigs I usually bring my LH500 and an Ashdown Mag 410 deep. They sound really good together and would cost very little if you go secondhand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 You'll probably find a good vertical 2x10 or 2x12 is more than ample for pub/club gig at any volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who's Who Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 [quote name='Mog' timestamp='1382694545' post='2255444'] Remember that the HX410 is an 8ohm cab so if you run it with the HA or LH head they wont be running at full tilt. [/quote] However if you went for the LH1000 into a single 8 ohm Hydrive 4x10, in bridge mode it would still put out 750 watts. And the cab handles 1000 watt's, so it's still bloody loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 1000 watts means the cab can dissapate a lot of heat. Doesn't say if it's loud or not. Decibels does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenKiev Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Seems like having the 5210c combo + 115 extension cab is the way to go. Thanks for your help everyone! I'll probably swap the LH500 in the combo for a HA5500 in the far future though if that's possible. I'm sure it will be as the LH500 is in there using rack ears if I'm not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Why not the 15" combo & 115 cab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who's Who Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1382715604' post='2255863'] 1000 watts means the cab can dissapate a lot of heat. Doesn't say if it's loud or not. Decibels does that. [/quote] Trust me, the LH1000 is one very, very loud amp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who's Who Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 [quote name='ChickenKiev' timestamp='1382723965' post='2256034'] I'll probably swap the LH500 in the combo for a HA5500 in the far future though if that's possible. I'm sure it will be as the LH500 is in there using rack ears if I'm not mistaken. [/quote] Just a suggestion: [url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/hartke_hx410_hydrive_bundle_2.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/gb/hartke_hx410_hydrive_bundle_2.htm[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 [quote name='Who's Who' timestamp='1382765423' post='2256320'] Trust me, the LH1000 is one very, very loud amp! [/quote] I've no reason to doubt that. I was merely stating that a cab's rating in watts tells you nothing about how loud it can go. My wife had a 2000w surround sound system which wasn't anywhere near as loud as my 30w hifi. 4x10 cabs are a popular, but an outdated design. They're cumbersome & offer poor dispersion in comparison to a vertical array. a 2x12 cab surpasses it in every way, offering a lighter, taller cab with better dispersion & usually better spl ratings. I opted for 2x10 with the intention of adding a 2nd 2x10, but in the past 5 years I've never needed more than a 2x10 & my band are pretty loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropewalkbassist Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I run a 4x10 and 1x115 with a GBE 1200. It can craft any tone. It's a very fine rig. the 4x10 and 1x15 are lighter than my head (20kg). I can lift the cabs with one arm - they are very easy to transport. The downside is the viynl covering - it's quite soft and damages easily. It's not hard-wearing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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