EBS_freak

Generally, anything that takes a song and turns it into an insipid ballad, is beyond terrible.

If <12ms works for you, and you liked the price you paid for it, all power to you!

For a representative measure of latency, you need to split a source - one straight into a DAW, one into your wireless, into your helix (and through any digital pedals you may have (engaged), then into a digital desk, then into your digital iems and then out into the DAW. Then measure the how out of phase you are between the two channels.

Instrument wireless, 6ms, Helix, worse case 2ms (depending upon models), digital desk (I'll be super favourable and choose an XR 18/QU that has 1ms latency as opposed to something more latent), then your inears at 12ms.

21ms. Not great.

Hear on this - 

Now try and lock in with your drummer who is on a wired feed. Flam, flam, flam.

Again, it all depends upon how sensitive you are to latency as to how much you can cope with it. (That's not an ability to play, it's an ability to not be put off by the impact of latency). And of course, if you aren't locking in with the drummer and you can't tell that, people in the audience, or studio, may.

I'm not going to rubbish anybody saying that they are fine with 10ms+latency latency - but likewise, nobody is going to be right in my mind when they are telling me that I can't hear it and am not bothered by it... because I absolutely am. As a rule of thumb, acceptable latency in a pro concert production IEM setup is stated as circa 7-10ms end to end.

2 minutes ago, JPJ said:

My question was really is there a single box per side solution capable of projecting a five-piece band to the back of the room be that a pub or a small club. 

745s are probably the closest to getting that sensible(ish) priced one box per side solution. Remember though, ye cannae change the laws of physics.

Dont get too dependent on a drive rack and flattening the response. The room changes when people are in it... and if you are trying to flatten whilst people in the room, you'll soon start peeing people off!

Orchid Micro DI. If wireless, straight out of the DI output from my ULXD.

All tone shaping at the desk - digital split onto two channels, one for FoH, one for IEM mixes. 

2 hours ago, BigRedX said:

"Less than 12ms latency". Not ideal and may well be unusable once the cumulative effect of all the other latencies in your signal chain have been taken into account.

I wasn't going to say it... because it's all I seem to bleat on about these days. But yeah, utter dog if you have anything else digital in your chain. Probably on the verge of OK if you are just looking for something at home with nothing else in your chain. But I'd be worried what sort of latency is doing to my internal metronome.

Take a trip down Halfords and get some Meguiars ultimate compound. Either elbow grease or buffing wheel will get you there.

Hipshot are amazing. I send an email questioning saddle and string length for intonation... and totally unprompted, through the post I got so many spares and bits and bobs so I could work out exactly what I needed. Spectacular!

33 minutes ago, Mike Brooks said:

Fabulous, cheers Russ! Will order some pronto!

Blue LEDs are the most energy intensive and the PIC microprocessors that are used in the STL system aren't the most energy efficient. (And 9v battery format is totally rubbish for capacity). 

@Mike Brooks- https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BCWQB8TC/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0BCWQB8TC&pd_rd_w=zoe1j&content-id=amzn1.sym.15c0cc83-c6c5-4d44-aa3d-0de17a9f3682&pf_rd_p=15c0cc83-c6c5-4d44-aa3d-0de17a9f3682&pf_rd_r=RSBNSK0AWMD30PG9C3NM&pd_rd_wg=cwaX8&pd_rd_r=feb590b4-a352-481e-8267-fa7f7d9f05d3&s=electronics&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw

Procell 550mAh. The above 1300mAh. Gives you some more LED juice.

Uh oh - these reviews made for interesting reading -

J***S

Amazing idea and format, if it only it sounded good.

Yes its too good to be true, this compact portable nicely packed piece of tech sounded awful. What do i mean by that? There is a grainy/staticy/distortion sound that blankets all of the audio that it transmits. Especially with tones that are of higher graininess already like distorted guitars, or metal music. Tried my kemper profiler, live mixer phones output, cell phone headphone out, all of them plagued by the same problem with this unit. This is not for critical listening expieriences, the sound quality itself i would say is on the budgetary side, if you just want low latency audio despite being pretty low quality sound this is for you. Yes the latency was very low, almost imperceptible, unless of course you are using a digital mixer with 1-3ms latency, kemper profiler with 5.5ms latency, and this unit with 5.5ms latency added. Then you notice a slight difference. But hope this helps. Show less

L***E

Great idea but a total fail!

First off I was totally excited to use this product, but buyers beware you will be totally disappointed that you wasted $200 on this item. When I plugged this unit into my Focusrite interface and got a constant fuzzy static and distortion sound while playing guitar. I tried different audio sources with all displaying the same results. I would not recommend this product to anyone and I will be returning this product. Show less

F***C

Avoid this

There is distortion and static in the high frequencies that I could not get rid of. I tried multiple
headphones and it never would go away. I emailed support several days ago and have not
gotten a response. This is the last NUX product I will purchase.

B***R

Garbage!!

Complete loss of low end. Returned after one use. Do not recommend

(from https://www.desertcart.co.uk/products/502867751-nux-b-7psm-5-8-ghz-wireless-in-ear-monitoring-system-charging-case-included-stereo-audio-transmitting?gclid=Cj0KCQjw2v-gBhC1ARIsAOQdKY1v6dK26QUr00TArm1UtwhaUT81yiZQVjkcVutNbUJsZ0T_qREUpGIaAl1TEALw_wcB)

This line in the description rang alarm bells with me -

Stereo audio for live shows and band rehearsals. Not recommended for quiet, solo practice..

- is this because of the distortion/static that people have referenced in these reviews I wonder?

13 minutes ago, tonyf said:

https://www.nuxefx.com/b7psm.html

 

What do you all think about these? Been using the Xvive U4 for a little while and it's been really good but the idea about running on 5.8Ghz out the way of the crowded 2.4Ghz sounds appealing. 

I been watching a few reviews of these.

There's only a couple of things I dont like - the 5.5ms latency (depending upon your signal chain, this could be OK... or not) - and making up a cable dual XLR to jack socket cable as it is a bit of a niche use cable! (I'd probably use a coupler adapter so I'm onto more normal cables)

You could do a kill switch from the volume pot... or you could do two kill switches, one from each pickup - it could make for a weird intermittent tonal thing - and a total kill with both pressed... Dunno. 

3 minutes ago, BigJHW said:

Sorry was the LD Systems U308 i was looking at (a little cheaper than the 508)

Front of the unit has a Stereo/Mono switch

 

Receiver just seem to have channel select buttons + Volume

Just had a quick look at the manual for it. There is no focus mode on this. So yeah, the stereo and mono switch sums the L and R to mono. So if you are plugged into R, it should still sum so it comes out of both ears at the receiver. The receiver is pretty low on features in that it's channel select and volume.... but that's all you need really!

13 minutes ago, BigJHW said:

Awesome - i think that means this will work then - it's the LD Systems U508 IEM - so in theory i can just smash the single XLR in to the left or right channel (i'd prob put it in the wrong hole - sorry not sorry) and i'd be good to go
yes?

thanks for the help

If you did that and put the XLR into the R, you would have to run the pack in focus mode and select 100% R.

49 minutes ago, BigJHW said:

 

Can i assume that the left input on a wireless IEM transmitter is always MONO or do some manufacturers seem to force you to have 2 monitor feeds coming from the mixed or at least a splitter cable to plug in to both inputs on the transmitter?

 

Theres normally a setting on the receiver that sets it to mono or stereo. What this is doing, is take the L channel and put it on the right also. On some units, theres a focus mode, where you have two feeds in (via L and R) and you hear them both in mono - but you can blend the mix of the source coming in. (so you could your bass on L and the band mix on R... and then you could say put your bass as 60 % and the band at 40%. (the mix would be mono and being delivered to both your left and right ear)

Two additions to the front - Series/Parallel switch and a kill switch button.

Obviously, measure for the correct size...

https://www.accu.co.uk/lightweight-round-ribbed-inserts/582828-HRLRI-10-11-5-PE?uk_google_shopping=1&c=3&gclid=CjwKCAjwiOCgBhAgEiwAjv5whPvJcaHkK7mVHcScNti4yPHJl4h27jbf9VdHvn7p9IZUiPB5UK1Y8hoCZ-IQAvD_BwE

Or, dowels, sand flat and apply appropriate Goonies sticker.

Hi @Mike Brooks- just checking out your affiliate links. Be wary when you cut and copy it can truncate and just leave you with some ...s on the end that leaves you with broken links.

On 11/03/2023 at 17:23, Al Krow said:

I managed to source a pair of new 732A Mk4s for our band at a reasonable price with the assitance of @Pirellithecat, so I owe him an A/B comparison of my 912A vs the 732A.

The 732A are about 40% dearer, but as @EBS_freak mentioned, the 3" horn provides a significant step up for vocals and mids over the 1" horn on the 912A in terms of articulation and power. If you can afford the extra then I think it's going to be well worth it. 

 

Link to a sound test comparison 912A vs 732A Mk4

 

Im saying nothing.

10 minutes ago, mrtcat said:

Myself and the guitarists usually go for a wander around the dancefloor mid song when there's a big guitar solo. Absolutely kills my soul when we vacate the stage and some drunken woman jumps up and starts trying to sing into my mic. She can't hear herself as its a silent stage so she just screams louder. I like my vocals to be loud in my in monitor mix so it can be utterly deafening. 

http://orchid-electronics.co.uk/Mic_Mute_lite.htm

Suspect that you are clipping on summing. Roll back your aux sends on each channel by the same amount.

9 minutes ago, fleabag said:

I'm very green regarding IEM's , but most of my reading has revealed that we can have  more than just 1 receiver body pack per transmitter  ?

In the analogue world, yes.

Eh?

I think I understand what you are saying.

One to one, not one to many.

Yes - it's radio. But payload is used to transmit digital packets, so when you connect, it could be a case that it negotiates a one to one connection. Certainly you can't do multiple connections with ULXD (granted thats not IEM though (wireless mic system)).

That also offers a encrypted/non encrypted connection... however, I believe the peering is negotiated to lock in a pairing.

1 hour ago, fleabag said:

Thanks EB, i can live with it i reckon. 

 

 

I'd wager you'll be OK. When you are gigging - and certainly when everybody is playing, you probably wont notice it. And you'd still probably take it as it will still be more clear and have all the IEM advantages over using a traditional monitor.