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Any positive or negative experiences with this? Bonus points if you have already had experience with the regular pro co rat 2

9 hours ago, Paddy Morris said:

I'm a bit late to this one.  I got a gnome to use with 2 Barefaced cabs.  Super Mini T and Big Baby 3.

 

It's very good, very clean, plenty loud enough.   But the EQ frequencies don't really suit the cabs, and at low a volume practice the fan is a bit noisy.   I also ordered an Elf on that basis that I would keep the amp I preferred and sell the other.  But when, after 4 months it was still on back order with BAX, I cancelled.

 

I just took delivery today, of a Genzler Magellan 350, and it's absolutely awesome.  Just immediately clean and musical.  The tone shaping is incredibly flexible, and I now think my entire pedalboard is going to be redundant.

I’ve actually just picked up a second hand rig: a genzler Magellan 350 and a Barefaced two10. It sounds awesome at home and I’m looking forward to trying it at gigs over the next two weekends. 
 

I really like the EQ section and contour knobs on the Genzler, I think the orange contour channel is going to be really handy in a live setting.

Just now, warwickhunt said:

I might be missing something but you could be over thinking it. 

 

If you go bass into the Sansamp and then out to your amp, you have two sounds available; Sansamp off and you have your amp tone, Sansamp on and you have Sansamp + bass amp

 

Alternatively plug your bass into your amp, put the preamp into your amp effects loop and you have 2 sounds.

 

Either of these options give you the same outcome that you were trying to achieve in your OP... yes/no? 

Yes. I have massively overthought this 😅

thank you

4 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

that depends on the bass amp's effect loop. Mine is series so that wouldn't work. Parallel would. 

Ah I hadn't considered that!

Take two outputs from the pedal and put them into the same amp:

OUT - (affected tone) into the return of the effects loop and into the power amp
PARALLEL OUT - (unaffected tone) into the input of the amp so it goes through the pre amp of the bass amp itself

I run this pedal at the end of my board, so I wondered if it could be a way of blending two different preamp sounds through one amp (utilising the preamp of the pedal AND the preamp in the bass amp)? 

Ah man, if only you were closer!
Leeds is a bit too far to travel for me (I'm based in North Kent), otherwise I'd be all over it!. 

Have you ever used this on it's own in a rock setting without PA support? I'm quite interested in one of these but just wondering if it's up to the task...

Does anyone know how this compares to the Peavey mini max Mk2?
Both ~£350, both 600W....
They seem like great options for lightweight powerful heads, which is exactly what I'm after...

1 minute ago, Dood said:

 

Have you had a chance to check out any of my video reviews for some of those? Maybe they'll help? Ask me if you have any questions, it's all cool. There's loads of other reviews I have done that aren't in the list that got "lost" by the magazine I was working for at the time. So ask as I may have some experience.

I’ve checked as many videos online of these things as I can find but I think I just want to hear them myself tbh. My pedal board and playing style will be different to whoever is demoing the gear so I’d like to have first hand experience with this stuff if possible.

2 hours ago, markbunney said:

Just FYI GAK have moved their bass department to the upstairs of the next door shop and they didn’t have a huge amount of space, or bass gear when I last went a few months ago

Ah! Thanks for the heads up. I will call in advance to see what they have in.

14 hours ago, Dan Dare said:

Would it be worth taking a day's holiday from work and going somewhere such as Bass Direct to try a range of gear? Go in the week when the shop is quiet and you can try stuff to your heart's content. I did that several years ago when I was not sure what upgrade route to take and found it very helpful. It was also costly because I bought an expensive new toy, but I haven't regretted it because I was able to compare quite extensively, so don't suffer from "What if I had bought X? Would it have been better?"

I am thinking of doing this one day in March, potentially go to Brighton and visit both GAK and the Barefaced HQ and try as much as I can! 

Hello bass players!

Are any of you based in North Kent? Can I try your rig!?

I'm looking to get a new amp and am struggling to find shops that have the gear I’m interested in to try it out. I wondered if it would be possible to meet up with some of my local bass player buddies on this forum to try their gear out.

I’m looking to get a lightweight head with 200-600W and some light weight 10 or 12 inch speaker cabs to pair with it (either 210, 112 or 212). Some of the gear I’ve seen Online that interests me includes: 

cabs

-barefaced two10s or supertwin

- orange obc112

- Ashdown 112 or 210 evo lightweight stuff
 

amps

- trace Elliot elf

- peavey minimax mk2

- Ashdown ant

- orange little bass thing/terror bass

- Warwick gnome series 

I’m equally open to trying other products that fit the criteria of lightweight portable things that don’t break the bank, so if there’s something that you think I should check out that isn’t on this list please get in touch.

So…if you’re in the area (I am based in Gravesend) and happy to make a new bass friend please let me know and maybe we can arrange a bass play date some time 🤘😁🤘

I had a Quick Look at those suggestions of tecamp, but as you say, a little over my budget sadly. 

The Warwick gnome I pro 600W and the Ashdown Ant seem to be the front runners for me. Both similar in price and within budget.

the ant is slightly smaller and lighter so it could fit on my pedal board (extra portability points), but then for only ~£20 extra the Warwick seems to have more features - 4 band EQ, effects loop (so I could use it just as a light weight 600W power amp by going through the return), two speaker outputs, aux input, higher power rating, I’m not sure I need the usb interface feature but hey!

41 minutes ago, eude said:

What about the Warwick Gnome iPro 600?

By all accounts it's fairly flat response, 600w and can be found for about £350.

I don't think it's any bigger than a MarkBass LittleMark too, likely a bit smaller.

I’ve seen that one and thought it looked like it might fit the bill! Have you tried one?

7 minutes ago, MichaelDean said:

I had an early PF500 and it never let me down. Didn't feel particularly light to me though. Might be because I had it mounted to the fliptop 210 cabinet though. 

 

Having played through a bunch of amps at the South West Bass Bash into one of @stevie's LFSys cabs, I found the Gnome was quite bright, the TC BAM was more neutral and the Elf was a bit darker and more scooped. I think of those, I'd have gone for the BAM. I could quite easily get an approximation of the other two from the TC. I'd like to try the BQ and BH ranges as well to see what they're like. 

 

I've heard the MiniMax MK2 has the fan noise sorted... This seems like a good deal.

 

Do you need an effects loop? Have you ever used one on an amp you've had? I know I'm guilty of having coveted that option, but I've still never tried the 4 cable method with my bass. Only my skinny stringer. 

I probably don't need an effects loop - not for effects at least. An effects loop could be a 'nice to have' so that the amp could be used as a power amp only by plugging directly into the return of the loop rather than the input on the amp. If the amp sounds fine and relatively transparent so that my pedal board tones come through, then I don't need an effects loop. 

The ashdown ant has me very intrigued....

Hi BassChat gear nerds!

I'm looking at creating a lightweight gigging rig. I've got my eyes set on a barefaced two 10s and want to pair it with something small and light. I only play small gigs (pubs mostly) without PA support so don't think I need anything with particularly high wattage, and I'd expect that something 200-500W through a barefaced cab would be PLENTY loud enough. Most of my sound comes through my pedal board so I really only need an amp with basic functions and a reasonable EQ to help adjust to different rooms if necessary. I thought about going for the power amp setup as I run a pre amp DI pedal at the end of my board, but I've read lots of stuff about this and it seems like it'd be a more expensive way of doing and potentially more faff if the line signal from my preamp isn't enough for the power amp, so I think a simple, small amp would do the job (worst case I can just plug into the effects loop return and use the mini head as a power amp only). 

I probably want to keep the budget for this head to <£400.  I've looked at lots of heads online and vwondered if anyone had any good/bad experiences with any of the following:
Orange little bass thing (I wonder if this could potentially could colour the sound a lot, and lots of people say the notched volume knobs are a pain)
Peavey minimax Mk2 - can't find a lot about this but the Mk one had lots of complaints about a really noisy fan
Ampeg PF 500/350 - historically I feel like you hear that these broke a lot...have ampeg resolved these issues now?
Warwick gnome/Trace elliot elf/Ashdown Ant - I'd have thought these would meet the basic requirements but I wonder if would I be better off spending more on something slightly bigger/more Wattage/more controls, outputs, effects loops etc

Anything else I should check out...let me know!

EDIT: I have now purchased a second hand barefaced two10 and Genzler Megallen 350. It’s sounding awesome at home and I’ve got two gigs coming up over the next two weekends so I’m gonna give the new rig a proper test run soon! Thanks for all the comments/suggestions folks 🤘😁🤘

3 minutes ago, BassmanPaul said:

I'd never even try to gig with a single 2x10. There again I'm more old school in that I prefer a pair of 2x10s in a vertical 4x10 stack for safety and durability. That configuration is also more readily heard by both player and out in the room.

 

I wouldn’t have thought I could gig with one 2x10 either…. But people rave about these barefaced two10s being loud and having amazing projection, and being comparable to a 4x10…. Hence the original question in this post.

1 barefaced two10 vs two 2x10s of other brands

The rig I’m thinking of saving up for is an orange little bass thing Into a barefaced two10s - both products often get reviewed as being very loud so I’m hoping that I can play in my (relatively loud) pub band with this one cab, light head, portable setup! 

On 12/11/2021 at 13:25, javi_bassist said:

Hello guys! I have a question. I am considering this amp or the Terror Bass. I'm not sure about this one since it doesn't have input gain and I have basses with a lot of output and some with very low output. How do you guys see the amp with different basses? (I don't switch basses during a show, but I'm concerned that my jazz bass doesn't have enough output or that my other bass could clip the amp).

I am also considering the terror bass and the little bass thing. Did you pick one over the other in the end? Keen to know pros and cons of using each…

This has all been very helpful, thanks everyone. 
it confirms what I suspected to be honest, save up for the barefaced option!

I'm in the process of thinking about a new amp/cab setup. I don't have an amp sorted yet but I'm thinking something~500W, lightweight and portable. In terms of cabs, I'm thinking about two 2x10s or perhaps one of these highly regarded barefaced cabs. The rig would be used in a pub band, predominantly classic rock covers - but I'd like something that could handle being in a metal band should that opportunity present itself down the line as that's something I used to do and miss quite a lot. 

I've never tried one, but the barefaced cabs often talk about how good their dispersion is and how loud their little cabs are when compared to cabs of the same size from other brands (and even compared to bigger cabs from other brands)... but I'm wondering if I can get just as good of an outcome with two more affordable 2x10s? Peavey Headliner 210s are about £210 new, Eden EX210 are about £300 ....but a barefaced two10s is £699. 

Should I just save my money and get the higher quality product, or should I go more affordable, get 2 cabs which might allow more versatility and save £100-200 overall?!
 

1 hour ago, chris_b said:

If your guitarists have gone bat-stinky poo crazy and you need to join in that game, the minimum I'd go for would be an 800 watt amp and a quality 212.

 

Both (Genzler MG800 and Barefaced BT2) can currently be found at great prices in the BC Classifieds. You can easily stay ahead of your guitarists with that rig. 

 

More importantly, your band has started to play Russian Roulette with their, and your, hearing. The most urgent thing on your to-do list is to be measured up for ACS moulded earplugs. I'd suggest the 26dB ones.

I’ve got some of the 26dB moulded earplugs, they’re fantastic. I guess my problem is less about volume and more about clarity of hearing myself/dispersion from the cab.

That’s where my thought about stacking two 2x10s came from, to bring the sound nearer to ear level. But if a higher quality cab with better dispersion would achieve the same effect, maybe that’s the solution.

1 hour ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

One BF 210 will match or even beat many 410s, dual 210s or 212s in maximum output. It's all about displacement. https://barefacedaudio.com/pages/how-speakers-move-air-volume-displacement

Displacement is a critical spec that every bass cab should list. AFAIK BF is the only one that does.

I think the better dispersion is probably what will help in my situation, so I can hear myself better rather than just cranking the volume knob!