Delamitri79

16 hours ago, Chris2112 said:

Paul Simon's bassists must curse him for this (and also for that time around 2010 or whenever it was when he said that he was bored of bass and didn't think he'd bother with bass guitars on future albums). It's a difficult enough solo break when the whole band stops and everyone looks at the bassist, expecting the solo to finish cleanly with the band coming back in on the beat, but the 'inspiration' of reversing the first phrase to end the solo on the record created this problem. 

 

I mean, watch the video below. I think it's Armand Sabal Lecco on the bass and he blows the solo. It goes wrong very quickly and he tries to style it out to no avail. I suppose he was glad it was a short solo spot. 

 

 

 

I've seen this video and few times before and even though ASL is a phenomenal player he completely fluffs the first couple of notes and then (very quickly) turns it into a flash slap piece. 

19 hours ago, Mook said:

I had this same issue...for the count the drummer stops on the "and" of the 4 and just counts through the 2 bars. I learnt it by copying the above live video and slowing it down an mp3 of it in Ableton and it seems to work consistently now. Those pull offs coming up at the end are tough but it's quick enough that they don't make too much noise 

Your timing is bang on. That's exactly how I count it. Unfortunately the drummer I'm with seems to count it differently and we've spoken about it before and he even had the audacity to tell me, "it's a simple line and once you get it, you won't remember playing it wrong". He still comes in a half beat after me. Sounds shite 

13 hours ago, DaBassPlayer said:

can I just say, I owned this bass for about 2 days, and its even better looking AND sounding than the pics show !!

Someone should be snapping this up bigtime !

Appreciate the comments Ian. Fair play man 

Now that's gorgeous 

Bump 

It doesn't look like it but I really enjoyed it last night. 

7 minutes ago, Heathy said:

Sounds to me like he might be doing you a favour. Part of the challenge of that solo for me is coming back in with the low F on time.

Do ya know, I was kinda thinking the same 😂. Now I get that little breather to get back on that low F. I used to actually just play the octave F on the D string followed by the lower A and C notes of that riff but it'll be nice to hit back to the low F 

46 minutes ago, MGB said:

Shouldn't he just play it the way it's supposed to be instead of you trying to lock in on a mistake he makes? 

Fully agree with you. The problem is I'm the new guy and the band have been playing it "wrong" for so long now I don't they can play it right 😂

I'm just mad curious but why are ya selling it. She's a beaut 

OK I've figured out what's going wrong between me and the drummer. At the end of the 8 count he's putting in a count of 1 and then starting the verse. So effectively he's allowing a pause at the end of the solo and then the verse so the whole count is 

12341234  1  1234 and so on. Mad wrong but sure now I know what he's at ill just lock into it. 

30 minutes ago, Heathy said:

This song is an ongoing challenge for me. The latest change I am making is to stop slapping it altogether (after 30+ years, I've finally accepted that slapping is not for me). There are two bass lines in many of the verses so this allows me to take more of a best of both worlds approach.

But if I fall flat on my @rse at the next gig I'll probably change my mind again.

I hear ya chief. Its a tune that has been my nemesis for years. I'm glad to be tackling it and I'm 95% there. 

6 minutes ago, Heathy said:

I think the open notes are there (apart from the open E). I thought they were ghost notes until I slowed the track down to 50% on You Tube.

I really like the cross string approach - so thanks for posting this.

Always reassuring to me that Paul Simon's bass player messes it up live. I think it's important to remain loyal to that!

Just listened back at 50% and I think your dead right. It definitely sounds like there's a note being hit instead of a ghost note 

1 minute ago, Heathy said:

I think the open notes are there (apart from the open E). I thought they were ghost notes until I slowed the track down to 50% on You Tube.

I really like the cross string approach - so thanks for posting this.

Always reassuring to me that Paul Simon's bass player messes it up live. I think it's important to remain loyal to that!

Are ya sure the open notes are there? I'll have to slow her down again😂. I like the open note approach. It does seem a little easier playing them on the 1st half descending line but it's very tricky to keep the strings quiet if you include them in the 2nd half ascending line. 

I feel a compromise comin on 

20 minutes ago, lowdown said:

Not my transcription below, but worth showing the Drummer. It sounds like he is counting the first note of the Bass solo as one, when in fact, it starts on the upbeat of one. I have had the misfortune of depping in a band when the runaway train was doing something similar by the sound of your story.

 

The guy who transcribed the below chart has written up a little brief on how to nail it accurately.

 

Very interesting alright. I've seen this before and I think he's pretty close but not quite there. There is no open notes in the actual riff. They're ghost notes. The timing seems right though

1 hour ago, spencer.b said:

You're right , why not suggest practicing it together with a metronome running?

We're gonna run through it on Friday night. I said it to him and he maintains that I'm playing it wrong and my timing of it is off. 

45 minutes ago, SpondonBassed said:

Welcome Derek.

Say hello to Castlepollard and Mullingar for my late Mum.

Will do mate. 2 fine towns. I've played music in both of them many times 

3 hours ago, goblin said:

If you break your 1+2+3+4+ up again (think half and half again), so it's 1ee +a 2ee +a 3ee +a 4ee +a, your first note comes on the ee of the 1, the fill goes over two bars, and then everything comes back in on the nose of the 1 third bar.

Never failed me or tripped a drummer up yet

Absolutely mate. On the nose of the 1 third bar. 

Just now, blisters on my fingers said:

Yeah I would, can't see why your drummer is having a problem with it !

I dunno man but I was doubting myself then, ya know? 

Hey how's things 

I'm Derek. I'm from the Midlands of Ireland. I'm 40. Been playing 23 years. Currently playing a Musicman Stingray 5 US 2013 single H. 

I'm with a wedding band doing the general stuff (ya know). 

I love checking out all the forums and especially all the great basses for sale. 

Man if I had money I'd be broke 😂😂😂

3 minutes ago, blisters on my fingers said:

Just listened a few times and you are spot on - two bar break and then everything comes back on the beat.

Nice one mate. So you'd count it the same way as me? 

4 minutes ago, fleabag said:

I was scratching my walnut when i read the thread  title. Who the hell is al solo and why would anyone call ya that ..

 

Hans solo's half brother 😂

Just now, blisters on my fingers said:

You know the second part of the solo is the first part reversed by studio trickery ?

Not that helps with your question 😃

Cheers yeah I know about the reverse stuff alright. 

Hey folks. 

Ok I want to try and settle something between myself and the drummer. The bass solo in call me al is something that I've struggled with for a long time but lately I feel like I'm nailing it pretty well. 

This is how I'm counting it. 

1+2+3+4+1+2+3+4 with the solo starting just after the 1 beat. The verse comes back in then on the 1 of bar 3 if ya get me. 

I've listened to it hundreds of times and played it correctly over and over again and I feel I have it right. 

The problem is the drummer doesn't come back for the verse on the same beat as me. He comes in on the one after and insists I'm doing something wrong. 

Can someone please count this out for me or write it out musically or whatever way that I can count it properly 

Many Thanks 

Hey folks. I currently run bass into tuner into di into desk. Thinking of adding a compressor just to tighten levels. 

Whose using them and what ones

Cheers 

Played a wedding in the Midlands of Ireland. Gorgeous hotel and fantastic crowd.