Stylon Pilson

Nice photo! Looks absolutely fine when not zoomed in.

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I don't have a huge amount of studio experience, but from what I do have, yes it's fairly normal nowadays to do a looooot of this kind of "nudging". The end result tends to be, in my personal opinion, technically superb from a production point of view, but utterly dull to listen to. Which has the result of making the studio look good, and the performers look bad.

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I use a Sennheiser HD202 (should it be "a pair of"? Hmmm, tricky...) for everything from "silent" rehearsal to gaming. Never had an issue with them.

I feel like one of the benefits of rehearsing through headphones is that it shows up any deficiencies in your technique in great detail. Practicing in "hard mode" means that gigs are, by comparison, "easy mode".

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On Friday night we were back at a venue that we've played a couple of times before. It's a fairly nice-looking Greene King pub in a town with reputation for wealth, but the clientele can actually be a bit on the rough side. There was apparently a bit of a ruckus during our first set (around the corner, I couldn't see it), some people had to be evicted, and the room was a bit on the empty side thereafter.

We dropped the ball a bit on timings. Our drummer (who booked the gig) misread the email and we were working around a 9:00-11:30, whereas the venue wanted us to do 8:30-11:00. So we were effectively half an hour late starting, and ran over by half an hour at the end. He's sent them an email to apologise.

We were trying out a few new songs. Most worked very well, though one of them is relatively obscure and got no reaction whatsoever. We're going to give it a couple more chances, but if it's still falling flat after the third outing, then we'll probably have to kick it to the kerb.

Oh, and also, I got a cheer for the bass solo in You Can Call Me Al for the first time ever! (whispers confidentially) I'm not even very good at it.

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I'm currently in a pub covers band, so while I don't have to worry about multi-band nights and the associated trials and tribulations, I do have to lug and set up a bit more gear than I used to.

A long load-in, especially if the only possible route is directly through the midst of a throng of tipsy punter with very little spatial awareness, can be a bit annoying and contributes to making a gig "bad". But the main factor is the audience - sometimes you have a crowd that likes music, and sometimes you have a crowd who would rather be watching the sport, or doing something that doesn't involve having a live band in the room.

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13 hours ago, BrunoBass said:

Maybe... Definitely an overreaction, and as today has worn on and I’ve had time to think about it the more angry I am about how he reacted. If someone has a problem we deal with it in a mature manner. Being called a **** by a bandmate is unnecessary and unacceptable. I’m pretty easy going usually and I’m normally happy to work things like this out and move on, but being the character he is I think this will fester to the point that the continuation of the band is probably untenable. I don’t need the grief - this is supposed to be fun.

I don't understand why you're talking about the continuation of the band being untenable? Sounds like all you need is a new drummer. One who knows how to control his volume, and his temper.

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I'll be seeing Two Door Cinema Club at the Dome (yes, I know it's not technically called that, but the real name makes me cringe) on Friday night. I've actually never been to the venue before - I'm expecting the acoustics to be somewhere in the range between "unpleasantly boomy" and "inaudible mush".

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16 hours ago, JapanAxe said:

The actual gig was ok, but the few people at the pub were more interested in the rugby and/or golf than in the band.

Aw, that must have been really frustrating after all the effort you put into preparing. I hope you got paid well, at least.

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Last night we were back at the same pub where I played my first gig with this band, just over a year ago. It was another great night, with a numerous and very vocal audience by the end of the night. Load-in wasn't quite as good as last time - there were no parking spaces on the road out front, so I had to park round the back which meant carrying all my equipment through the whole pub. Fortunately it wasn't too full at 7:30 and there weren't too many obstructions. Hollow wooden stage wasn't as punishing as last time, now that I have a little camping table to put my bass amp on. As always, I EQ'd for the room primarily. I suspect that my bandmates have a tendency to get louder during the course of the evening, as I had a guy come up to me at the end of the night saying that he thought my bass should have been a bit louder. What can I say, everything sounded nicely balanced when I was stood out front during soundcheck.

I can also recommend this pub (the Maiden's Head, in Maidenhead) for those seeking alcohol free beer options. They stock Nanny State, Erdinger Alkoholfrei and Beck's Blue.

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8 minutes ago, ped said:

We plan on adding a prominent 'Mark as sold' button soon, as well as sending reminders to those with an active listing to update their ad if it's inactive for a while. Weirdly these options aren't included in standard functionality and require custom work to implement, like the location field which took us an age to work out how to do!

I wonder whether it would be beneficial to have an "on hold pending sale" status as well. Then potential buyers know that it's, to all intents and purposes, no longer available, but it's easy to make it available again if the sale falls through.

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Microphone stands are a bastard and will do everything they can to ruin your day. Both in terms of visual composition, and pulling the attention of your auto-focus.

Turn off the auto-focus assist lamp on your camera. It won't help at that distance, and will just annoy other concertgoers.

When something interesting happens, mash the shutter button like crazy. You can pick out the best moment when you get home.

Use full-manual mode. Lighting at gigs has a tendency to bounce about all over the shop, and if you're in aperture or shutter priority mode then your camera will be constantly playing catch-up.

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Here's ours:

There's a telescoping tripod stand at each end, a horizontal bar along the top (which breaks down into four sections for transportation and storage), and then the backdrop fabric itself is in three sections, each of which is folded over and secured into a loop at the top so that the horizontal bar threads through it.

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51 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've genuinely thought 'I wish I was at home with a takeaway watching the telly'.

I don't rely on the cash. It's handy, but I'd genuinely do it just for the crack.

Yeah, I once read someone say that when they were being paid for a gig, they adopted the mentality that the actual performance was free, and the cash covered everything up to the start of the first song and after the end of the last one (ie the transport, lugging gear, setting up and tearing down). Can't remember the exact source, but it's stuck with me, and it's an ethos that I've tried to hold to.

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With my current band, the responsiveness of the crowd can vary - most nights they're great, but occasionally we get a duff gig where they just don't get into it. The amount I get paid is generally the same from gig to gig.

On the occasions where we have a bad night, I consider:

• I got paid
• Last week's gig was great, and I got paid for that one too
• I like the music we play
• I like my bandmates
• I only had to travel half an hour each way (we stay fairly local)

If I didn't have all of these factors in play, then I can imagine that I'd take the bad gigs fairly hard. But with all of them combined, it's not too hard to take the rough with the smooth.

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Had a great gig last night at a venue that we were last at back in May, with an audience who were really up for it, with people dancing from the third song in the first set! This makes a nice change to the lacklustre audience last week. As I was setting up, I was initially worried that my new wireless kit was dodgy, as I was getting a huge amount of white noise coming through it. Eventually I figured out that I just hadn't plugged the patch cable in all the way! Doh!

We had some technical issues during the first set, with sudden and terrifying feedback. I'm quite disappointed by my keyboard player, who was stood closest to the mixer, but seemed in no hurry to pull the faders down, rather standing there like some sort of dazed aquatic animal. The rest of us scrambled to diagnose it - I gave the lead singer my spare mic, as the feedback seemed to be being triggered when he spoke into his. Problem continued. I then gave him my spare mic lead - same. Tried a different channel on the PA - same. Eventually turning down the monitor volume fixed it. My suspicion is that the volume knob on his floor monitor got bumped and turned up a bit. The numbers in the room had (unsurprisingly) dwindled somewhat during the feedback incident, but we won them back in over the course of the next half hour.

It was quite difficult to get a satisfactory sound in that venue. It's a fairly large room, and there's no PA support for the bass. I did what I always do, which is to go out during the room during the soundcheck (hooray for wireless) and dial in a decent tone for the audience. When I got back to the stage, it suddenly felt overly trebly, with every little string noise unbearable. I turned down the treble a bit for my own (and my bandmates') sanity, and had to accept that the bass sound would be a little suboptimal in the room. Interestingly, during the soundcheck, I also observed that the vocals initially sounded a bit muddy out front, but fine on stage, so I guess that there is something about that room that means that all the high end gets gathered on the stage and doesn't radiate well into the room. Meh.

Our rehearsal on Tuesday was clearly very productive, as a lot of the songs that previously sounded a little concerning are now much tighter. I'm still greatly worried about our performance of Don't Stop Me Now though - it's lacking some crucial energy, and I can't for the life of me put my finger on what's to blame.

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Check all of your equipment. Check that it all works, and make sure you have everything packed and ready to go well in advance. Have some sort of a system, so that when you're gathering all your stuff up at the end of the night, you'll notice if something is missing.

Make sure you're well hydrated and fed (but nothing too greasy or heavy).

Know where you're going, where you're planning to park, that sort of thing.

Have "cheat sheets" with you, but hopefully you won't need to use them.

Most importantly, smile and have a good time.

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Samson do a (now discontinued) wireless system. The "guitar" version uses the AP1 receiver, the "bass" version uses the AP1B. As far as I can see, the only difference between the two is that the AP1B has an additional "shape" option on the power switch. The specs in the manual are identical for both. Most other manufacturers' wireless systems don't seem to discriminate between bass and guitar. I posit that there is no reason not to use the AP1 (ie the non-bass variant) with bass. Can anyone think of any objection to this?

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Picking up on @rushbo's post about his sports holdall, I just want to share a little tip - it's good to keep your spares separate from the stuff you always use. I also have a sports holdall, and I subdivide the main space using "really useful boxes". The bottom layer contain my spares, and generally don't need to get touched. The top layer contains the things I do use, and get emptied out at every gig.

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53 minutes ago, stewblack said:

So, lets have it please, a Basschat list of great bands with just keys, bass and drums (singers optional, don't mind if the vocals come from the musicians or from a separate entity but no other instruments)

To me, Ben Folds Five will always be the quintessential guitarless three-piece rock band.

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Well, if they didn't notice any difference when your faux-guitar came in, then that suggests that adding a guitarist wouldn't have any noticeable effect upon what your band sounds like. Maybe you can put this theory to them?

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31 minutes ago, Unknown_User said:

It's just that after a couple of months of dissatisfaction with it we aren't getting anywhere.  I messaged him for an update yesterday after a week or two of no contact and he told me he wasn't sure what was happening but that he'd been depping for the other covers band of the band member I think is the problem.  A band I thought had already folded.  So I think that is what made up my mind that the band is probably unfortunately beyond rescuing.

Yeah, sounds the the band leader of the covers band doesn't want to be doing it any more. It may be that even if you were to suggest rebooting the band with only eager musicians, he wouldn't go for it. It may be that he wants to just play and let someone else handle the leadership role. In which case, perhaps he'd be willing to pass the leadership mantle to you, and continue in his current capacity as performer and gig-getter. Would you be interested in that?

19 minutes ago, Unknown_User said:

I've done all the running for gigs for Originals band #1 with only one hit and about twenty misses.  The one hit was excited to have us back and asked us for dates, but I couldn't get any answer about availability out of the other members.  It would help if we had some photos or a video of us playing.  Which I've mentioned several times and is filed under "good idea, let's do that some time" but we don't get together enough to sort it.

This is a really toxic situation. Normally, in an originals band, you expect most of the drive to come from the person writing the songs. I say, if the songwriter can't be bothered, then you shouldn't either. Whether you tell them or not, I think it would be most healthy for you to no longer think of yourself as being a member of this band. To be honest, it's likely that at least one of your bandmates is already in this mindset.

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I agree with most of your assessments, @Unknown_User.

The covers band seems to be circling the drain. You say that there is one member who you like and would want to keep in the band, but he has a personality clash with the band leader and is often on holiday. You need to accept that, even though you like him as a person, he's not good for your band.

If you want to rescue the covers band, you need to talk to the band leader and agree to replace both of the people who have limited availability. If you don't want to do this, then you might as well get your next covers band lined up, because this one isn't going anywhere.

A point that applies to both the covers band and Originals Band #1 - you talk about the hypothetical situation that they suddenly become more active, and you've already spread yourself too thin with commitments elsewhere. Well, this is very unlikely to happen. 90% of the time, once a band starts fading away, it continues to do so. The odds of a rejuvenation for both your covers band and Originals Band #1 are astronomical. If it does happen, then you can just say "sorry, I made alternative plans elsewhere as we were gigging and rehearsing so little - if you want to increase our activity, then you'll need to find another bass player to do it with." And if this does happen, you don't need to feel guilty about it. If a band is so fragile that the departure of the bass player causes it to fold, then there is no band - just one hardworking bass player and a bunch of half-hearted dorks.

So, in summary, I think you're doing exactly the right thing.

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I know that this thread has mostly run its course, but something occurred to me that is utterly key to this whole debate:

Test your spares periodically. Every now and then, use your backup bass/lead/amp/etc at a rehearsal just to make sure that they're all working. Spares that don't work are just useless extra weight you're carrying.

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7 hours ago, 12stringbassist said:

He made some utter howlers that the band either didn't notice or care about

Or perhaps they both noticed and cared about them, but they were being professionals about it. It's generally considered poor form to respond to a mistake by instantly turning and glaring at the person who made it.

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I've only left a band twice. The first time was in 2010. The band got a replacement bass player, and kept going, but I never went to one of their gigs. They haven't gigged in over a year so I guess they might have run out of steam.

The last time was about a year ago. It was one of those bands that never seemed to really pick up much momentum. They've done two gigs since then, and I went to the second one, where I discovered that the lead guitarist was also leaving them. If I were a betting man, I'd say that it's probably the final nail in the coffin for them.

Every other band I've been in has either stopped through consensus, or just faded away into the mists.

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