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[quote name='Matt P' timestamp='1360368228' post='1969632'] can't quite believe this thread has made it to 14 pages, (edit make that 15!) Steve, thanks for the original post i really liked it, then it all got a little silly (in both a bad and a good way) i loved the Etta James Track, it gives me goosebumps every time i hear it, Nigel/Silddx/Xilddx, I adored the Kit Richardson Track, i've ordered the EP and am listening to the download as i type this, totally amazing! i hope you're heading out on tour so I can catch you Live and buy you a Pint/Beverage of your choice as a thankyou for introducing me to an amazing artist! (the bass playing isn't half bad either ) Matt [size=2](oh and IBTL)[/size] [/quote] Hey Matt, thanks man! It's fantastic to hear you're enjoying it so much! We are thinking of getting out of London this year, in fact I may start a thread asking for venue and promoter recommendations. Thanks again mate!

[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1360356634' post='1969406'] Joel posted an apology in this thread (post 288): [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/180696-bass-guitar-magazine-editor/page__st__280"]http://basschat.co.u...r/page__st__280[/url] All credit to him for holding his hands up - took a lot of bottle to do that after all the flak that was dished out. Haven't got this month's yet, but hoepfully everything is where it should be.... [/quote] What else could he do I'm amazed there's nothing in this month's in the way of an apology. I stopped buy last year and can't even be bothered to have a flick through these days.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1360357784' post='1969442'] I think that I probably did, but in my defence I was rather pushed into it...! From a first listening of the clip you seem to be playing with the bass drum - of course what you play in between the kick drum is another thing (as long as it works)! Will have to give it another listen.... [/quote] Kick' on the 1 2 3 4 snare on 2 4 bass on the 8th note accents.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1360356581' post='1969405'] A number of points here:[list=1] [*]First of all, I don’t just play blues by any means – that’s quite a recent thing! In my time I have played many types of music (still do). Admittedly, we are generally talking about rock of one sort or another and usually based on backbeats (or shuffles, of course, for some of the blues stuff). A backbeat / shuffle tend to be the basis of most types of music that most people here listen to (but of course not all), be it rock, funk, blues or soul, etc. [*]Of course if you are not playing a backbeat a lot of what I am saying does not apply! I totally agree that you can do all things that you mention, even when playing a backbeat. You seem to be taking me very literally, not helped by that in the previous debate on this matter I seemed to be forced into a rather absolute position by people who didn’t seem to want to understand what I was trying to say! Of course you don’t have to play a note [b]every[/b] time the drummer kicks the bass drum and you can play melodically when the opportunity arises. However, I would suggest that your fallback position should be to lock into the bass drum pattern unless you have a reason not to, when playing anything with a backbeat. [*]The ‘nonsense’ that I refer to is the bag of tricks that we all have, which we reach into every now & again to hopefully provide a ‘wow’ moment to impress people (fast runs, slapping, whatever). That is all fine, but shouldn’t detract from creating a solid rhythm section. [*]I’m confused by the (pretty cool) clip that you linked to. Granted, it is not exactly a typical AC/DC type backbeat, but you appear to be locking in with the bass drum with a touch of syncopation in the middle section in what is basically a groove based around a backbeat. Sounds really solid and works really well for the track, but I can’t see how it is an ‘example of a line that's nowhere near the backbeat’ (assuming that I have got the correct link)?? [/list] [/quote] Nice post, thanks. I think you have painted yourself into the 'literal' camp, maybe you didn't explain it in a way we would understand. But that's clear now. The bass line in the clip, most of the main part of the line falls on the 'and's, between the kick and snare hits, no?

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1360350819' post='1969233'] Yep, that will be me and I would strongly suggest that should be the general starting point for any music that is based on a backbeat. Of course, like all rules it can be disregarded at will but IMO that should be the fallback position. For me, the drums and bass should work together as a unit and provide a foundation for the vocals and chordal / lead instruments. One of the nicest compliments I ever received wasn’t someone telling me how impressive my individual bass playing was. It came from a very talented guitarist & vocalist who is reasonably well known and who does sessions in London (Jake Newman has mentioned on here working with him) as well as his own stuff and a few bands (i.e. a very good musician who knows his stuff). He sat in for a couple of tunes on a blues gig I was playing. After the gig, we were chatting and exchanging pleasantries and I mentioned that it was the drummer’s first gig with the band. He seemed genuinely surprised, so I told him that we had played together in a couple of other bands for ten years. His response was that he could tell and that we worked together well and were a really good rhythm section. That meant a lot more to me as a bass player than someone being impressed by the odd bits of nonsense you sometimes throw in!! [/quote] I'm delighted for you Pete. However, there is more to music than blues and backbeats. You can orchestrate bass in millions of ways, as the song requires, even ones with backbeats. I love writing lines with loads of space, or sustained notes I can play with using effects and volume swells and bends and stuff. I see bass as architectural. If the drummer's kicking a good backbeat, you can syncopate and make space glow. You can create new rhythms with interplay with the drummer, or accentuate part of the beat with accents. Good taste and understanding the emotional intent of the words and voice, and feeling the song is the key to getting this right I think. I have to play good ol pumping electro dance bass lines with one band, lines written by someone else. They are fairly straight but I f*** about with them onstage, I leave spaces and play off beat or in triplets, throw in little bits of bass architecture, all what I feel would make me go 'f***in hell!' and want to dance. The drums keep the beat well enough and me and the drummer bugger about a bit together and follow each other outside the straight recorded versions. None of it is intended as nonsense, it creates energy and the crowd feed off that I believe. We certainly go down very well and people dance. This is a decent example of a line that's nowhere near the backbeat with the band I mentioned above [url="https://soundcloud.com/silddx/london-zulu-may-2012-umlhalho"]https://soundcloud.c...y-2012-umlhalho[/url]

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360350860' post='1969234'] Corrected - It seems to be an attitude fairly unique to this country. It's as if bands here have a 'Use by' date. Not sure what you mean, but you should try being in the band. Absolutely not embarrassed to admit that I love The Carpenters, and Karen's voice in particular. Would you believe that I consider myself a bit of a rocker(?) [/quote] NO-ONE should ever be ashamed of loving The Carpenters. Karen had the most wonderful voice, it was so rich, so open, so heart-destroyingly f***ing gorgeous.

For me there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure, if I like it I like it and I'm never ashamed to say so. I even got the Pixie Lott album, there are a couple of really good numbers on it, but the rest really ain't happening for me.

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1360339153' post='1968990'] Yeah, i can dig it! When i was 15 i probably thought like that. But i learned pretty quick. I'm lucky that all the muso's i've worked with recently apart from the last drummer, [b]always think musically and not instrumentally.[/b] [/quote] That really is the only way isn't it.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1360338428' post='1968975'] Well if he was grownup then it wasn't me. I think that style of playing is all well and good as a starting off point but as people progress as players it becomes far more interesting to look at different rhythm patterns. [/quote] [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1360338190' post='1968969'] Grown up musician? What is this, that of you speak?! [/quote] Grown up as in an experienced gigging and recording musician. I actually think a lot of people get given a song and think 'what am I going to do with the bass?' instead of 'what am I going to do with the music?'

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1360337245' post='1968931'] Depends what effect you are going for I suppose. In some styles of music that could work, but it seems to be making music a prison rather than a playground. Why make up rules where there need be none? [/quote] Exactly!

[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1360335927' post='1968895'] I agree. I honestly think the whole 'lock in with the drums' advice that beginners get is pretty bad advice and because so many bass players repeat it, they think it's forbidden to do anything else. I would say that regardless of what instrument you're playing, your first job to make the vocals sound as good as possible. [/quote] I remember a grown up musician on here (can't remember who) saying pretty much every note on the kick drum should be covered by a bass note. I honestly couldn't comprehend why anyone would believe that. Bizarre

[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1360333284' post='1968819'] I don't really have a final bass part until we've got final vocals. Even then my part might change in the future if we change the arrangement or add more vocals or whatever - what I'm playing is often a reaction to what everyone else is doing so it's never really set in stone. As for complexity and how challenging it is; the challenge for me is usually finding something nice enough to keep me interested, and something that improves the impact of the vocals, and sits in whatever space is available but without drawing too much attention to itself. I've got pretty good at it over the years I think. I don't get accused of over-playing any more. [/quote] That's almost exactly how I approach bass lines with Kit. It works really well generally. Playing to the vocal is my thing, playing to the drums is most definitely not as important to me as designing lines that support the vocal. I like to let the drums have a lot of space, I like to hear them shine.

When you are given a new song to write a line for, how quickly do they usually come to you. How do you go about the process of writing your lines? Do your lines get changed?

This especially for Inti [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLKp2NFcLI[/media]

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1360269892' post='1967927'] good post Mcnach. this thread did make me miss the big beef chief just a little. [/quote] BBC would probably have unmanned him swiftly and got banned again. BBC made a lot of sense most of the time, they are not alike.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1360270017' post='1967931'] The BBC versus Antiloco would sell a lot of tickets I think. [/quote]

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1360268999' post='1967906'] Yep, he's getting antagonistic elsewhere on the site - quite unbelievable. [/quote] Well he's getting about three profile views a minute at the moment so I'm obviously about to employ him as Kit's social media marketing director.

Wow

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1360262047' post='1967746'] I never figured out how to pronounce silddx. I'm doubly confused now. [/quote] It's pronounced /kənt/

[quote name='jackers' timestamp='1360256736' post='1967570'] when is the new EP out? [/quote] We are in the middle of planning a launch show at Bush Hall in London on the 28th April so that's effectively the release date. I'll unsubtly make everyone on Basschat aware of that when the time comes Thanks again mate, it's very gratifying.

[quote name='jackers' timestamp='1360253345' post='1967469'] to change direction slightly, I just wanted to say that I love Kit's new single Nige and the video made me smile. Just wonderful [/quote] Oh that's so nice to hear! Thanks mate!

[quote name='benthos' timestamp='1360252904' post='1967457'] Yes, that's it. Apocryphal perhaps, but supposedly originated from the needs of pet food manufacturers to prove the quality of their product. [/quote] Into the fray, Benthos.

[quote name='Antiloco' timestamp='1360252469' post='1967443'] Not really. [/quote] That genuinely made me laugh

[quote name='Antiloco' timestamp='1360251687' post='1967424'] Didn't see much reasoning there, mostly just another dose of " Basschat politeness" [/quote] Inti mate, why do you react so defensively? You are an interesting person, why can't we all have a conversation without provoking eachother into puerile reactive rubbish. And I know you're not the only one doing it, but really, can't you try to rise above it a little so we can talk without taking offence?

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1360251469' post='1967412'] Not exactly the way Steve thought his thread was going to turn out I imagine. It could do with deleting tbh, it's not a good advert for Basschat, it just looks like a lot of childish bickering. [/quote] Really? :S It's not a good advert for people's reactions maybe, but it's interesting nonetheless.